Originally posted by templarga

Shady? Its word for word in a press release. A press release that  was on their website and supposedly in an e-mail too. Period! Now more simple can it be.

No, not in email.

Its a single word hidden within a HUGE wall of text. And this single word can be interpreted in many ways.

You foundation here is baseless.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by templarga

 

Notice the word  CHANCE. There ya go. Done and done.

 

  Thats an awful amount of value placed in semantics which don't even fit the structure of the sentence it was pulled from.  I could also say that buying a plane ticket to france offers you the 'chance' to see the Eiffle Tower...but I don't think you would read that as "Only the first 500 flyers get to go see it".  The way chance is used in that sentence denotes the same meaning as "opportunity" or "ability".   Yes, it still carries with it the mild notion that such a thing MAY not happen...but its done so in a way which indicates that this is not the norm.

  But, hell, we can argue semantics all day.  I'm quite good at it, really.  The trouble is that NONE of such discussion is going to remove the fact that someone lied to the retailers, and that they, by extension, lied to consumers.

No if you said that I would take it as I have a chance and a possibility. When I think of chance I think of the lottery or gambling. I have a very very small window of opportunity to do something that most likely will not happen.

The point is Funcom has never guaranteed anyone a spot in early access. Many assumed that they were guaranteed a spot for many different reasons. I have shown where Funcom says word for word that we have a chance to get into early access. Now show me where it says VERBATIM that you are guaranteed a spot.

Even so, it is still a stretch to say Funcom is scamming people. Miscommunication, yes. A deliberate scam that many are trying to prove, not a chance. Thats my issue and thats what I am trying to prove. I can't explain the miscommunication but to say its a scam is a complete and utter fallacy.

I'm no rocket scientist, but I was able to figure out that ya needed to put 5 bucks down to get in. Me thinks some peeps got gotted. Oh well see ya's on the 17th

Originally posted by BigMango

 

Originally posted by templarga

Shady? Its word for word in a press release. A press release that  was on their website and supposedly in an e-mail too. Period! Now more simple can it be.

 

No, not in email.

Its a single word hidden within a HUGE wall of text. And this single word can be interpreted in many ways.

You foundation here is baseless.

 

No my foundation is this: READ MORE CAREFULLY.

Ever read a contract? Ever read the small print. At least here its in the main part of the article and not in the small print. Its not my fault or anyone's fault that people fail to read as closely as they should. Its clear to me.

Originally posted by 3on1

BigMango, while it is true that FC didnt properly said u didnt get early acces with preorder BUT if u read the fine prints at the preorder box/download or w/e where can u see that u are GUARANTEED a early acces key?

In all of the documentation I have posted above it is only said:

"You can purchase early access IF YOU PAY 5$".

This was confirmed by retailers, and also the game Publisher even 2 days ago confirmed that ALL of the peorder HAVE early access: AoC publisher confirms early access for all preorders

- many people didn't get the box. They preordered online and got the code in an email. Many retailers have no fine print, they are SURE and confirm preorders have early access. The emails many of them send have no fine prints. You call them, the say you HAVE access.

- preorder box has no fine print. The card inside the box has a fine print that says "restrictions may apply, check out the website register.ageofconan.com". There is nothing on this website. Even inside after you register there is nothing. Also, opening the box voids the refund. So as the box clearly says that you have access and can start downloading on the 14th, many people have not openent the box before the 14th as there was no reason to do it. And by then it was too late.

- etc... etc...

Just reading through the various threads and it does seem a little odd that FunCom would play it this way.

If they wanted to be clear they should have said:

Buy our PreOrder program, get a mount.  Buy a Collectors Edition for a Ring and Drinking Cape and mount.

Want to start 3 days early ahead of our launch? For a mere $5 you can. Act now because spots are limited.  If you don't make the cut, we will still let you play for 10 days without charging your card.

Come on down and partake in Age of Conan glory!

Originally posted by templarga

No my foundation is this: READ MORE CAREFULLY.

Ever read a contract? Ever read the small print. At least here its in the main part of the article and not in the small print. Its not my fault or anyone's fault that people fail to read as closely as they should. Its clear to me.

Geez, you want to argue about "1 single word" that can be interpreted in many different ways, which furthermore is hidden within a HUGE wall of text.

Yes, this foundation is baseless. And even if it was a contract (which it isn't) it wouldn't be receivable. This is far from being clear enough. Add to this the retailers confirmation, the publisher's confirmation ,etc...etc....

If what you are saying is true, then they would have written at least 1 line about it. This is not the case.

That's exactly what they said.

Registration now opened and new Early Access date for the EU servers
Posted: - 05.05.2008

Registration for customers with pre-order keys has now opened.

Registration for customers with pre-order keys has now opened on http://register.ageofconan.com. Registering with a valid pre-order key (such as the Rhino or Mammoth key) is the unique way to be eligible to purchase Early Access for 5€/5$. This fee includes 10 days of game-time as well as the digital download of the client. Hurry though, because the Early Access is only available while supply lasts!

Originally posted by BigMango

 

Originally posted by templarga

No my foundation is this: READ MORE CAREFULLY.

Ever read a contract? Ever read the small print. At least here its in the main part of the article and not in the small print. Its not my fault or anyone's fault that people fail to read as closely as they should. Its clear to me.

 

Geez, you want to argue about "1 single word" that can be interpreted in many different ways, which furthermore is hidden within a HUGE wall of text.

Yes, this foundation is baseless. And even if it was a contract (which it isn't) it wouldn't be receivable. This is far from being clear enough. Add to this the retailers confirmation, the publisher's confirmation ,etc...etc....

If what you are saying is true, then they would have written at least 1 line about it. This is not the case.

I think gamedever linked the one line which was also on Funcom's website and announced on multiple other gaming sites. And that occurred well after the press release I am referring too.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Originally posted by nikoliath

 

 

 

 Funcom goofed up and created a situation where retailers have been lying to consumers in order to make a sale.  This is a BIG deal, and these retailers (having looked into some of the feedback myself since reading this) are more than upset over it.

You are lying through your teeth;

Funcom did not charge for "open beta".

Don't play semantics with me, its a fight you've got no chance in.  I don't personally care HOW they handled their stupid beta...it was a beta and I didn't mind because I didn't want in.  The only facts that matter are

A:  It was an open beta

B:  You had to pay money to get in.

Everything beyond that really doesn't matter at all, now does it?  Worse, since beta is supposed to be a serious testing phase to help weed out potential code problems....Eidos (not funcom, see...I did listen to what you said) arranged a situation in which they not only didn't have to PAY for someone to perform a service for them, but even had the providers of that service pay for the right to GIVE it.  Its like having an Appraisal team pay YOU for the right to look over your house and tell you whats wrong with it.  Does that even make SENSE?

 

"Yes you caught me, I was Lying when I made a statement. But will try to reword it in a way that hides this fact."

We all know the story, FIleplanet..IGN beta event..you needed to be a paid up member to get the client etc.

Face it, Funcom made an official announcement. You and others didn't see it, and there was confusion amongst the many retailers. I blame the retailers for not being more accurate with both finding the info and relaying it to their customers, as much as I can blame any party.

I am tired of this thread now, it's gone full circle many times. I wish you luck in AoC should you choose to play.

Originally posted by gamedever

That's exactly what they said.

Registration now opened and new Early Access date for the EU servers
Posted: - 05.05.2008

Registration for customers with pre-order keys has now opened.

Registration for customers with pre-order keys has now opened on http://register.ageofconan.com. Registering with a valid pre-order key (such as the Rhino or Mammoth key) is the unique way to be eligible to purchase Early Access for 5€/5$. This fee includes 10 days of game-time as well as the digital download of the client. Hurry though, because the Early Access is only available while supply lasts!

This is what they said in only a couple of websites and forums several MONTHS (just a week before release) after their huge marketing machine was telling everyone that "preordering and paying 5$ gives early access".

Many retailers didn't know this. Even the game PUBLISHER didn't know this 2 days ago and confirmed the all of the keys have access.

Originally posted by nikoliath

 

I blame the retailers for not being more accurate with both finding the info and relaying it to their customers, as much as I can blame any party.

How can you blame the retailers when they went out of their way to contact the PUBLISHER OF THE GAME, who confirmed 2 days ago that all of the keys had access.

Retailers who weren't even supposed to send the keys out before the 16th. And after complaining, Funcom sending them the keys only 24 hours ago (which was too late to get early access)... while people had preordered for months...