I like equal risk PvP... generally just called multiplayer and not found in most MMOs. All things being equal, i love the competion... but in a game that is level and gear based, where fights are very seldom evenly matched, I'd just prefer to skip it.

The fact that you cant attack me unprovoked in some areas of the game world does not mean you can't PvP all you want. There is room for both types of player in the game.... most people that throw around the word carebear just want to remove my option to play the way I want... although it generally does not affect their ability to play the way they want.

If you have played DAoC, you will know that they have open battlegrounds in that game... where you can gank unaffiliated noobs all day if you want to... but they also have areas for me to play in, where I can go about my business without worrying about you slitting my throat as I talk to a quest giver.

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Originally posted by Zerogenum
I don't know. I like risky PvP makes it worth it.

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Maybe a perma-death server for you! As has already been said in street fighter you don't invest time and effort in your character.

On a similar note, I play pvp and love it. But I'm from that rare old school pvp group, where the idea of ganking some low level just trying to quest, doesn't appeal to me. As with corpse camping etc, if I kill you I'll take what I can and leave you alone. I remember when pvp was full of respect - from the early days of AO. Now you tend to get alot of players pvping just for kills and grief and this gives genuine old skool pvp'ers a bad name.

I really hope AoC get it right, and from what I have read it seems they will.

Good god, if you don't want to lose any of your hard earned equipment or "play-time" when you die simply don't play.

Why should every good game that comes out have to cater to people who can't handle a few setbacks. Open PvP here we come.

Originally posted by siftified

Good god, if you don't want to lose any of your hard earned equipment or "play-time" when you die simply don't play.

Why should every good game that comes out have to cater to people who can't handle a few setbacks. Open PvP here we come.

Originally posted by Zerogenum
Because this is the age of conan! not the age of national security!


Come on seriously when your friend whoops you at Street Fighter a lot, is he\she griefing you?



THis is after all an age where "No man, woman, beast you can trust. This steel this you can trust"


Its got every reason to be this way ;D!

Originally posted by Eatten

Originally posted by siftified

Good god, if you don't want to lose any of your hard earned equipment or "play-time" when you die simply don't play.

Why should every good game that comes out have to cater to people who can't handle a few setbacks. Open PvP here we come.

i dont mind the pvp anyone but like in shadowbane you will have the people who are max level and gank the low level 20 characters that dont stand a chance one hit and they are dead then they are looted and cant even afford to fix their armor which you just broke. yes that is fun for the guys who are able to max but how about the poor saps who are trying to reach the end game. basically all ganking does is force people into guilds i think pvp is good buy when you are 20+ levels ahead what is the point?

I like that idea. The problem of getting attacked and killed by a player you never even had a chance of defeating is an important one to address. There needs to be some means of protection of lower level players from excessively higher ones. It is only a game as long as there is that chance of winning.

Originally posted by Eatten
why do people want pvp looting so bad you cant go get the item yourself?

Why do people steal? Sure they could go out and work ages to get what they want, or they could go the easier yet more risky route of taking it from someone else.  Now you have the item and the person who worked for it doesn't. You are now a wanted criminal. Have fun running about trying not to get tossed in jail.

The same idea should apply to open pvp. If you murder a random person and take their stuff then you are now wanted. Any place with a guard will get you arrested, thrown in jail, and the item you stole or cash value of it taken away and returned to the original owner. I personally would love to have open pvp with item looting. Just make it so that the risk is worth the reward.

Player A works to complete a quest and get a nice item. Player B murders Player A in cold blood and loots said item. Player A reports Player B to the nearest guard and has a warrant put out for his arrest. Player B can no longer go into cities with guards for a set period of time. Player C checks wanted poster and goes in search of Player B. Player C finds Player B and engages him/her in combat. Player C kills Player B and removes the stolen item + a few of Player B's items. Player C returns the stolen item to a guard and it is mailed to Player A. Player C may receive a reward, although I would prefer to see the reward as the items taken from Player B. If Player B had been able to avoid being caught/killed for a set period of time his warrant would go away. Say two or three PLAYED days. Timer doesn't go down when logged off.

That'd be my ideal game setting right there. Sure you can murder someone and take their stuff; just dont expect it to be easy.

Originally posted by Zerogenum
I don't know. I like risky PvP makes it worth it.

The problem is that REAL Pk'rs take little to no risk and rarely get burned. These REAL PK'rs have no consequences to there actions.... at least in most games. Now, If you killed an X amount of players and you became KOS to guards  and or certain factions ...I might be for it.

 More times than not a free for all system gets exploited to hell and back by griefers and gankers. I dont mind, FFA is fun most of the time. Its just the select few that end up ruining the whole experience.

Ffa pvp makes you cautious and you must be always allerted because u will not be prepered and thats make it more interesting and will help pvpiers to become better and better without loosing thrilling emotion of unwaited attack ,also it makes it less boring.

Looting will also add some more pation to players that they dont want to loose an item also they must learn to cooperate (for siege battles and guild versus guild) and not run where ever anyone like without afraid of loosing something, for example if you didnt had premaid in wow you had a very bad experience of no cooperation and still some free honnor without doing anything to help others .So with looting ,chicken players or afk players will have an extra motive .