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sure. I'm evil. and a bad DM... oh.. and the Devil as well. Now, sorry, i have more players to corrupt and worlds to dominate <insert satanic laughter here>. Oh, let's not forget the players that i abuse every day. Ah yes, i love their screams for mercy in the morning... mmmmmmmhh. "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime" |
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Attention: DDO will be supporting PvP in October That is all.... |
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Yes, you suck as a DM.. Its not evil, not the devil or anything. heck, they at least have some pride. You are just sad. But I am sure the other 11 year olds think yer great, so its not a problem for you. Just.. To cheat in an RPG... No skill at all, just pathetic. Might as well just give them the loot right away, the turn on the telly. Cant believe you play hurt and mistreated after such a sad confession. I have heard 4 year olds playing cowboys and indians follow more rules than that. "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. |
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Lt.Riley
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/31/06
You get what you've got from giving what you have given... |
I DONT THINK ITS AN INSULT TO D&D, WHAT I THINK TURBINE DID WAS CREATE A FOUNDATION FOR AN INCREDIBLE, MMO RPG, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND ARE A HARDCORE D&D PLAYER THERE IS SO MUCH CONTENT TO BE ADDED WHAT ABOUT THE DARKSUN EDITION OF D&D, THE ORIENTAL EDITION , THIS GAME HAS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CONTENT TO BE ADDED, AND REALLY HAS SOME FANTASTIC POTENTIAL, I PERSONALLY THINK ALOT OF PLAYERS OF MMO RPG'S TODAY ARE SO USED TO RUN AND CASH AS IN BLAZE A QUEST AND GET A FAST REWARD WITHOUT EVEN REALLY HAVING TO THINK, A TRUE D&D PLAYER REALLY COULD DO ALOT WITH HIS SKILLS, YES IT TAKES TIME, THIS ISN'T YOUR CARE BEAR MMO RPG. I FIRST TRIED THE GAME ON A TRIAL, ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT, THEN AS I PROGRESSED I REALIZED I HAD CREATED A TYPICAL MMO BARBARIAN, IN D&D YOU GOTTA SET UP A PLAYER'S STATS RIGHT IF YOU WANNA SOLO, I FOUND THAT A BARB SET UP RIGHT COULD SOLO LIKE AN ANIMAL. A ROG/ BAR WAS EVEN BETTER, BUT ONCE AGIAN D&D IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL MMO YOU REALLY GOTTA BE OF ABOVE AVERAGE IQ TO PLAY SOLO, AS IN WHEN IN D&D DID I EVER JUST RUN DOWN A DARK HALLWAY, HELLO STUPID JUST JUMP OF A DARK CLIFF TOO. YES AS ALWAYS MORE CLASSES WOULD BE NICE AS WELL AS MANY OTHER OPTIONS, IN TIME I BELIEVE TURBINE WILL TURN THIS INTO A BETTER GAME THAN W.O.W., WHICH I HAVE YET TO PLAY SO NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM ME ON WOW, BUT SERIOUSLY, IN DDO A ROGUE SET UP RIGHT WILL SOLO A LOT AND YES I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OPTIONAL QUESTS YOU'LL LOSE, BUT THATS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, AS FOR PLAYERS I RAN INTO WERE ABSOLUTELY GREAT, GREAT GROUPS SOME REALLY GOOD LEADERS, AS WELL AS I LOVE THE MIC CHAT FOR QUESTS, OVER ALL I FOUND THE PLAYABILITY QUITE FANTASTIC, I REALLY ENJOYED MAKING LOTSA CHARACTERS AND EXPERIMENTING WITH CROSS CLASSING, IF SOME OF YOU ARE THE HARDCORE D&D PLYAERS YOU SAY YOU ARE THEN LETS HERE SOME OF YOUR BEST SOLO QUESTS, HMM MAYBE ALOT OF YOU ARE HACKER SLASHER TYPES HMMMM....., SO ALL IN ALL THE GAME IS A TEN TO ME DID I SAY 10... YES A 10... AND THANKYOU, EVERYONE AT TURBINE FOR BRINGING AN AWESOME GAME TO THE PC JUST FOR ME.... PS FOR THOSE DDO PRO'S LET'S DO 2 MAN RUNS ON HARDER MISSIONS AND SEE HOW GOOOD SOME OF YOU REALLY ARE, HUH YOU GOT GAME YOU SAY, DOUBT IT CHECK YOUR MOUTH AT THE DOOR WITH YOUR MOMMY IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU GOT NO GAME IT PROBABLY CAUSE YOUR DADDY WEARS LIPSTICK AND YOUR MOMMA WEARS COMBAT BOOTS, Lt.Riley
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necrotherion
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Joined: 12/08/06
"The Pope? How many divisions has he got?" - Joe Stalin |
First, ease up on the Caps Lock there, buddy.
Second: From what I've heard about DDO, they've basically killed the game. I've heard it's terrible, although not too many people were especially keen on providing more information on that. I wholeheartedly agree with the OP, if it's DnD and it doesn't please fans of the friggin' MMO genre, THE MMO GENRE, then you can already begin to call it a disgrace. DnD to me is all about freedom and socializing. You character looks like whatever you want, and can do whatever you can, and a helluva lot more. The DnDO character customization options looked lacking, and once again, you are bound to bits of programming dictating what you can and cannot do. Apparently the game is endless dungeons centered around one city. C'mon, people, what makes for especially good DnD is some variety in the encounters! With the MMO you guys completely missed PvP at launch, as well! *sigh* I had been following the game while it was being developed, and while it looked beautiful, I wasn't too impressed by the features. You need encounters of all kinds; you gotta have roleplaying encounters, puzzle encounters, exploration encounters (and not just dungeon exploration, discovering new cities with their own cultures can be equally exciting as well), etc. DDO features little variety. The game...lets down. |
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Anofalye
Novice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
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Peoples are disgressing and forgotting the MAIN point.
D&D is a RPG.
DDO is an ACTION-MMO with a rpg skin.
Nowhere did they ever say so, they advertise as "real D&D", as a mmoRPG. If the game would have been a RPG rather than an ACTION game, maybe it would have work.
When I hear peoples focusing on silly stuff, I think they are missing the point themselves. D&D is the King of the RPGs. DDO is an ACTION game. Nuff said.
Nobody should be talking about the fries if they got the wrong meal order at a restaurant. If you order sea food and they bring a beef-burger, the side fries hardly matter! It's hardly matter if the burger is actually good or not, the whole point is that you order sea food and they bring something else. Is it an insult to call it a D&D product? Nah, however there definitely need to be more information about the fact it ISNT a rpg as someone would expect it to be. By-products are always welcome, but they have to advertise as by-products, a Star Wars shirt is always welcome, but it isn't a video game nor a movie, but a shirt. In the case of a video game, it is easy to let's peoples believe it is another genre, and you really shouldn't...it has to be clear that this is an action game, not a rpg. - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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CaptainRPG
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Joined: 8/04/05
"Even if there is a 99% chance you''ll fail, you still have 1% chance to achieve something." |
Is it an insult to call this game D&D. Yes because aspects of DnD in this game are either missing or don't function properly in this MMO. I'll say this once and I'll say again; DnD cannot be cannot be translated into a game because it's game whose world is based on and limited by dice, numbers and imagination. In order to turn DnD into a game everyone would like to play, you would need to take out aspects that make DnD into the great game it is.
And if you did that, the game wouldn't be DnD anymore. DDO is neither a rpg or action game. Action games have no rpg aspect, they are pretty much beat'em or hack n' slash. RPG games give you choices as to how you direct your character's outcome. DDO has neither of these elements, but rather it's a MMORPG clone. It doesn't bring anything new to the gameplay that haven't seen in other MMORPGs and the DnD aspects are lacking in this game. DDO is simply a MMORPG using a famous name to draw in zealot fanboys. |
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I wouldn't call it an insult to D&D. I would say that the game needs improvements without a doubt. The creators took on a very lofty feat of trying to create a more action oriented MMORPG that was based off Dungeons and Dragons.
I've played quite a few MMORPGs and this one was not one of the best but I feel that as long as Turbine continues to try and improve their game I see nothing wrong with it. I feel that a lot of the areas of dissatisfaction come from the fact that D&D campaigns can be so varied. Some do have permadeath and PvP. It really is a matter of what type of DM and what type of player you prefer to be. You can't please everyone with such a range of options. As far as the no freedom, I agree that D&D left me a unsatisfied with my options of how my character could interact with the NPCs. But there is also a limited sort of freedom that comes with any RPG since the idea is that you follow a main story. Certainly there are side things to do but in the end the main story is what moves things forward. As far as the instanced dungeons, I had no real problems with them. I personally feel that the RPG part comes not just from the game but from the player. If you choose to just run through the dungeon then that is your choice but if you choose to join a group and role play through it then that is also your choice. I think people forget that it's up to them to do a little roleplaying too. The computer can make the look, give the quest, and create the setting but you have to bring your character to life and add that personality. (Also, simply from a game play type of view I personally prefer instanced dungeons since you don't have to compete as much with other players. I find it reduces camping.) That's just my 2 cents on the matter. All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor; duty; mercy; hope. ~Sir Winston Churchill |
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If you want permadeath then when you die. Log out, delete toon and start again. Roleplaying is all about communal storytelling. Any roleplayer will tell you that. Rules Lawyers however...they're the ones who use the rules to pass off their playstyle as the only one which is ever 'right'. Personally I'm glad of the rules lawyers. For without them there'd be no yardstick with which to measure good solid roleplay.
D&D is a decent game. Sure it needs work. Like better interaction with the environment, the ability to actually have your PC play any role in the world you choose. If a game ac tually gave us the tools for communal storytelling then the niche market would have a place and could simply fade away from the rules lawyers completely. As long as the DM and players are having fun then all is well. No idiot no matter how bad their english has a right to tell anyone who to play any game. If you think you do you got more issues then what constitues a good game. |
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The fact of the matter is, DnD is many things, it depends on how you play it. There is no single correct way to play, interpretation is what counts. Bearing that in mind, a real life DnD game could be exactly like DnD Online if the DM did not allow players too much freedom.
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I think you're ducking the issue that Turbine deliever bad quality with DDO.
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DDO is D&D simply put what I consider D&D is the table , the dice , the paper and pencils and your friends followed by your imagination and a bit of pretending to be that goodly priest or that evil power hungry wizard. A good RPG( ROLE PLAYING GAME ) note the ROLE PLAYING-----pretending , acting being not who you are in real life. Now you cannot get that feeling in a MMO game as they aren't not built that way they are all over glorfied hack and slash period. This my opinion and no ammount of complaining can change that for me when I think of D&D i remember the days sittin in the "game room" with my chums somedays that involved total cooperation and somedays there was treachery amongst us at every turn. A Dungeons and Dragons game can never be fully mimiced by any software as the key ingredients are just not there. That being said I like MMOs but will never ever kid myself and think anyone of them is a role playing game as they really are not.
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skullker
Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/16/07
if their is an injustice anywhere their is an injustice everywhere |
Worst game I ever saw online go in a dungeon and its lit up like las vegas all the dungeons look the same its CRAP it s one big loot run they forgot to make the game in 2 months I been everywhere and saw everything had all the best items and it was so easy that I now look bavk at it as it can only be a ruse so that turbine make money from suckers to pay the cost of their epic LOTRO I cant see any other reason for this game being here out of 10 I give it a 2.5 if you can get through the whole game by 2 months who do they expect to keep as customers nobody they expect them all to be out of D&D and into LOTRO as soon as it hits the stands its beyond imagination how bad this game is
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Yes, it fell short of the mark to say the least, and it's definitely an insult to more than a few people. But all those people who proclaim over and over again that it's just not possible to recreate the magic of a D&D session in a computer game are wrong. There are huge obstacles, yes. But they are not insurmountable. What are some of these obstacles? Let's see.. there's regulating the passage of game world time, the pace of the action or advancement, the ability to effect a living world and a response from the world itself. Sounds like a job for the human brain! What about a DM for every ten players or so, and a -very- flexible game system? What kind of monthly fee would be acceptable for that, I wonder? You want to tie a rope around your halfling buddy and chuck him across that chasm? (Who hasn't?) DM to the rescue! Here is a glaring contradiction: D&D has always been limited by imagination. The real insult here comes from the people who impose the limitations of their own imagination of other's. Of course that's easy to say when it's not your lively hood being risked by some crackpot game designer.
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Originally posted by gurthgor Ahahaha! I'd hate to play with your DM. DnD is one of the worst games for PvP. The balance is way off. More importantly, the designers never made an effort to balance it, either. So what about the instances? DnD doesn't scale to MMO levels very well. It has always been about small groups adventuring. As for permadeath... Are you a masochist? Do you only enjoy things when they're painful? Of the dozens of campaigns I have played, I've never had to worry about permadeath. The DM has ALWAYS made sure there was a way to avoid dying or being resurrected. You know, like a DM should. Permadeath is just a mechanic to kill a campaign. It makes even less sense in an MMO considering the fact that you don't have a DM sitting there with you who can decide "Gee, maybe I should scale back the number of zombies a bit in the next encounter." Now, if you want to talk about poor adaptations of DnD, look at Neverwinter Nights 2. It's a fun game and all, but the very core of why you would make a CRPG of DnD is customization, and that game really likes to hamper that. I mean, Monk unarmed damage is hard coded into the friggin' engine! I don't think DDO is the best translation of DnD to an MMO, but at the same time, I don't think even the best translation would fair very well as an MMO. It inherently loses a lot of the appeal of PnP DnD, which is complete free-form adventures that you create. We are a long ways off from being able to replicate a decent DM, complete with creative thought processes, in a CRPG of any sort, let alone an MMO. So go ahead and complain all you want, but you're just looking like a fool. You completely miss the point of DnD as a whole. |
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I think that D&D Online merely adapted to how most RPGs are made nowadays, with long term sustainability in mind. I'm sure the Wizards of the Coast wanted to earn from it and gamers wanted to play more of it so revival was a necessary input. As for the lack of PvP, I think that this was made so that D&D Online wouldn't feel like a a grindfest. Let's face it, D&D may be the first RPG but it certainly isn't the first MMORPG (this doesn't include D&D over IRC and IM programs) so it has to adapt to survive or die. Play Atlantica Online instead, dammit! |
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xBlackSabbat
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Joined: 5/26/07
its not the great who are strong, its the strong who are great. |
Yeah.. I tried this game for the simple fact that I play DnD irl... I was sadly dissapointed. There is not anything new or exciting about this game.
[And yes.. Atlantica Online is amazing. But they really try and push you to pvp.. Which is annoying.. And the higher levels get to where you almost always need a teammate to help. But all in all.. Love it! :D] ~wooh~ |
Originally posted by gurthgor
True enough. Also, they screwed up every aspect of the D20 system with this abortion. I played at launch, and again recently. This isnt D&D. Its suck. End. |
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