Originally posted by tares
If an MMO is good people will play it, played MMOs are league of legends, WoW, SWTOR, Aion (very grindy PvP game), EvE, LOTRO, and GW 1.  All but SWTOR have been popular for a while now.

LoL is not an MMO, not even close.

Originally posted by Charas

Originally posted by tares
If an MMO is good people will play it, played MMOs are league of legends, WoW, SWTOR, Aion (very grindy PvP game), EvE, LOTRO, and GW 1.  All but SWTOR have been popular for a while now.

LoL is not an MMO, not even close.

Ahh is a strategy game, looked like an MMO, think I confused it with one of the FTP MMOs that people do play and change every month.

Originally posted by snapfusion

The combo system is a broken game mechanic that should of been striped out long ago.  Its a complete waste of 5 buttons on your keyboard that should be used for abilites.  or is it 7 butoons even?

Raiding is fun

Graphics are great

Zones are really well done

PvP combat feels sloppy and disorganized, kind of like watching bum fights

The only classes that feel someone right to play are the non combo classes so casters I guess. but I hate playing casters

For PVE the combo systems is passable but it fails hard in dynamic situations like PvP

This game could of been THE game to play if the combat mechanics werent so god awfull

Completely disagree. It's like you have not understood why the combos are there. In regular MMOs melee combat quickly becomes an exersise of just spam away on your favorite or most effective attacks in a certain order. WoW style combat. This is sooo boring compared to AoC combat. In AoC you also have to land your strikes. Make sure your opponent is in the AoE area and this particularly on your final combo blow, because that's what deals most of the effects. Combat is with this suddenly not about spamming your most effective attacks anymore, it is as much about timing your attacks and strategically move in an effective and beneficial way in combat. I can see from your post that you must be a terrible AoC PvPer. I play this game still now after 3 years and it is no easy task to master AoC PvP combat. It is about skill as much as gear and this is a huge + for veteran MMO players. 

Combos, the collision detection, AoE combat with superb animations and graphics is an undisputed winner for me.

Originally posted by DaSpack

Originally posted by snapfusion

The combo system is a broken game mechanic that should of been striped out long ago.  Its a complete waste of 5 buttons on your keyboard that should be used for abilites.  or is it 7 butoons even?

Raiding is fun

Graphics are great

Zones are really well done

PvP combat feels sloppy and disorganized, kind of like watching bum fights

The only classes that feel someone right to play are the non combo classes so casters I guess. but I hate playing casters

For PVE the combo systems is passable but it fails hard in dynamic situations like PvP

This game could of been THE game to play if the combat mechanics werent so god awfull

Completely disagree. It's like you have not understood why the combos are there. In regular MMOs melee combat quickly becomes an exersise of just spam away on your favorite or most effective attacks in a certain order. WoW style combat. This is sooo boring compared to AoC combat. In AoC you also have to land your strikes. Make sure your opponent is in the AoE area and this particularly on your final combo blow, because that's what deals most of the effects. Combat is with this suddenly not about spamming your most effective attacks anymore, it is as much about timing your attacks and strategically move in an effective and beneficial way in combat. I can see from your post that you must be a terrible AoC PvPer. I play this game still now after 3 years and it is no easy task to master AoC PvP combat. It is about skill as much as gear and this is a huge + for veteran MMO players. 

Combos, the collision detection, AoE combat with superb animations and graphics is an undisputed winner for me.

um.. what you are describing in AOC isn´t even what the game plays like.   Those sound like the developer´s notes from 5 months before launch, but the game never actually played that way.  The masses have spoken.. one game went f2p and still only has about 3 total servers with population, one has 10M subscribers and a full dev team.

It is like you don´t even play the game.. you just read developer notes and cut-n-paste PR letters from 4 years ago.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by DaSpack

Originally posted by snapfusion

The combo system is a broken game mechanic that should of been striped out long ago.  Its a complete waste of 5 buttons on your keyboard that should be used for abilites.  or is it 7 butoons even?

Raiding is fun

Graphics are great

Zones are really well done

PvP combat feels sloppy and disorganized, kind of like watching bum fights

The only classes that feel someone right to play are the non combo classes so casters I guess. but I hate playing casters

For PVE the combo systems is passable but it fails hard in dynamic situations like PvP

This game could of been THE game to play if the combat mechanics werent so god awfull

Completely disagree. It's like you have not understood why the combos are there. In regular MMOs melee combat quickly becomes an exersise of just spam away on your favorite or most effective attacks in a certain order. WoW style combat. This is sooo boring compared to AoC combat. In AoC you also have to land your strikes. Make sure your opponent is in the AoE area and this particularly on your final combo blow, because that's what deals most of the effects. Combat is with this suddenly not about spamming your most effective attacks anymore, it is as much about timing your attacks and strategically move in an effective and beneficial way in combat. I can see from your post that you must be a terrible AoC PvPer. I play this game still now after 3 years and it is no easy task to master AoC PvP combat. It is about skill as much as gear and this is a huge + for veteran MMO players. 

Combos, the collision detection, AoE combat with superb animations and graphics is an undisputed winner for me.

um.. what you are describing in AOC isn´t even what the game plays like.   Those sound like the developer´s notes from 5 months before launch, but the game never actually played that way.  The masses have spoken.. one game went f2p and still only has about 3 total servers with population, one has 10M subscribers and a full dev team.

It is like you don´t even play the game.. you just read developer notes and cut-n-paste PR letters from 4 years ago.

My god, seems like I have to accept a wide range of accusations from Mr. WoW-recruiter. I can assure you, the guy that stands after a PvP fight, play exactly the way I described. This is my third year in the game now, so I know a lot about it. According to your posting history you have not played the game almost, just posted 3 years about it. That is not good. Good luck to anyone that listen to your rehash of how you hate AoC.

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
If you like dungeons YES probably the best dungeons available in any themepark style gameif you like pvp NO

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Your joking right? AOC has frequent world pvp. if thats what your into

Originally posted by Mellkor

 

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
If you like dungeons YES probably the best dungeons available in any themepark style gameif you like pvp NO

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Your joking right? AOC has frequent world pvp. if thats what your into

I know it's funny right :)? The game is free and anyone can test how it plays, still you have to read funnytalk like this. Seems like people rather wanna guess on how the game is than just test it.

Originally posted by DaSpack

Originally posted by Mellkor

 

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
If you like dungeons YES probably the best dungeons available in any themepark style gameif you like pvp NO

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Your joking right? AOC has frequent world pvp. if thats what your into

I know it's funny right :)? The game is free and anyone can test how it plays, still you have to read funnytalk like this. Seems like people rather wanna guess on how the game is than just test it.

Funcom claimed 600,000 players tried the free version within the first few months of FTP and has since lost them all and then some.   I think you are confused about other MMOs, in all other MMOs melee classes have a short range and need to be facting the target so same thing as AoC.  Most melees have AoE abilities that require positioning.  The only diffrence is melees usually get instant abilities so the ability goes off within an instant followed by a cooldown.

Typical MMO, (cycyling through abilities based on cooldowns, resource management, buffs/procces, special circumstances like charge/silence/stun)  Some classes are simple like AoC but in rift, swtor, and other games some classes have 17 + abilities to use in a rotation not including situational abilities.

Ability 1, Ability 2 (long cooldown), Ability 3, Ability 1 (procc), Ability 4, Ability 7 (silence a spell cast) ability 3.

Age of Conan.  Use the three abilities that work over and over and over.

Ability 1, arrow, arrow, arrow ability goes off,  Ability 2, arrow, arrow, arrow -ability goes off, ability 3 arrow, arrow -ability goes off....repeat. 

If you randomly took 10 top 1000 players from any WoW battlegroup, gave them geared out level 80s with AAs and told them what three skills they need to spam, I'm sure within a couple of hours they would destroy any 10 of the top 100 AoC players server wide in any kill count related PvP.  That is the advantage of popular games, way more skilled players and it takes competition against skilled players to level up your game.  The ability rotations in AoC are much simpler to most MMOs now but there are always simple classes, such as SWTOR tracer missle spam.

pfft AoC and world PvP should never be used in the same sentance, between guards and shrines of bori, no just no.

 

The game is free so all you have to download and start playing. You didn't even have to ask this question ;)

Yes. Why? Because you might like it.

 

I didn't, but you might.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Yes. Why? Because you might like it.

 

I didn't, but you might.

Yes, pretty much the essence of things.

Insted one can see weird arguments of how other people did not like AoC and why you therefore also should not. Hehe, equally fun every time you see those posts.

Me and my guild are going strong in this game that according to some of the above posters should have been dead years ago. Instead, new technology and content continously get incorporated into the game.

The game sold 1,000,000  boxes at launch.    After it went free2play, another 600,000  players apparently tried it.

There are currently 3 servers with populations on it..... which is well less than 100,000 active players.

1,700,000   tried it

   100,000  still play it for free (generous).

By my math, that means about 6% of the people who had the game on their computer want to play AOC as a free game.

 

Again, it is a free game..  but so is DDO, LOTRO and EQ2.. and all of those games have many more servers full of players... Kinda tells you something.

Originally posted by Azrile

The game sold 1,000,000  boxes at launch.    After it went free2play, another 600,000  players apparently tried it.

There are currently 3 servers with populations on it..... which is well less than 100,000 active players.

1,700,000   tried it

   100,000  still play it for free (generous).

By my math, that means about 6% of the people who had the game on their computer want to play AOC as a free game.

 

Again, it is a free game..  but so is DDO, LOTRO and EQ2.. and all of those games have many more servers full of players... Kinda tells you something.

 

The only thing that "tells me something" is the WoW reference in your title and sig. Why are you hanging around this forum exactly?

Also, your reasoning is flawed. This example has already been mentioned to you before but I'll mention it again for emphasis - McDonalds is one of the, if not the most, popular restaurants in the world, despite selling food that is on the edge of being barely edible. See how flawed that number game is when put into a different context? 

I could give several other examples using famous music artists, but I think you get the point.

Peronally, I like the game and have been subscribing for a few months. Yeah, the F2P model isn't that great, but at least they have one at all.

My advice to anyone interested in the game, give it a try, you only have some time to lose.

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Azrile

The game sold 1,000,000  boxes at launch.    After it went free2play, another 600,000  players apparently tried it.

There are currently 3 servers with populations on it..... which is well less than 100,000 active players.

1,700,000   tried it

   100,000  still play it for free (generous).

By my math, that means about 6% of the people who had the game on their computer want to play AOC as a free game.

 

Again, it is a free game..  but so is DDO, LOTRO and EQ2.. and all of those games have many more servers full of players... Kinda tells you something.

 

The only thing that "tells me something" is the WoW reference in your title and sig. Why are you hanging around this forum exactly?

Also, your reasoning is flawed. This example has already been mentioned to you before but I'll mention it again for emphasis - McDonalds is one of the, if not the most, popular restaurants in the world, despite selling food that is on the edge of being barely edible. See how flawed that number game is when put into a different context? 

I could give several other examples using famous music artists, but I think you get the point.

Peronally, I like the game and have been subscribing for a few months. Yeah, the F2P model isn't that great, but at least they have one at all.

My advice to anyone interested in the game, give it a try, you only have some time to lose.

Who would go to a restaraunt that drove away 700,000 customers the first year then did not much at all for over a year, released a revised menu (expansion) and win backs for old customers and drove off over 200,000 more and then went free and drove away over 700,000 customers again?  You can watch thier revenues plummet during those times as well.

The restaraunt analogy works though, I can visualize my local commercial hub with Mc Donalds, Burger King, Wendy's Olive Guarden, Texas Road house, and many more.   Age of Conan would be the restaraunt with the empty parking lot and smallest menu (content) and the kitchen would be missing ingredients for a lot of that menu (bugs galore).

There are tons of MMOs that people are playing because there is much better game play and content in those games.  Is nuts even MMOs I would think would be dead like Doac and EQ1 and DDO have way more players logged in and doing stuff than AoC.  It has nothing to do with release anymore but everything to do with poor design decisions, better luck with TSW but from the looks of it it will be AoC all over again but with even less post release development.  DISCLAIMER - I no nothing of euro servers, but USA servers are all ghost towns, with to few players to do even three year old content most of the time.

 

The game has been set out to pasture - funcom is 99.9% dedicated to The Secret World.

You can "try it", but it is a massive grind at top level to be competitve. Ive played it since launch and have recently unsubbed.

I wouldnt invest time on this game. Read the official forums on what active players think (the hanger-ons). Pretty grim.

I love AoC for it's combat system, never bored me in PvE or PvP (unlike sooo many MMO's) and the raids are intense. Having said that...I subbed for a year and got excited when F2P was announced because the game was in desperate need of people. So upon F2P, I re-subbed and un-subbed within the same month. The things that people can buy to help them in pvp from the cash shop completely defeated the point of playing the game for me.

Try it if you want to, it's a great game but funcom did a terrible job with the F2P model.

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by Azrile

The game sold 1,000,000  boxes at launch.    After it went free2play, another 600,000  players apparently tried it.

There are currently 3 servers with populations on it..... which is well less than 100,000 active players.

1,700,000   tried it

   100,000  still play it for free (generous).

By my math, that means about 6% of the people who had the game on their computer want to play AOC as a free game.

 

Again, it is a free game..  but so is DDO, LOTRO and EQ2.. and all of those games have many more servers full of players... Kinda tells you something.

 

The only thing that "tells me something" is the WoW reference in your title and sig. Why are you hanging around this forum exactly?

Also, your reasoning is flawed. This example has already been mentioned to you before but I'll mention it again for emphasis - McDonalds is one of the, if not the most, popular restaurants in the world, despite selling food that is on the edge of being barely edible. See how flawed that number game is when put into a different context? 

I could give several other examples using famous music artists, but I think you get the point.

Peronally, I like the game and have been subscribing for a few months. Yeah, the F2P model isn't that great, but at least they have one at all.

My advice to anyone interested in the game, give it a try, you only have some time to lose.

Who would go to a restaraunt that drove away 700,000 customers the first year then did not much at all for over a year, released a revised menu (expansion) and win backs for old customers and drove off over 200,000 more and then went free and drove away over 700,000 customers again?  You can watch thier revenues plummet during those times as well.

The restaraunt analogy works though, I can visualize my local commercial hub with Mc Donalds, Burger King, Wendy's Olive Guarden, Texas Road house, and many more.   Age of Conan would be the restaraunt with the empty parking lot and smallest menu (content) and the kitchen would be missing ingredients for a lot of that menu (bugs galore).

There are tons of MMOs that people are playing because there is much better game play and content in those games.  Is nuts even MMOs I would think would be dead like Doac and EQ1 and DDO have way more players logged in and doing stuff than AoC.  It has nothing to do with release anymore but everything to do with poor design decisions, better luck with TSW but from the looks of it it will be AoC all over again but with even less post release development.  DISCLAIMER - I no nothing of euro servers, but USA servers are all ghost towns, with to few players to do even three year old content most of the time.

 

The point I was making still stands. The people that go to that "restaurant" are the same people that have been enjoying it since they started "eating" there. Sure, it's not nearly as popular as a place like McDonalds, but neither are many other decent restaurants (many of which are of higher quality even). It all comes down to personal taste. 

Like I said earlier, I personally like the game, melee combat system and all. The visuals are second to none in this genre, it has an impressive soundtrack, and there's a ton of stuff to do, at least from what I've seen. Of course, it inevitably has it flaws, and maybe Funcom really is shelving it in favor of working full force on their new mmo, but I really don't care. The game currently has enough to keep my friend and I occupied, and as it stands now, seems worthy of the sub I pay for it. As soon as that ceases to be the case, I'll move on.

And for the record, the assumption about the population is a bit off base (but you mentioned not knowing much about the EU servers, so it's understandable). The EU servers in general seem to have a pretty healthy population (especially Crom, which apparently sports more guild activity than all of the US servers combined). I'll admit that maybe EQ1 and DDO have bigger total populations, but when you factor in the EU AoC pop, it's probably not far off.

I can't say why the EU population is doing so much better, but it is what it is. I've been playing on Crom and the population hasn't been an issue so far. That said, I'll add an addendum to my suggestion above and say that if you're thinking of trying the game, you might consider going with the EU servers instead. I'm a US player and it works well enough for me.

It's worth trying just for Tortach. Great starting area, If only the whole game was the same.

Originally posted by Kanester

It's worth trying just for Tortach. Great starting area, If only the whole game was the same.

It's Tortage* and I never understood people that said this "if only the whole game was the same"...i hate tortage, every single time i did it, i couldn't wait to get out of that place.

Is AoC worth trying?

Yes.