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Originally posted by kuhronusu

I do like the way that guy exposed his thoughts, i just dont agree with all of them... Telling that the game is the same at launch ?! if the game was at the same stage at launch no one would be playing it XD

but the others stuff he said i just cant argue, i'm not playing the game !

 

All i want to know about it is... Is it possible to enjoy both Lotro and AoC ? casually i mean... LOTRO u can play casually and still get alot of fun from the game.  As i played AoC only one month at release, i can't figure if its possible to play it as a casual player alongside with other mmo.

The game has alot of problems i know that too, but i think that in the MMO maket AoC is one of the best choices if u want a pvp oriented game... 

You can point me Darkfall, is a good game too, but its way hardcore for me...

OK here we go

the game became a lot better than at launch. However since some months, it's been getting worse and worse, bugs that were fixed are appearing again, zones are crashing when they werent before, people's games are crashing where they werent before, fps has droped when it was better before, some people can't even play on low settings anymore cause the game is so messed up and they ahve too low fps to do anyhting.

Other than that, to answer your question, it is perfectly possible to play more than one MMORPG at same time and in fact, AoC is more enjoyable casually since there is next to no content for hardcore players, unless you like to pvp.

And speaking of pvp you have the following choices

1. minigames

2. ganking

3. fighting in keshata

4. seiges

lets take these one by one

1. minigames are full of premades which would not be so much a problem, if not for the fact that they always have a good setup for minigames while random group ends up with 5 melee and a ranger. So you'll be sitting afk at rez pad most of the time like other new guys who can't leave because they are desperate to get the miserable 50 xp u get from losing a game.

2. ganking can be fun if you like to kill lowbies on low health fighting big mobs, if that's your thing, then you going to love AoC. Pick a pvp server though, cause you can't do that on pve server. Keep in mind lots of gankers will gank you also, most of them twinked and grouped up. It's fun for a while but gets tiresome fast

3. fighting in keshata is hardly possible anymore because of lag. Any time bigger groups collide, it becomes unplayable. I suspect people are using lag hacks as well which makes things worse, but at hte moment, it's just not playable. U can fight in keshata most of the time only because no one goes there anymore, it's empty except for the local dominating group

4. Seiges are one the biggest failures of Funcom (one of the many). They have not worked properly since launch. It"s been what, 1 year and a half? They lag like crazy, are full of demos and healers because they are overpowerd in group pvp and most of the time, crash after a few minutes.

WIthout speaking of bugs and things, one also VERY important failure of this game, and specifically of the pvp, is class balance. It's not Age of Conan where brave barbarians fight it out, it's (as so many people like to call it) Age of Harry Potters.

Its full of demos necros and toss which are the 3 OP classes at the moment and they make the life of melee players miserable. 

Which brings me to my last point, which is a positive one, melee pvp is the most fun, thrilling and realistic pvp i've ever played. This is why I continue to play this game.

In conclusion, and 88% of players who played for a long while and know the game will tell you this :

It HAD the potential to be one of the best games out there, Funcom messed it up so bad it's not even funny. My personal belief is that Funcom is run by children of petrol company owners who don't need money, got tons, and role play buisness men for the fun of it and like to laugh at the mess they make and fool they make of the player base.

But ya, get a high end PC and see for yourself.

"if you have any more questions please let me know"

Originally posted by nihce

Originally posted by Blackwell99

Originally posted by SirPaco

well I have, and I'm still actively playing it, and hes right.

 

This guy is not some random looking for information, hes a troll.

 

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@sirpaco: you sir are a troll. I know you. YOu are a troll. Green, with weird head etc.

I think I know you as well (from futilez forums?), and I'm not a troll I can promise you that ^^ the fact that you say that proves you don't know me

I'm a forum whore for sure, but I can prove I'm not a troll any time, hit me baby :)

so... in the end of all the problems, u still play it.

Why ? only because melee fighting is great ?   U must have others reasons, playing a game only because melee fighting is good is kinda odd o.O

So u told me all the bad stuff u think about the game, tell me the good ones now xD

I haven't really played Aoc for past two months because of busy irl life(I'll be back when my life is sorted out ) but I can tell you that the latest patch which was released a week ago or something messed up many things. But according to Game director this week patch will fix nearly all if not all problems out there. And it is really exaggerating to give THAT critical point of view of the game because of one little patch which just happened to accidentally mess things up. In lotro some patches have messed up some things too but everything  have been fixed later in a week or a few weeks so it is totally pointless to summarize the game based on after the small patch because everything will be back on normal in a week.

Just give a try.

And please note that SirPaco mainly talks about the endgame which you have no idea about and won't have for a long time if you will play aoc just casually.

ok, to answer your first question.

I played one game  hardcore for almost 3 years. It was ONE MAP, a MOD on WCIII called DotA.

Just ONE map, no content, no nothing, 5 vs 5 and thats it go kill.

The reason I did that is the same I still play AoC. The interest is not only in the mechanics, or the graphics, or the content, it's in the context of pvp games.

DotA was an amazing pvp game. AoC is amazing to play pvp in for me. I LOVE the melee combat, and I am perfectly happy doing nothing all day except fight other people.

Point is, most people find that boring and need content. I would LOVE more content, but to conclude and confirm, I enjoy pvping because of teh realism, the combo system, the fast paced action. Else, I would have quit lonnnnnnng time ago.

So what's good for AoC apart from amazing fast paced, realistic melee fighting system? :XD

1. graphics, if you have a high end computer, I sometimes enjoying questing in the world, listenting to the great music (which gets repititive after a while, but is nice from time to time) on DX10 max settings etc. 

2. graphics on low settings for pvp are still ok as well, not so much cartoonish like others MMORPG. I think they are more realistic.

3. I don't know anything else good with the game... but I don't need more... the quests are "ok" (standard MMO) the raiding is "ok" I guess.. not that I do any lol (i find it boring)

Anyway, nice graphics for high end pc some pretty nice music also, amazing melee combat system is good.

Well this thread shot out of control quickly.

Anyways heres some factual information geared towards the positive.

1. When I first logged on I noticed that the guilds that were recruiting way back when I first played, were still around and actively raiding 4-5 times a week in Tier 1 and Tier 2.

2. Several new guilds have appeared during that time, and have a decently sized member base with recently subscribed members.

3. Raids are formed for the instances each and every day, there is no shortage of raiding and pugs are always being formed.

4. I managed to knock out ALL of my group quests at level 48 in FoTD with a full balanced group of the same level as well as do a raid on Tords Tomb and finish my quest as well get some gear.

But please by all means go on and on about how theres 1 person left in the world.

you DO realise there are different servers (i.e different worlds)

And you DO realize when you say the game, you are taking ALL servers into consideration, not just the one you played on?

yes mate, I'm talking of MOST servers.

In EU there is ONE populated server = CROM PVE (and I havent been there to check, just relying on what CROM PVE players report on forums).

Btw check posts on official forums and see whether they are very happy ^^

Fury, which was merged from a number of servers used to be the most populated one in EU. It is now close to what it was like before the merge (i.e pretty much empty).

I guess there is a positive side to this, we kind of all know each other now, we have  close and tight community O_O

So you speak only from experience on EU servers, yet like to generalize an all knowing attitude about the entire game in every post you make.

As for forums, if you seriously base a games health on its forums, im very sorry. Every mmo's forums you go to, say the exact same thing

WoW forums claim WoW is dying, Aion forums claim Aion is dying, Lotro forums claim lotro is dying, EvE forums claim EvE is dying, its just the pure nature of forums, the vocals ones are almost always the negative ones because they feel they have something to say and think everyone wants to hear it, while the people who are enjoying the content are off playing.

Fury is heavily populated server. There are 4x more active PVP LVL 5 players than on Tyranny which is the biggest PVP server on US. It's not a very good gauge but tells something about the population. 

Originally posted by Kamukoira

Fury is heavily populated server. There are 4x more active PVP LVL 5 players than on Tyranny which is the biggest PVP server on US. It's not a very good gauge but tells something about the population. 

you showed to me how empty the U.S servers are.

Seriously, how you want me to judge the U.S. servers??? I never play there?

By the way, YG show some guild with 500 people when they actually only have like 30 people active. Like Kamukoira pointed out, Fury used to be the most populated server (in the world?) now it is almost dead. There are 2 things that keep it going :

1. New guys from other dead servers re rolling on fury

2. Certain persistant hard core players who keep pvping or raiding no matter what.

It wasn't worth a first chance.

Originally posted by Xerith

So you speak only from experience on EU servers, yet like to generalize an all knowing attitude about the entire game in every post you make.

As for forums, if you seriously base a games health on its forums, im very sorry. Every mmo's forums you go to, say the exact same thing

WoW forums claim WoW is dying, Aion forums claim Aion is dying, Lotro forums claim lotro is dying, EvE forums claim EvE is dying, its just the pure nature of forums, the vocals ones are almost always the negative ones because they feel they have something to say and think everyone wants to hear it, while the people who are enjoying the content are off playing.

I base a game health on my personal expereience of gaming (more than one year active) and how I see the evolution from my point of view, from friends who play the game, some longer than me. From players and guilds who quit the game, from reading forums because yes, some information on forums is more than important to take into account.

The vocal ones are vocal not because of some personal ego agenda, but because (and in a quite normal way) when something is messed up in a game, they want to express that with the objective of ---> getting it fixed.

Let me ask YOU this then, if Tyranny is most populated U.S. server, how many instances in Keshatta have you got at peek times? How many BK sieges do you get a week?

And if it's easier to get groups, I might think it is because guilds are becoming empty and all are forced to PUG raid.

Originally posted by SirPaco

I base a game health on my personal expereience of gaming (more than one year active) and how I see the evolution from my point of view, from friends who play the game, some longer than me. From players and guilds who quit the game, from reading forums because yes, some information on forums is more than important to take into account.

The vocal ones are vocal not because of some personal ego agenda, but because (and in a quite normal way) when something is messed up in a game, they want to express that with the objective of ---> getting it fixed.

Let me ask YOU this then, if Tyranny is most populated U.S. server, how many instances in Keshatta have you got at peek times? How many BK sieges do you get a week?

And if it's easier to get groups, I might think it is because guilds are becoming empty and all are forced to PUG raid.

 

I dont play on Tyranny, I play on Wicanna and raiding is an every day occurance. My guild schedules and runs 5x+ raids per week with events on the weekends for either lowbie raids or alt leveling as well as social events.

I see Khesh pug raids forming at least 10-20 times per night during the day and on through the night, this is including all the other pug raids that form. This isnt taking into consideration people who are still running Iron Tower quite frequently every day as well. Sanctum runs for the lowbies are also being formed up at least several times per day as well.

Honestly Im not worried about the life span of AoC, if they werent in a decent financial situation they wouldnt be releasing an expansion. Games that are in mass decline dont have the money or man power to do it. Look at Warhammer, no news or even the hint of an expansion, and dont fall LoTD an expansion because that was just silly. AoC has more than enough subs to keep itself going and not feel the need to close itself down. Not sure if you have ever played a game that was dying, such as Tabula Rasa, where you could seriously go an entire night without seeing or hearing from another person, which is not the case in AoC.

The free level 50 character aint bad either.

How is that "free lvl 50" ? 

when u reach max lvl u can create a lvl 50 ?

Originally posted by kuhronusu

How is that "free lvl 50" ? 

 

when u reach max lvl u can create a lvl 50 ?

When you hit level 50 on any toon for the first time you can log out and make a new character, when you are done creating it you hit enter game and a popup will appear asking if you want it to be autoleveled to 50. Its a 1 time deal, if you deleat it you dont get it back so make sure its something you want to keep. it also starts you off with a full set of gear and 1.5 gold to help you get started.

Fury server [EU]

After merges 6 instances of Kheshatta peak times.
At the moment maximum of 2, often 1 peak times.

No idea at all about the American servers, but I can say as a long time subscriber, since pre-release. AoC Fury server [EU] is haemorrhaging players at an alarming rate.

If you are into pvp, then end game content consists of rolling yet another alt.

We pvp'ers keep hoping that the next patch will be the one to bring people back. Unfortunately we are still waiting. Sad but true.

If you want to pve, then yes fine, if you want to pvp casually that's fine too. You will have a blast. If you want to get to 80, and do sieges, have meaningful pvp and see some sort of tangible rewards for your efforts, stay away.

Wait for the next patch...or the one after that..or perhaps the one after that. Just like the rest of have been doing.

I will agree that pvp does left a lot to be desired for a multitude of reasons and do offer a lot in terms of how far they could be developed. While the mini games are fun, no one ever really does them as they dont offer much of a reward, and ghosting  is getting out of hand. I am hoping with the 1.6 patch and the addition of pvp towers, that will change. I also am hoping a wide range of pvp options come with the expansion.

people who don't do minis don't do them "not because there is no reward" but because they repeatedly get raped by premades with good setups.

the rewards for minigame pvp is actually much higher than world.

I play on Cimmeria and I always see people running around.  My guild has regular events and raids.  They train their members to work together.  I even get ganked on occasion nowadays, though not as much as Nov2008 to Feb2009.  :-)  In a way, this is a GOOD thing. ;-)

Originally posted by Thorgrimm

I play on Cimmeria and I always see people running around.  My guild has regular events and raids.  They train their members to work together.  I even get ganked on occasion nowadays, though not as much as Nov2008 to Feb2009.  :-)  In a way, this is a GOOD thing. ;-)

Cimmeria is the RP server isnt it ? Does pleople actually do the RP ?

if i start to play i was thinking in the Tyranny, but maybe cimmeria is a good choice too.

Originally posted by kuhronusu

Originally posted by Thorgrimm

I play on Cimmeria and I always see people running around.  My guild has regular events and raids.  They train their members to work together.  I even get ganked on occasion nowadays, though not as much as Nov2008 to Feb2009.  :-)  In a way, this is a GOOD thing. ;-)

Cimmeria is the RP server isnt it ? Does pleople actually do the RP ?

if i start to play i was thinking in the Tyranny, but maybe cimmeria is a good choice too.

Yep it is for PVP. Wicanna is the unofficial RP server for PvE. I play on Wicanna and there are some guilds who are strictly RP. Nice people too.

Originally posted by Blackwell99

Originally posted by kuhronusu

 

 

Sorry but after all my reading, i can't just take it as truth. I don't think the game is the same at launch. As i read, the game got alot of improvements and i read the Expansion Content and changes, i think  Funcom is finally leading the game to success, after all the flaws.... 

But thanks for your opinion anyway =)

 

So let me get this straight...

 

You come in here asking if the game is worth a second chance.

 

Then by the 7th post--of your thread....you made a decision? And then start bragging about how well read you are on the topic of AoC?

Now you are defending AoC? 

 Even though the players who sub to the game are in a TOTAL revolt at this point in time? It'd take you 2 minutes to figure that out on AoC's Official Forums.

C'mon man

I think that kind of transparency would actually offend other Viral Marketers.

 

 

 

Did I miss something while playing my guild on Cimmeria last night ?   ...All the players that sub are in revolt ?   LoL  Blackwell speak for yourself,  oh wait you don't sub to AoC, matter of fact you don't even play MMOs.   

Well speaking as a person that actually plays MMOs ,  AoC has some issues but for me and my Guild it is much more fun to play than the other MMO option around.  See I am not some fanatic fanboi,  I admit the game had serious problems but the only things left are routine issues like class balance,  need for more Raid content, low pop during off hours complaints on some servers and some serious Siege problems that surfaced after the 1.505 patch in October and were patched last week.

All iussues aside,  the game is good :

• It is one of the most graphically detailed MMO available.  The character and environment details are amazing.
• For new players it has one of the best low level (1 -20) areas I have found in any MMO.   Tortage and the low level story line is amaazing.
• The Combat system is deeper than most MMOs,  the combo system and non sticky combat is refreshing after playing the standard MMOs.
• Guilds can build their own cities and soon their will be even more Guild City content.
• Guilds can build and siege Battle Keeps,  siege perfoamce has been a issue but after the recent hotfix things are working fine.

It is a compeltely different game compared to when you played at launch,  you may want to jump on the free trail to brush up on your MMO playing so you can at least try to post with some credibility, instead of haunting the AoC forums like the ghost of Christmas past with your proclaimations of doom and destruction.

Originally posted by kuhronusu

Originally posted by Thorgrimm

I play on Cimmeria and I always see people running around.  My guild has regular events and raids.  They train their members to work together.  I even get ganked on occasion nowadays, though not as much as Nov2008 to Feb2009.  :-)  In a way, this is a GOOD thing. ;-)

Cimmeria is the RP server isnt it ? Does pleople actually do the RP ?

if i start to play i was thinking in the Tyranny, but maybe cimmeria is a good choice too.

Cimmeria is the RP-PvP server.  And yes there are TONs of Guilds that RP.

Check out the server forum for more info.   

http://forums.ageofconan.com/forumdisplay.php?f=55