Originally posted by singsofdeath

Err....wait. You like the graphics, but think FunCom did wrong? I am kind of confused by your last sentence there. ^_^

I've never been impressed by the funcom released videos. they never really looked consistently good, or to my liking. but A few days ago when leaked videos started appearing (seems to have happened all at once) I grew to like them. Clarify a bit?

Well when it comes to the more "real" type of graphics I think of Lineage 2 the character/mobs/armor.  Now L2 has been out for around 5 years or even GW which has been out for a number of years?  I just think that a new game running on X10/vista and all the new stuff should blow these graphics out of the water but really its the other way around games 5 years old have a much better look.  For a next gen game as far as looks go it just isnt next gen. 

Then agian like I said maybe I cant get use to the "real" looking type of style anymore because its so hard to make it look good to me (I know everyone is different).  Agian Gx isnt everything and if the game play turns out to be a lot of fun I will try it but I guess I was thinking the graphics would be really next gen graphics.

Ahh...I think we're getting to the issue of "Uncanny Valley" as it's called. The point where graphics become so realistic that the mind starts to actually compare it to "reality" and suddenly, they look worse than what came before? Is that what you are referring to?

I watched the video and I really just dont see anything in it that makes me want to pre-order. The graphics look good and he seemed to be getting a decent frame rate but I really didnt see anything in that video that made it a pre-order for me. I am not bashing the game and Im not saying that at some point I wont buy it. That video however did nothing to sway my opinion in either direction.  It did reinforce my hatred of Vent though.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Ahh...I think we're getting to the issue of "Uncanny Valley" as it's called. The point where graphics become so realistic that the mind starts to actually compare it to "reality" and suddenly, they look worse than what came before? Is that what you are referring to?

You know it could be I just cant put my finger on one thing.  It could just be the style like I said it just doesnt appeal to me anymore.  I can see how some people might like it and understand and respect that.

Well, if the style isn't yours, there's nothing to be done. Thank you though for taking the time to answer my questions. :) I hope you eventually find a game that suits your tastes better.

Originally posted by slannmage

I don't preorder mmorpgs unless i enjoy the beta which have been SWG, PS and EVE.

I agree with you about beta tests. I won't be pre-ordering AOC, but I have no problem wishing the game and all its players the best.

Quick edit regarding gaphics. ..

My tastes run more to cartoonish style than the so-called realism style. I think it might just be my age and amount of time playing games. I'm over 40 so anything better than wireframe still wows me LOL. Seriously though, I do find games that try for realism go too far. You cannot fool the eye to that degree and it just turns me off. When a game's style is obvious in it style like wow, then I can just sit back andappreciate its bright colours and blocky style for what it is, not what some people say its trying to be.

Strange reasoning in here. You're basing you opinions on what AoC looks like on leaked beta material. At the same time you're saying you don't trust Funcom released videos, because they might be "tampered" with. It's gets downright pathetic when  at the same time you're saying that AoC is unplayable because the system reqs are too high. It's quite a mish-mash you're making here.

Basing what AoC will look like at it's best on leaked Beta footage is stupid. None of you are in a situation to determine what kind of a pc that leaked material is rendered in. As a matter of fact it could be a testament of the Dreamworld engine's excellence that a wide range of people can play it, on a wide range of machines. This has been stated by both Funcom and journalists. There's tons of optimization options for the engine. It's like saying Crysis looks and runs like crap because you saw someone with a shitty pc play it, on youtube.

The dev-rendered videos are what AoC will look like at it's best. Of course. Funcom isn't stupid and releases footage that makes a game that surpasses even Oblivion graphically look like say WAR. There's lots of material released from neutral sources that gives away it's graphical beauty. There's never been a more good looking MMO, simple as that. If you prefer WoW or WAR's cartoonish style, well that's your subjective opinion and you're entitled to that. Do not however say that AoC looks like crap because you like another more abstracted graphical style. Yeah I said abstracted style because that's what both WoW and WAR is compared to AoC.

This thread is about wheather you would pre-order if you hadn't seen the beta leak. It's a fair question many does not answer truthfully. You can say that "No the beta-leak had nothing to do with anything I just don't like AoC as a concept" or "No I'm holding out for WAR which I have more faith in". Instead you're attacking the best looking MMO in the short history of MMO's so far for not looking good enough? Are you crazy? You sound like raving lunatics. Really. Before yesterday there was a lot of unanswered questions - and there still is - but we got many questions answered after the Oslo-event. I guess you need something to focus your bile at. There's times you just know people are getting short on arguments. This is one of those times.

Edit to insert:

Cheetah 2

"The good news is Cheetah 2 looks great; we finally got to see it in action, rather than a preview video set up to show it off at trade shows. Cheetah 2 is receiving some new stuff, like water ripples to make the water more realistic, a day and night cycle with proper directional shadowing from light sources, and a new level of quality for textures. There are also rendering improvements being introduced, which will drastically increase framerates in polygon-dense areas like larger cities and forest areas where vast numbers of trees are present. The increase we were shown by one of Dreamworld's programmers, in a comparison by switching between Cheetah 1 and Cheetah 2, was close to 100% for one of the largest cities in Hyboria"

Source: http://news.curse.com/details/5570/.

Ok then, let's talk about graphics... All that we could see for now - and especially leaked video - CLEARLY shows us ADVANCED, new-age MMO graphics that consists of:

- gorgeous scenery, near and far, with plants and flowers moving with the wind

-excellent models

-FLUID, REAL-LIFE LOOKING animations (without any of the jerking we can see in other MMORPGs)

-very detailed textures on models, armor and weapons

-amazing architecture, true to the world

I could go on, you know

Let us compare this with other popular MMORPGs on the market:

WoW - cartoonish models and graphics, with excellent animations. I have no objections to how professionally it is done, but hey, AoC is looking REAL-LIFE like, not like a cartoon, and it should, after all, it is for age 18+

EQ2 - lots of hype how good the graphics are. Let me tell you, it DOES look very plastic, animations are barely ok, textures are ok,  but not great, lack imagination.

LOTRO - I can't stand this. Graphics are similar to EQ2, but faces and models are horrible. Animations are funny. Just look at the wolves at the starting area, they move like they have only 3 legs. I was appaled. Scenery looks solid, but not life-like. Looks like someones drawing, not real.

There you have it, you can agree or not, BUT to me AoC has breakthrough graphics and that's only from looking at DX9 videos and screens. Bash at whatever else about AoC you THINK you can, but if you bash at graphics (AND animations) you really look like a Troll.

I will play Age of Conan. Yes, this is mostly due to that ranger video. That is the exact style of play I was hoping AoC would have. Keep in mind, that player was getting those high fps WHILE recording with Fraps. Fraps will usually drain your fps by about 20 when recording. Also, YouTube videos are always compressed twice, thus, really killing the true quality. The avg 5 minute Fraps video is around 2-3 gigs in size. He had to have compressed down to under 100 megs for a YouTube upload. And not only that, but YouTube also compresses it down even further, which greatly kills even more of the quality.

I dont get why people like thaat video!

the whole reason why the ranger in aoc is exciting is because hes not meant to auto attack! that beta ranger is unfinished since hes auto attacking.

maybe this video encourages auto attack (ie wow/war) fans to pre-order but it should discourage aoc fans who are following the game for the new features and ridding of autoattacking.

The ranger doesn't auto attack, if you read the post that come with the video on U-Tube the Op(precious32879) states this, also he answer many of the other questions being asked on here.

For all those buying AoC, i look forward to seeing you all in game

Originally posted by howardb

Yes of course I would. I have total faith that AoC will be an awesome game.

Oh wow. Blind faith.. I dont put faith in games kuz they made by ppl and ppl fuk up. Its a lesson well learned.

Originally posted by Vaden

Originally posted by howardb

Yes of course I would. I have total faith that AoC will be an awesome game.

Oh wow. Blind faith.. I dont put faith in games kuz they made by ppl and ppl fuk up. Its a lesson well learned.

Yes, considering all the mainstream games in your sig, you know exactly what you're talking about.

That video looks fantastic...not enough to make me pre-order (I've never pre-ordered a game in my life) but probably enough to make me follow AoC more.

Originally posted by fcwedd

 

Originally posted by Vaden

Originally posted by howardb

Yes of course I would. I have total faith that AoC will be an awesome game.

Oh wow. Blind faith.. I dont put faith in games kuz they made by ppl and ppl fuk up. Its a lesson well learned.

 

Yes, considering all the mainstream games in your sig, you know exactly what you're talking about.

Haha a very good point!

the video looks so so just like every mmo I played so whats the big deal? 

Mobs slow going after player?  easy mode?

Mobs standing still doing nothing and aggro range is so small , again easy mode ?

Thanks to Tabula Rasa, I will never pre-order another MMORPG again. That, and while Conan certainly promises to be good from what I've read, the leaked video is actually what made me change my mind about pre-ordering.  The combat featured in the video doesn't look that special. And don't start the "troll" crap; it makes the accuser look just as moronic as the dissenter most of the time. In any case, I've played enough MMORPGs at launch to know that I'm not prepared to go through the immense pain that I've experienced in the past once again.

If AOC turns out to be good at launch, or if  the game is instead improved at a later date, then I'll play it. Until then, I intend to wait and see what the overall consensus of the post-launch reviews is.  I honestly hope this game turns out to be great since I'm so bored with the current MMO selection. If not, then back to waiting for Bioware's MMO.

 I intend to wait and see what the overall consensus of the post-launch reviews is.

I think that's the only smart way to approach any MMO.

Originally posted by Ditocs

The ranger doesn't auto attack, if you read the post that come with the video on U-Tube the Op(precious32879) states this, also he answer many of the other questions being asked on here.

 

For all those buying AoC, i look forward to seeing you all in game

this is funny because Im the one who posted questions and read all his replies where you obviously haven't because he DOES auto attack. If I valued my time less I would quote him.

gg