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It would be a hell of a lot more thrilling if PVP was made with full looting. Blood money is just some false substitute for the real thing, making it seem as if your actually getting something from a fallen foe. In actuality your opponent loses nothing. There is nothing to stop someone from ressing over and over, I can run into a mob of enemy players and annoy the crap out of them just because I can. Since I have nothing to lose I have nothing to gain but artificial junk. Ho hum, let the boredom begin.
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7/25/07 5:26:54 AM#2
+1.I think looting in pvp must be,its fun ,its making SENSE to pvp!And its must stop players from raiding 40man dungeons 24/7!!!
Are you stupid? Do you think i'm gonna waste my life for real life?
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Kyleran
Elite Member
Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
7/25/07 5:33:28 AM#3
Looting is great, just so long as great controls are in place to prevent ganking of players who are at a substantial disadvantage to someone else (i.e. previously engaged fighting PVE mobs or other players, more than a level or 2 below the aggressor, etc). Also, loot has to be next to worthless, because no one will spend a half dozen or so hours running some pve encounter just so someone can take it from them in a 30 second, unbalanced fight. Something like what Shadowbane used (equipped items were bound, backpack items were lootable) might work.... but not full looting of characters....never happen...
"Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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7/25/07 5:35:45 AM#4
But not full looting of characters....never happen...
Diablo 2 hardcore mode ,thats what we need!jeeezzz
Are you stupid? Do you think i'm gonna waste my life for real life?
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oblivionate
Novice Member
Joined: 7/19/07
"For we walk by faith, not by sight" - 2 Corinthians 5:7 |
7/26/07 9:49:01 AM#5
If they do make looting servers, that would be a nice suggestion for the people who do want it. However I don't want my hard earned items being taken from me just because I screwed up in one strategy during the fight. |
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7/26/07 9:56:22 AM#6
The bottom line is that you guys are dreaming. This is NEVER going to happen in todays subscription based games. People work for months, sometimes years to aquire what they have. to have you take it in 10 seconds is not only ridiculous, its bad business practices. Nobody except the 10-20 super hardcores on these boards would pay to play that crap. And the first time they lost after 2 months of playing they would quit too, I dont care what they say on these boards. Its not gonna happen, and for the few that really want it, the servers would be ghost towns because nobodys gonna play that junk. Like it or not, I'm not flmaing, but its just bad for business. |
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7/26/07 9:59:49 AM#7
just like UO!!! full looting!!!!!! |
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7/26/07 10:04:29 AM#8
Its only bad business if nobody wants it. If there are enough folks who want it then why wouldn't you consider it good business. There are plenty of folks who like looting in PvP. UO players did. Doesn't Eve have that as well ? If the game is good and solid then you can get enough folks who like all out PvP with looting to fill a server. I haven't played a good Fantasy based PvP game since UO. Most of the MMO's out there today are made for the masses not for the folks who truly love MMORPG's. Its a watered down industry these days. |
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7/26/07 10:08:25 AM#9
This is all vey true. However, you and I both know theres not 10,000 of you that will play this. Maybe you think there is.. but theres not. And eve is COMPLETLEY different.... eve is almost like permadeath.. u are hunted and lose your ship and all. Its apples and oranges. But as you said, they are going to appeal to the masses, not the small crowds. Its just not cost effective. A single server? could happen.. it has the potential.. but I still dont see them thinking its worth their while. |
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7/26/07 10:16:29 AM#10
Like I said. Watered down. Everyone wants play the one guy who never loses. Never dies. Is never poor. Wheres the bums ? Wheres the tragedy ? Wheres the suffering and loss ? WTF makes these games RPG in any way ? You could turn anything into an MMO but I'll be damned if I've seen a Massive Roleplaying game in years. Roleplaying died on the tabletop. |
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7/26/07 10:17:16 AM#11
Why games,which have 200+ servers, dont have even 1 server with these hardcore rulez?JEEEEZZZ
Are you stupid? Do you think i'm gonna waste my life for real life?
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7/26/07 10:20:11 AM#12
Well.. people COULD play the bums, and the poor.. but what fun would that be? I mean.. Its not like they are FORCED to wear that shiny epic armour into battle.. they WANT to.. I mean take wow for example (just an example) you could be poor, and lvl 70, running around in trashy clothes, drunk half the time, and begging for money... OH WAIT!!!! 90% of them already do. Nuf said. Its the PLAYERS job to ROLEPLAY.... obviously they dont prefer those roles. |
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7/26/07 10:24:03 AM#13
No shit sherlock. Thats my point exactly. The games made these days are not made for the people who initially loved the idea. They are made for the weekend warrior and the kid who thinks he didn't get to play the game until he finally got to the max level. You seem to think I meant to blame developers. I did but I blame them by way of blaming the people who whine and moan about too hard, unfair, and too long.
The game starts at level 1 not at level 70 bud. |
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7/26/07 10:30:31 AM#14
Well, full loot is a nice and *realistic* idea. But do todays games have even a shard of realism? Don't think so) So why would u want realism in some parts, and none - in others? Would you like to have permanent death maybe? Guess not) The main problem in MMO, compared to single player RPGs, is the lack of balance. In singple player game u CAN be safe if u think the right way, u can survive in any situation, cause u got al the needed *tools* to survive. MMOs? Hell yeah, is someone REALLY wants to kill u - he'll kill u. Alone or with the help of friends, doesn't matter. U CAN"T be safe in MMO, no matter how good u play. Besides, I personally don't have much free time to play, i'm old and need to work) So if u say, that all my hard-earned loot could be easily taken away by some teenage geek, playin' 24\7, just because he got uber char insted of real life... Hell no, I'll never play a shit like that =) I'm a hardcore gamer, but if u want realism in some things - there must be realism in ALL things, that's the only way =)
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7/26/07 10:33:01 AM#15
Well, thats because more people are playing. And dont forget, these games these days are costing tens of millions, not like UO who admittedly spent less than 50,000.00 on the game when it first came out.. I wouldnt so much as say anyone is at "fault".. and yes, it does start at lvl 1... but I blame it more to the fact that ou HAVE to appeal to the masses, theres just no choice. Otherwise they go out of business the month after they release the game. Its not that I disagree with you, which is what Im thinking you think, I agree 100%.... but if ppl want to play the poor.. THEY have to do it.. its not devs, or money or anything else.. they need to log in and become their characters. And your right, thats the players problems.... but that doesnt mean there arent ppl like you and I out there that still believe in real roleplaiying... we are just looked at like we are a dime a dozen because lets face it, ppl dont play mmo's to roleplay anymore, they want teh ubbar gerz and teh shinies omg swordz... thats all PPL care about.. the funny thing is every Dev thinks their game is the best.. what they fail to realize, is that VERY few people will actually play the game in the manor in which the devs believe it should be played lol. Its sad, but alas, it is true! |
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7/26/07 10:41:45 AM#16
If they want to put that on the FFA servers great you guys can have at each other. Lived thru that for years with UO and it wasn't thrilling or fun. |
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7/26/07 10:46:16 AM#17
Thats basically what I just said. You spent your whole post pretty much telling me I'm wrong and then agreeing with me ? Let me make this simple for you. I agree. Whats with all these people who are afraid they might lose something to a "teenage geek" (I like that btw since you could pretty much classify all of us here as Geeks you hypocrite). Theres a hundred games out there and you seem to be afraid that one will turn out as something you dont like. So sad. |
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7/26/07 10:51:00 AM#18
Regardless of FFA servers, FFA PvP won't work in this game, simply because the game isn't build around it. |
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davvin
Novice Member
Joined: 1/01/07
"You''re not going crazy. You''re going sane in a crazy world!" |
7/26/07 10:52:26 AM#19
devs have already said that there will not be looting of other players in Conan, sorry |
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7/26/07 10:54:32 AM#20
Originally posted by davvin
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