Originally posted by Czzarre

I think some of the biggest problems is that players have become so jaded that once they form their opinion, they are incapable of stepping back and trying to look objectivly.

They stating that AoC is Polished - Wrong
You Stating that AoC is terrible - Also wrong

The real answer lies in between, the vast majority of the AoC playerbase (the ones who dont frequent the forums) say "AoC is a Decent game" ...not the next diety of online gaming and not the biggest failure of all time...just a decent game

When you say majority of Playerbase, do you mean the ones still playing?  Or the majority that has quit the game?

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I don't think that the Funcom guy is lying about anything. They had a great patch that made the difference between a disaster and a success. I witnessed it myself, and noone can change my mind about that. It was the most surprisingly good patch I've ever seen in an MMO. After that, they had a smooth launch. The game was totally playable and enjoyable. Launch is not about end game sieges and loot. Launch is about the first weeks of gameplay. And AoC got that right. They sold in huge numbers, and they got great reviews from media all over the world. That is a good launch. Bad launch was AO. Bad launch was VG. Unplayable games, low sales.

 

You might be packed in this forum trolling and hating, but it is always like that. Same thing will happen with WAR and AION. People that don't like a game are moving on, people that like it are playing it, bored people come here and start a crusade against a company. Whining is a very exhilarating activity anyway, I do it all the time. But that does not make me lose connection with reality. Sad truth for you Anti-FC crusaders.

That's coming from a guy totally connected to reality: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187806 Your king is pretty much naked... Sad truth for you FC crusader!!!

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I don't think that the Funcom guy is lying about anything. They had a great patch that made the difference between a disaster and a success. I witnessed it myself, and noone can change my mind about that. It was the most surprisingly good patch I've ever seen in an MMO. After that, they had a smooth launch. The game was totally playable and enjoyable. Launch is not about end game sieges and loot. Launch is about the first weeks of gameplay. And AoC got that right. They sold in huge numbers, and they got great reviews from media all over the world. That is a good launch. Bad launch was AO. Bad launch was VG. Unplayable games, low sales.

 

You might be packed in this forum trolling and hating, but it is always like that. Same thing will happen with WAR and AION. People that don't like a game are moving on, people that like it are playing it, bored people come here and start a crusade against a company. Whining is a very exhilarating activity anyway, I do it all the time. But that does not make me lose connection with reality. Sad truth for you Anti-FC crusaders.

The god damn stats didn't work, crafting didn't work. Yes, Tortage did work but that is because the last days of closed beta were all about fixing Tortage to make it as bug free as possible. Remember the part where people were getting stuck in the Field of The Dead? That was one of the things that were ignored during the last days of beta.

Their whole thing was to make Tortage as problem free as possible because they knew that reviewers will base most of their reviews on the first 20 levels. With that they succeeded. I don't know what they were hoping for once people reach level 20, maybe they were hoping that the game will magically fix itself, but after level 20 the game turns to crap.

Funcom from the outset should have realized that to compete in an MMO market where a game like WOW is dominating and will continue to dominate, they need a better quality product than what WOW was when it released. I'm told LOTRO was a pretty fun and polished game but still couldn't compete with WOW. Someone should make a list to see how many MMOs have failed where WOW has succeeded.

I'll say it again:

The miracle patch was just removal of effects/animations etc and lowering the amount of players in each instance. Plus the removal of the debugger.

ie. mostly a panic patch.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Funcom from the outset should have realized that to compete in an MMO market where a game like WOW is dominating and will continue to dominate, they need a better quality product than what WOW was when it released. I'm told LOTRO was a pretty fun and polished game but still couldn't compete with WOW. Someone should make a list to see how many MMOs have failed where WOW has succeeded.

I actually think it would be a intresting study to see why some games become hits while others dont.  Even if they are offering the same "quality".   PPL can try to talk about WOW like a nub version of MMOs.  But its still THE MMO that has had more players than ALL other MMOs put together.  Or very close to it.   So maybe WOW should be in a diffrent catagory than MMOs.   Or maybe we should not talk about games like LOTRO and AOC as MMOs?   I dunno.   What I do know is that I hate LOTRO for 3 basic reasons. 

a)  The moral system.  How stupid can you get playing music in combat....

b)  Animations  - just really bad in so many aspects

c) UI - Worst ever.

And then you might see what I like about WOW compared to LOTRO.

does not matter. the game is dropping off the sales charts now. Xfire shows people deserting it in droves. Servers will be ghost towns in 2 or 3  months once the hard core fanbois see that FC can't put their coding where their mouths are. I saw the same thing happen to Dark and Light and Vanguard. Realists say "this game sucks" fanbois pray the devs will fix it. Same old story, different game.

Originally posted by silkworm

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I don't think that the Funcom guy is lying about anything. They had a great patch that made the difference between a disaster and a success. I witnessed it myself, and noone can change my mind about that. It was the most surprisingly good patch I've ever seen in an MMO. After that, they had a smooth launch. The game was totally playable and enjoyable. Launch is not about end game sieges and loot. Launch is about the first weeks of gameplay. And AoC got that right. They sold in huge numbers, and they got great reviews from media all over the world. That is a good launch. Bad launch was AO. Bad launch was VG. Unplayable games, low sales.

 

You might be packed in this forum trolling and hating, but it is always like that. Same thing will happen with WAR and AION. People that don't like a game are moving on, people that like it are playing it, bored people come here and start a crusade against a company. Whining is a very exhilarating activity anyway, I do it all the time. But that does not make me lose connection with reality. Sad truth for you Anti-FC crusaders.

 

That's coming from a guy totally connected to reality: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187806 Your king is pretty much naked... Sad truth for you FC crusader!!!

You just can't spot the irony, can you?

Originally posted by Nodaed

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Funcom from the outset should have realized that to compete in an MMO market where a game like WOW is dominating and will continue to dominate, they need a better quality product than what WOW was when it released. I'm told LOTRO was a pretty fun and polished game but still couldn't compete with WOW. Someone should make a list to see how many MMOs have failed where WOW has succeeded.

 

I actually think it would be a intresting study to see why some games become hits while others dont.  Even if they are offering the same "quality".   PPL can try to talk about WOW like a nub version of MMOs.  But its still THE MMO that has had more players than ALL other MMOs put together.  Or very close to it.   So maybe WOW should be in a diffrent catagory than MMOs.   Or maybe we should not talk about games like LOTRO and AOC as MMOs?   I dunno.   What I do know is that I hate LOTRO for 3 basic reasons. 

a)  The moral system.  How stupid can you get playing music in combat....

b)  Animations  - just really bad in so many aspects

c) UI - Worst ever.

And then you might see what I like about WOW compared to LOTRO.

Nope, not really. I can see this is you first post on the forum. Welcome to the board.

Originally posted by Jackdog

does not matter. the game is dropping off the sales charts now. Xfire shows people deserting it in droves. Servers will be ghost towns in 2 or 3  months once the hard core fanbois see that FC can't put their coding where their mouths are. I saw the same thing happen to Dark and Light and Vanguard. Realists say "this game sucks" fanbois pray the devs will fix it. Same old story, different game.

AoC is currently the 13th most popular game in Xfire. That is almost 2 months after release, and the downward slope of the curve seems to be stabilizing. Furthermore, it has almost 2 times the hours/players of EVE and 3 times those of LotRO. I think it is doing very well.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Funcom from the outset should have realized that to compete in an MMO market where a game like WOW is dominating and will continue to dominate, they need a better quality product than what WOW was when it released. I'm told LOTRO was a pretty fun and polished game but still couldn't compete with WOW. Someone should make a list to see how many MMOs have failed where WOW has succeeded.

So I guess that you consider WoW the only successful game ever made?

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Jackdog

does not matter. the game is dropping off the sales charts now. Xfire shows people deserting it in droves. Servers will be ghost towns in 2 or 3  months once the hard core fanbois see that FC can't put their coding where their mouths are. I saw the same thing happen to Dark and Light and Vanguard. Realists say "this game sucks" fanbois pray the devs will fix it. Same old story, different game.

 

AoC is currently the 13th most popular game in Xfire. That is almost 2 months after release, and the downward slope of the curve seems to be stabilizing. Furthermore, it has almost 2 times the hours/players of EVE and 3 times those of LotRO. I think it is doing very well.

Ummmm its new, hence the hours. Check back in 6 months if things continue like they are