Originally posted by bingo69

Being mugged irl is not fun. This is a game. everything can be replaced. Item, money ect....

Why would something that is NOT fun irl be fun in a game?  If you are mugged and not killed irl you could replace all your stolen items.

How about we add all kinds of unfun things to these games.  Random chance when you log on to get a bad case of hemorrhoids preventing you from riding any mount and you can only walk at half speed.  Sounds like fun doesn't it?

Looting in PvP sounds fun, sure, until you get all your crap teken too.

I vote no.

Originally posted by Venger

 

Originally posted by bingo69

Being mugged irl is not fun. This is a game. everything can be replaced. Item, money ect....

*scratches head*

 

Why would something that is NOT fun irl be fun in a game?  If you are mugged and not killed irl you could replace all your stolen items.

How about we add all kinds of unfun things to these games.  Random chance when you log on to get a bad case of hemorrhoids preventing you from riding any mount and you can only walk at half speed.  Sounds like fun doesn't it?

Let see, You get mugged irl and lose a precious ring gaven to you by you decess(or however it written) Grand father. Even if you try to look arround forever, you won't find any other like it anymore... it was unique.  In game, You get item, from monster, from shop, from crafter. You lose one, you remember the place you got it from and you get it back from there, Simple as that. If it was crafted, then ask a crafter to make you a new one, if it was a drop, you go back to where it dropped and seek a new one, if it was from a npc you head over to him and buy it back. Obviously, you lost a item, it suck,  but you can get it back either  by those way or even simple, kill the guy who killed you. That's called revenge :)

Hemorrhoid huh? I don't know which kind of sick game you wan't to play but oh well.. for that, there would be medicine to cure it, simple as that.. all the " unfun" thing for loser like you are what make a game good and not a cookie-cutter. Go back to Wow or something please. I mean, I want this game to be challenging, you trying to make ti easy as hell, wtf?

Sex is fun , yet everyone don't want it? lol~

Btw, You're pathetic if you're scared to counter the  " unfun " thing of  every game. That's called challenge and this is what make the game worth playing.

Stop being a scaredy cat. This is a game, it has to be risky and challenging, that's where the fun is.Dying is part of the game, losing item should be as well, a Thief should eb able to steal from other player, as a Assassin should be able to take from the corpse of his prey. A barbarian that conquer a throne and take the enemy crown to himself. it's all logic man. If that's not your point, please, go back to wow and do battleground, there you're safe from looting... or warhammer when it come out.

blood money was made to keep pvp and pve seperate in my opinion. i say keep them seperate.

If they implemented permadeath I would fully support full player looting. That would actually be worth playing.

People are less likely to put themselves at risk by blindly attacking everything they see if they know they can permanantly die. Just like the real world omg.

But full looting without true death? Naw, too fake. Too easy. Too slanted in favor of the random psycho personality. You just get people farming players the same way people farm npcs. You get random violence with no real repercussions for it. You say 'well they can die and lose their stuff too' well the same people that say that are the same ones saying losing your stuff can always be replaced so its not a big deal.

Anything less than permadeath in pvp is easy mode. Consentual pvp is diapers. Full looting is huggies pull-ups. Permadeath is men's underwear. The choice is clear. 

Originally posted by siresper

If they implemented permadeath I would fully support full player looting. That would actually be worth playing.

People are less likely to put themselves at risk by blindly attacking everything they see if they know they can permanantly die. Just like the real world omg.

But full looting without true death? Naw, too fake. Too easy. Too slanted in favor of the random psycho personality. You just get people farming players the same way people farm npcs. You get random violence with no real repercussions for it. You say 'well they can die and lose their stuff too' well the same people that say that are the same ones saying losing your stuff can always be replaced so its not a big deal.

Anything less than permadeath in pvp is easy mode. Consentual pvp is diapers. Full looting is huggies pull-ups. Permadeath is men's underwear. The choice is clear. 

Perma death... you lvl to 80,  at 10oclock your guild want to raid a castle, you go there and help them, at your surprise, the enemy rush all on you and wack you up to the ground. You're perma death'ed . Bye bye lvl 80 forever? You've worked 5month to get there. Good Job. That's how you want it to be?

Originally posted by bingo69

Perma death... you lvl to 80,  at 10oclock your guild want to raid a castle, you go there and help them, at your surprise, the enemy rush all on you and wack you up to the ground. You're perma death'ed . Bye bye lvl 80 forever? You've worked 5month to get there. Good Job. That's how you want it to be?

Isnt that Darkfall's premise?

Personally im just happy with the blood coin.

Originally posted by bingo69

 

Let see, You get mugged irl and lose a precious ring gaven to you by you decess(or however it written) Grand father. Even if you try to look arround forever, you won't find any other like it anymore... it was unique.  In game, You get item, from monster, from shop, from crafter. You lose one, you remember the place you got it from and you get it back from there, Simple as that. If it was crafted, then ask a crafter to make you a new one, if it was a drop, you go back to where it dropped and seek a new one, if it was from a npc you head over to him and buy it back. Obviously, you lost a item, it suck,  but you can get it back either  by those way or even simple, kill the guy who killed you. That's called revenge :)

 

Hemorrhoid huh? I don't know which kind of sick game you wan't to play but oh well.. for that, there would be medicine to cure it, simple as that.. all the " unfun" thing for loser like you are what make a game good and not a cookie-cutter. Go back to Wow or something please. I mean, I want this game to be challenging, you trying to make ti easy as hell, wtf?

Sex is fun , yet everyone don't want it? lol~

Btw, You're pathetic if you're scared to counter the  " unfun " thing of  every game. That's called challenge and this is what make the game worth playing.

Stop being a scaredy cat. This is a game, it has to be risky and challenging, that's where the fun is.Dying is part of the game, losing item should be as well, a Thief should eb able to steal from other player, as a Assassin should be able to take from the corpse of his prey. A barbarian that conquer a throne and take the enemy crown to himself. it's all logic man. If that's not your point, please, go back to wow and do battleground, there you're safe from looting... or warhammer when it come out.

How about you try to act like an adult with this discussion.  Challenge how is loosing all your stuff a challenge?  Challenge is a tuff fight won or lost not getting jumped by some juvenile that wouldn't know challenge if it smacked them across the face.

Sex is fun if you and your partner know what they are doing.  I guess you're speaking from experience I feel sad for you.  Don't worry keep practicing you'll get it.

BTW you're an idiot if you think aggravation and challenge are the same.

Stop being a sterotypical I'm a leet pvping retard.  I don't have to go anywhere.  Sounds like it is pretty much set in stone there will be no player looting in AoC.  Maybe you'll get one ffa server that is lootable if you're lucky.  But that will probably be merged into one of the other non loot ffa pvp servers in a month or two because there are only like 10 people on the whole server.

Originally posted by Venger

 

Originally posted by bingo69

 

Let see, You get mugged irl and lose a precious ring gaven to you by you decess(or however it written) Grand father. Even if you try to look arround forever, you won't find any other like it anymore... it was unique.  In game, You get item, from monster, from shop, from crafter. You lose one, you remember the place you got it from and you get it back from there, Simple as that. If it was crafted, then ask a crafter to make you a new one, if it was a drop, you go back to where it dropped and seek a new one, if it was from a npc you head over to him and buy it back. Obviously, you lost a item, it suck,  but you can get it back either  by those way or even simple, kill the guy who killed you. That's called revenge :)

 

Hemorrhoid huh? I don't know which kind of sick game you wan't to play but oh well.. for that, there would be medicine to cure it, simple as that.. all the " unfun" thing for loser like you are what make a game good and not a cookie-cutter. Go back to Wow or something please. I mean, I want this game to be challenging, you trying to make ti easy as hell, wtf?

Sex is fun , yet everyone don't want it? lol~

Btw, You're pathetic if you're scared to counter the  " unfun " thing of  every game. That's called challenge and this is what make the game worth playing.

Stop being a scaredy cat. This is a game, it has to be risky and challenging, that's where the fun is.Dying is part of the game, losing item should be as well, a Thief should eb able to steal from other player, as a Assassin should be able to take from the corpse of his prey. A barbarian that conquer a throne and take the enemy crown to himself. it's all logic man. If that's not your point, please, go back to wow and do battleground, there you're safe from looting... or warhammer when it come out.

So if someone gets mugged and they only loose replacable cash it that ok?

 

How about you try to act like an adult with this discussion.  Challenge how is loosing all your stuff a challenge?  Challenge is a tuff fight won or lost not getting jumped by some juvenile that wouldn't know challenge if it smacked them across the face.

Sex is fun if you and your partner know what they are doing.  I guess you're speaking from experience I feel sad for you.  Don't worry keep practicing you'll get it.

BTW you're an idiot if you think aggravation and challenge are the same.

Stop being a sterotypical I'm a leet pvping retard.  I don't have to go anywhere.  Sounds like it is pretty much set in stone there will be no player looting in AoC.  Maybe you'll get one ffa server that is lootable if you're lucky.  But that will probably be merged into one of the other non loot ffa pvp servers in a month or two because there are only like 10 people on the whole server.

The whole idea of an FFA server is the challenge. The "FFA" part of it IS the challenge, and looting just amplifies it. If you lose a piece of your equipment just trying to get another one is part of the challenge. Its all about freedom. A thief should be able to steal....I find it outrageous that you have these games with a thief class or a rogue class and yet theyre not able to steal from other players. Haha, ridiculous. The challenge is to survive, the challenge is NOT to walk into a town without thinking twice. The challenge is to find different routes to travel. The challenge is keeping your equipment in check when you die. The challenge is finding that sword that you lost maybe off another mob or *GASP* maybe another player that you can kill easily? But obviously you cant see this, you cant see past the part of "oh no boo hoo I lost my sword." "Oh boo hoo he ganked me while I was farming mobs in the SAME PLACE, OH WHAT DO I DO!?? *CRY*) give me a break. If you cant see the challenge in survival, then go back to WoW or WAR or whatever where killing people really doesnt matter.

I think you should stop being a stereotypical snobbish carebear who trolls in Pro PvP threads. It is not set in stone that there will be no looting in AOC, where do you get that? Developers have hinted that there may be item loot in the PvP servers. Ironically, there are many guilds out there that do plan on going to the PvP servers instead of the normal ones. So uhh, yeah, stop spouting crap please.

You got a piece of it on your lip. Better wipe it off.

Oh you're back I thought I shut you up a while ago.

Well what you twits can't seem to grasp is stealing and/or getting your stuff stolen is not challenge.  Ducking the reds was not a challenge in old UO it was an aggrivation and a waste of my time and money.  It is however acting out your anti-social behavior is a safe setting where you have no fear of punk ass smacked to the ground like the little bitch that you are.

I truely hope that do have a ffa loot server.  Then you'll have a bunch of wolf personality type all hiding waiting to jump someone.  Only problem is everyone on the entire server will be hiding waiting for someone to come that never will.  You will all eventually get bored move regular ffa server or move onto the next flavor of the month bitching and moaning about getting  ffa full loot throwing abour catch phrases like "you're chicken or carebear".

permadeath will never work unless there is no way to advance your character. you start as good as you will ever be, and your live/die based off of your skill as a player.

Like FPS games.

pvp looting will never work unless gear doesn't mean a thing. in that case what's the point?

UO worked with player looting because gear didn't matter much, it was about player skill and tactics.

perma death works in FPS games because you have nothing invested (over the long term) in your character

For those who want to see what it is like to really play a perma-death game or a PVP loot game. Do this.

Seriously, try it out and see what you think of it. Seriously. To the supporters of these idea do it, for real.

Make a character on some game, on a PVP enabled server of some sort. Play.

If you are a item loot fan, if you die in PVP combat to another player, destroy all of your equipment when you respawn. Go buy new stuff.

If you are a perma-death fan, delete the character when you die and start over. Make a new character.

I can 99% garauntee you'll cheat. "He was 20 levels higher! Doesn't count." "I got DC'd, doesn't count!" "I didn't see him coming, doesn't count." "That's only the first time I died, it doesn't count!" etc.

Then