AoC should be way better than WoW, there were some bugs and little things that went wrong in beta... but its beta, what game is perfect a month before it comes out?

AoC is a  fun well deigned game but Funcom is making too many mistakes with it's community. Ignoring the RP PVE players, refusing to come clean about the huge blunders with the Pre Order, Billing nightmares etc... They can make a decent game but can't run one worth shit.

I'll give them maybe 200k subs, then they will be struggling to keep the power on like most other MMO's. The only real competiton  WoW has is WAR,.

You can't kill WoW, they have the money to add things and are smart enough to keep adding things that people want, a bit at a time.  I expect to see things like mounted combat (they already have suitable animations in-game) player housing, and player cities all turning up in WoW ... in time, according to their careful planning. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't like WoW that much (I think level-based games lead to thin PvP and boring treadmill play).  EVE is much more engaging in the long term.  But Blizzard know how to make games that appeal to their customers, and I seriously do not expect that any game will kill WoW - because WoW will simply adapt and evolve to entice people back. 

AOC is gonna be SUPER PRO cant wait till this weekend! btw you cant kill wow they been on south park and have MR T

there may be a BIT of a dip in AoC's subs around the release of WAR and WoTLK, but they'll be back...when they realise how bored they are with auto-attack combat now. Once you've gotten used to AoC combat, nothing else compares.

OP, you write that ...
1. 600k in eary access is sold out.
2. 200k in CE is sold out.

Link from where you have gotten this number!!

Sorry, but AoC WILL NOT be a WoW killer. World of Warcraft is north of 10 million users at this point and likely will hold that for the time being. A Science Channel from last year had it at 7 million. An article I read last week put it at 10 million. With the WoW expansion coming out, adding what should be some popular content (Death Knight, smaller raid groups, mounted combat, a new land, a new faction, etc.) the numbers should stay strong. My guess is that Blizz has this thing close to ready, but will put this thing on the shelf after seeing the AoC launch and will definitely come out  before WAR (which has greater potential to hurt WoW) is released.

I don't think AoC comes anywhere close to WoW territory. The Mature rating is going to keep it out of the younger hands and likely will scare away the more conservative of the WoW customers (I know Evangelicals, ministers and other conservative type people who play WoW, but likely wouldn't touch AoC). Furthermore WoW attracted people who had never touched an MMO before, with its casual-friendly gameplay and easy to use interface. I can assure you that I know many who have tried other MMOs, but keep going back to WoW because it is so user friendly. My understanding is that WAR is going to go fairly user friendly, which could help it gain traction against WoW.

WoW, while sometimes boring, tedious, repetitive, etc. set the standard for MMOs. With the numbers the game has, Blizz IS doing something right. Those numbers will remain high until some other company either creates a true clone, puts a WoW feel on a deeper AoC like game, or unti Blizz comes up with something new.

But, as I said, AoC will not be a WoW killer. It will have a nice customer base, if it can work out some of the PR from this launch. It very well could put itself in position as a #2 or #3 (behind WAR) in the MMO space.

Originally posted by Diekfoo

<blockquote><i>Originally posted by D3mis3</i>
<br><b><p>I'm being serious. This game may truly be the WoW killer. Not now, but in a course of a few years. Think about it</p>
<ul>
<li>600,000 early access slots - ALL SOLD OUT</li>
<li>All 200,000 or so CE - SOLD OUT</li>
<li>1 million have applied for beta</li>
<li>Better graphics, better combat - AoC leads the way for next-gen MMOs; WoW users may become tired of raiding/graphics during the next few years and switch</li>
<li>WoW loses servers - AoC gains more servers</li>
<li>This generation seems to be a lot about graphics and word of mouth advertising - perfect, AoC has excellent graphics</li>
</ul>
<p>AoC is just exploding in sales. To what I've read, pre-orders are up to 800,000. Almost 1 million  subs in the first day of release. Now imagine how the game will expand? Call me a sceptic, but I truly believe this game is <strong>The One</strong>.</p></b></blockquote>
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You write that ...
1. 600k in eary access is sold out.
2. 200k in CE is sold out.

Link from where you have gotten this number!!

it's all over the internet....take a look around.

Originally posted by D3mis3

Originally posted by Mordria

Oh no no... apparently (from what  I've heard on these forums) it's not good.

We should go play checkers.

From what you;ve read (and I read them too) most people on the forums either are fanboys, people asking for computer advice, or trolls who hated the open beta because it wasn't perfect (despite being a stress test). I've read lots of forums and most of the "average gamer who wants AoC" gamers are not on the AoC forums whining or praising like it's Jesus. Sale numbers don't lie - this game has become one of the top 5 best selling MMOs in a matter of weeks.

If you say sale  numbers matter on how good the game is or how much better one game is then it will still be wow 10mil+(and growing) to aocs 1mil+(and growing)..thus you just said wow>aoc.

Give me a link if it is that easy. I havnt found anyone yet.

What we know is AoC have had
1. 5 million unique visitors on AoC homepage since newyear.
2. 1 million applied for beta
3. over 700k unique visitors last week.

But I havnt seen the other figures.

Yeah, but I betcha the preorders for WoW: Wrath of the Lich King are well north of anything that Age of Conan says. My guess is WotLK presells way, way more.

In the beginning I thought that AoC will sell something like a half million copies since it was so   pvp centric. It looks like it will sell much better than that.

But it isn´t a WoW killer. At best it and Warhammer combined will stop WoW to grow and even decline a bit. Too truly kill WoW it will require that Blizzard releases WoW 2 and screws it up.

Originally posted by Trowar

In the beginning I thought that AoC will sell something like a half million copies since it was so   pvp centric. It looks like it will sell much better than that.

But it isn´t a WoW killer. At best it and Warhammer combined will stop WoW to grow and even decline a bit. Too truly kill WoW it will require that Blizzard releases WoW 2 and screws it up.

Maybe who knows, But not one person on this site or any site will know how aoc will really be,  They can say whatever they want to sell a game. I have nothing bad to say about aoc, just annoying how everytime a new mmo comes out it will be thw wow killer. wow doesnt need to die its simple if u dont like it dont play it. And who knows WAR might be the aoc killer.