Originally posted by Ts117

 DR was also promised a new guild, but when the one volunteer that was going to create the guild left because being a volunteer wont feed your family, the idea was scrapped.
 

Notice all the devs do when they come in is defend themselves? They're worse than policians. Come in, tell us everything is fine, and go right back out again. Why not just admit that Simu has an incredibly bad habit of giving false hopes. These false hopes make your customer base get frustrated and leave. You simply can't pull this same shit when you have an MMO, or you won't make any money off of it.

When you promice something, you need to STICK TO IT. There is no 'unless', no 'but', no 'if', no quantifer after that statment guys. It's just fact. If you don't your customer base will stop trusting you, feel just as hurt and betrayed as I do being a long-time Simu fan. You will still have fans, but fans don't pay the bills. I really enjoy your work, but you guys are your own worst enemy.

Originally posted by jgankum

 

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Originally posted by Ts117

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Originally posted by HJ-Diviana
>>This doesnt sound too bad until projects are constantly delayed or altogether forgotten when the volunteer worker has too many real life obligations.<<

 

Actually DR has been having insane amounts of updates lately. It's really nice.

<3 DR

(Oh yeah I totally (and finally) made a new username since MMORPG never changed over my old one like I asked.)

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I never said they didnt recieve updates (which are usually bug fixes), its the larger projects that are often delayed nearly indefinitely or scrapped altogether. In DR, the "new" area, the fifth province, was promised 'soon' in 1999 and it finally opened in mid 2007. As a note on speedy updates, after 10 years of long term experience gain, they will now implement a system to limit the amount of experience one can gain over a set period of time. DR was also promised a new guild, but when the one volunteer that was going to create the guild left because being a volunteer wont feed your family, the idea was scrapped.
If you are expecting a game that is constantly adding new content and not just bug fixes, then I think you will be sorely disappointed.
ps. As I stated earlier, the game was first pitched back in 1999 and has yet to even have a closed beta.

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Your views were valid in the past. If you want to ignore the fact that people are telling you it's not like that anymore, well then your just being pig headed. I've been playing DR since it was only available on GEnie. The level of service and work is NOTHING like you remember. The DR team is fantastic these days.

I've been playing since AOL and just quit as of a few months ago. My points are as valid as ever. If you want to speak currently, then you only have to look what happened to weapon forging. The system is broken and will remain broken until the system is completely rewritten.

Originally posted by simu-solomon


Two things:

1)  No, he didn't.

2)  No, it wasn't.

Making a very long story short:

The Original Necromancer team, for various and sundry reasons, never followed through or completed the guild. I had been given reports that there were large portions of the work finished, at least to some degree. At one point, I was informed that there was at least one guildleader that was able to be asked for abilities and spells. However, a large portion of work that was supposed to have been completed or near completion was apparently never uploaded and "lost" due to "catastrophic hardware failure" or somesuch and there seemed to be no interest in attempts to recover or re-create said code, so what we currently have in the development instance of DR is it.

A second GM wanted to pick up where the first team left off, but is no longer with us, at least for now.

I have had at least two other GMs express significant interest in picking up the project. That's where we stand now and the first task of those GMs, or any other GM who adopts this project, is to inventory the status of the code, NPCs, Areas, etc. and see what needs to be done.

Solomon

My apologies, the guild was not scrapped but the original "team", which was one person,  never uploaded their work and the machine the work was never uploaded to self destructed... But now you have people who are "interested" in picking the project up? Lets see... work started in 2002, zilch to show for it now, one missing person whom never left but isnt there...  so by my calculations the new guild should be out the same time the Mayan calendar predicts the world will end in 2012.

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Originally posted by Valendros
Notice all the devs do when they come in is defend themselves? They're worse than policians. Come in, tell us everything is fine, and go right back out again. Why not just admit that Simu has an incredibly bad habit of giving false hopes. These false hopes make your customer base get frustrated and leave. You simply can't pull this same shit when you have an MMO, or you won't make any money off of it.
When you promice something, you need to STICK TO IT. There is no 'unless', no 'but', no 'if', no quantifer after that statment guys. It's just fact. If you don't your customer base will stop trusting you, feel just as hurt and betrayed as I do being a long-time Simu fan. You will still have fans, but fans don't pay the bills. I really enjoy your work, but you guys are your own worst enemy.

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Originally posted by nigling
If you have never played Gemstone3/DragonRealms or any of the other 4 games they develop then don't disrespect Simutronics commitment to gaming. Trust me when I say "Gemstone4" complexity and gameplay is 100 times far better than Newb games like WorldOfWarcraft. The only game's that came close to GS4/DR was EQ and AsheronCall.

Because the gameplay and charachter complexity is easier to establish in a MUD it will require even more effort to replicate it for an MMORPG game. If Hero's Journey is even half as complex as GS4/DR MUD game was then this MMORPG will blow all the other games outa the water!!!

Look at all the chump MMORPG games coming out in 2007, 'pirates of the carribean', 'LOTR', etc.... NONE OF THESE games will have an impact to the MMORPG genre. When HJ comes out, it'll become the next EQ that everyone's been waiting for! So if it comes out in 2008, its  worth the wait.

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by nigling
If you have never played Gemstone3/DragonRealms or any of the other 4 games they develop then don't disrespect Simutronics commitment to gaming. Trust me when I say "Gemstone4" complexity and gameplay is 100 times far better than Newb games like WorldOfWarcraft. The only game's that came close to GS4/DR was EQ and AsheronCall.

Because the gameplay and charachter complexity is easier to establish in a MUD it will require even more effort to replicate it for an MMORPG game. If Hero's Journey is even half as complex as GS4/DR MUD game was then this MMORPG will blow all the other games outa the water!!!

Look at all the chump MMORPG games coming out in 2007, 'pirates of the carribean', 'LOTR', etc.... NONE OF THESE games will have an impact to the MMORPG genre. When HJ comes out, it'll become the next EQ that everyone's been waiting for! So if it comes out in 2008, its  worth the wait.

i dont think people are waiting for another eq, that type of mmorpg is so old and boring, its time for something new.

Ah I dont think thats what he meant.  He means it will re-define the genre as EQ did back in the day.

I read the title to this thread and thought "Ah flame wars begin" but it hasnt been that bad, really.  All I can say that in high school I played many many many many hours on DragonRealms...I shudder to think about it (along with the $300 AOL bill).  But I still find myself coming back once and a while to start playing but its difficult, because for some reason I killed off my main Paladin character whom I spent so long developing....  (I had FINALLY gotten to unincumbered while wearing a full suit of heavy plate)

I had thought the slow development was a great part of gameplay and challenging but now that I have a career and a life, I dont have the time that I used to play DR though its a great game.  And to be honest when I was playing there were very little updates to the game.  There were invasions to the Crossing and stuff like that, but not much content updates.  It never bothered me because there was so much to do.  But it doesnt surprise me that this game has been so long in development.  Simutronics has been notorious for delayed projects.  But the good thing, I think, is that they always seem to produce a good product, and the customer base has always been a mature one...Well, for the most part. 

As a long time player of Simutronics games I was hoping they would break the cycle of current MMORPGs but with games like Darkfall and AoC coming out Im already starting to see this happen.  I wonder how HJ will fit into the crowd?  Who am I kidding I'll probably play it anyways.  A 3D Elanthia?  How could I not explore that.

Rogun

Originally posted by Valendros

Notice all the devs do when they come in is defend themselves? They're worse than policians. Come in, tell us everything is fine, and go right back out again. Why not just admit that Simu has an incredibly bad habit of giving false hopes. These false hopes make your customer base get frustrated and leave. You simply can't pull this same shit when you have an MMO, or you won't make any money off of it.

When you promice something, you need to STICK TO IT. There is no 'unless', no 'but', no 'if', no quantifer after that statment guys. It's just fact. If you don't your customer base will stop trusting you, feel just as hurt and betrayed as I do being a long-time Simu fan. You will still have fans, but fans don't pay the bills. I really enjoy your work, but you guys are your own worst enemy.

Originally posted by HJ-Diviana

Originally posted by Valendros

Notice all the devs do when they come in is defend themselves? They're worse than policians. Come in, tell us everything is fine, and go right back out again. Why not just admit that Simu has an incredibly bad habit of giving false hopes. These false hopes make your customer base get frustrated and leave. You simply can't pull this same shit when you have an MMO, or you won't make any money off of it.

When you promice something, you need to STICK TO IT. There is no 'unless', no 'but', no 'if', no quantifer after that statment guys. It's just fact. If you don't your customer base will stop trusting you, feel just as hurt and betrayed as I do being a long-time Simu fan. You will still have fans, but fans don't pay the bills. I really enjoy your work, but you guys are your own worst enemy.

We're not defending just ourselves, but something we're working very hard and lovingly on. Please read that carefully. This is something we all love doing, and it's not easy to listen and take insults constantly. We understand you're all frustrated, but other than work really hard, there's nothing we can do.

If you really want interaction with us, you're better off going to the official forums or the Hero's Hall forums. It's a lot more active there.

I would but you never got around to making a halfway readable format, not that you gave a timetable, but you still raised our hopes saying you have purchased the software for the new forums. It's just another example of keeping your public in a constant and steady state of hope, building toward the inevatibility of frustrated let-down.

When it takes me 15 minutes of looking in back logs to find the OP's argument, something is very broken. When I used to read it every day or when the conversation lasts for only 10-15 posts it's a fine system. It's just when it goes back for 200 posts and I'd like to know what you all are talking about that I get screwed up.

I really don't like berating you guys. I really don't. I played your games for a good long time. But i just got frustrated. Remeber that movie, Liar Liar? The kid just didn't trust his father anymore because he'd say they'd go out and play and get let down. My wife never believes we're going somewhere until it actually happens because her father would tell them they are going to disneyland on Friday and never go. These things don't happen from one or two instances of lies. This happens after building up a gradual mistrust of somebody.

I just don't believe Simu when it comes to timetables. and I haven't gotten a decent responce about it yet. Not once. Not even a shrug and a smile. If these policies don't change, this game will flatline faster than Cruman #4 in Captian Kirk's away team. And that's a fact, Jack. I just get so frustrated when I see a company with so much potential, so many great ideas, and such imagination be completely discredited (fairly) because of such a nasty reputation about something as stupid and sticking to your promices.

""When it takes me 15 minutes of looking in back logs to find the OP's argument, something is very broken.""

Yup. User error.

Nothing you have said is unique to Simutronics. It's smiply the nature of the software industry.

The Lady gave you some good advice if you are truly looking for information on this game.

If however, you are simply ere to vent...

Have at it.

PinTBC

Originally posted by jgankum

""When it takes me 15 minutes of looking in back logs to find the OP's argument, something is very broken.""

Yup. User error.

Nothing you have said is unique to Simutronics. It's smiply the nature of the software industry.