The best way to play DDO is make friends and play with them, everything in the game except for a few raids can be ran with like 3 or 4, 5 people, totally shorthanded.

Then this whole conflict becomes meaningless; you won't have to deal with the rest of the community except trading and occassional pugging.

Originally posted by Angelbound

So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.

 

There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.

 

Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.

Why don't you just join a guild of like minded people?

I know that seems like a pat answer but it's the right answer.

go to the forums for the server you are on and do a bit of research into which guilds are recruiting and what they are about.

I highly doubt that everyone who plays ddo approaches the game the same way.

in all honesty ALL mmo's have PLENTY of stupid, rude, hateful players. If you are haning ing around in world/general chat, thats your problem right there. Like the previous poster says, get into a good guild and get out of general chat.

Originally posted by ianicus

in all honesty ALL mmo's have PLENTY of stupid, rude, hateful players. If you are haning ing around in world/general chat, thats your problem right there. Like the previous poster says, get into a good guild and get out of general chat.

Which is what they are doing in WoW. Yet you have forums like this and others who complain that WoW has the worse community. If anything this proves that DDO's community is no different.

Originally posted by gordiflu

Well, and what if people do not like your build? Do they have to get you in team regardless? Are you going to force them to play with you?

 Hmm..It shoudnt make a diffrence if you or your group dislikes a particular build..It's a game and that is all that is really important..

But sadly no one is going to force you to play with him..

/Junker 

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by gordiflu

Well, and what if people do not like your build? Do they have to get you in team regardless? Are you going to force them to play with you?

 Hmm..It shoudnt make a diffrence if you or your group dislikes a particular build..It's a game and that is all that is really important..

But sadly no one is going to force you to play with him..

 

/Junker 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed, you don't have to party with the person, but the problem is, there is warning or sign that there be an elitist jerk in the group when you answer an ad. The only thing you can do is answer the ad and hope such a person doesn't exist within the group.

Originally posted by Nethermancer

I played DDO for a while about 6 months ago and i had a great time. I think the key it to get into a good guild and just dungeon crawl with them. And avoid the groups with names like "LEET ONLY ULTRA FAST RUNS!!!!!"

 Yeah, this here. I only really see the elitists and nut jobs in general chat (before squelching their whiny noise). DDO has by far the most relaxed population of gamers I've seen in years, and if you post in Advice chat about optimal build choices you'll usually get a lot of "there is no one right path" responses. I don't group much in DDO (I prefer to solo) but I've never been in a group that even cared that my character was a custom build, actually.

That said, I do periodically encounter people who get worked up over a few specific things: battle clerics get a bad rap, because people go in with a preconception that Cleric=healbot, and some players get really obsessed with optimized builds, but they tend to rather cliqueishly stick together in their snobby little guilds (as Nethermancer is indicating above!) that makes it easy to identify them. If you meet someone who's obsessed with some sort of warforged monk/sorcerer/rogue build....you might be looking at one of these optimizers.

In the end, all I can say is, "I see fewer optimizers and min/maxers in DDO than I do in the paper and pencil version of D&D," at least online in forums, which is frankly amazing.

Originally posted by ianicus

in all honesty ALL mmo's have PLENTY of stupid, rude, hateful players. If you are haning ing around in world/general chat, thats your problem right there. Like the previous poster says, get into a good guild and get out of general chat.

 It's a little known fact that GENERAL chat is an acronym:

Godawful

Evil

Nutjobs

Engaging in

Ribald

Asshattery and

Lewd behavior

;)

on multi-classing

Its not always bad as someone as already mentioned.  however, its much harder to achieve a good build through multi-classing because if your say a lvl 6 fighter level 6 rogue...you can't fight as well as a level 12 fighter nor can you perfrom rogue skills as well as a level 12 rogue (you see where I am going with this?).  What makes a good multi-class build is synergies between certain classes and being able to make the most of them.  Sometimes you can mix two classes that could work well together but you might spend one level too much in one or the other and suddenly you went from a hero to a zero.  Character builds in DDO is an artform, one I haven't yet mastered myself.  

Now as for the OP...

see my above statements about character building being a hard to master artform.  that's really what it boils down to. Bad builds can lead to deaths that drain a parties resources.  Potions, wands and scrolls are expensive if you have to use a ton of them just to keep your bard alive etc.  Plus, there are only so many rest shrines that can only be used every 15 mins (i think thats the min limit).  So if your parties healer or buffer is having to make up for your character build before tackling the big fights they may not have the mana they need to carry the party to victory afterward.

Does elitism suck, absolutely...but unfortunately sometimes its neccessary to a degree.

Originally posted by Tyrranosaur

Originally posted by ianicus

in all honesty ALL mmo's have PLENTY of stupid, rude, hateful players. If you are haning ing around in world/general chat, thats your problem right there. Like the previous poster says, get into a good guild and get out of general chat.

 It's a little known fact that GENERAL chat is an acronym:

Godawful

Evil

Nutjobs

Engaging in

Ribald

Asshattery and

Lewd behavior

 

;)

LOL!!!

You win the thread

The zerg runs are crazy... knock things down, run to the next, screw healer recycle time.  If you're new to a mission and get lost they just leave you behind.

After a few of these, I just started soloing... then left out of boredom.

Originally posted by ActionMMORPG

The zerg runs are crazy... knock things down, run to the next, screw healer recycle time.  If you're new to a mission and get lost they just leave you behind.

 

After a few of these, I just started soloing... then left out of boredom.

 Unfortunatesly DDO has limited content. New players should avoid those groups at all costs. The game is fun but not fun if you want to learn and are in a group that is out to get it done fast.

Its not being elitist to play the game at my own pace.

I think you display an elitist attitude by expecting me to slow down, hold your hand, and make sure you don't get lost.

Most of these groups are clearly marked as zerg, BYoH or something to that effect. You are expected to conform to group standards. The group should not conform to your playstyle. Especially, if you're not the leader, who, btw, sets the pace.

I was once a newbie, too, and had to learn by grouping with other newbs or vets who enjoyed playing at a slow pace, or, god forbid, I had to keep up with the group and not lag behind.

Can't log in to Khyber, server full. :D

Actually I'm quite proud of the game I'm playing right now, I'm not bothered if I can't get in atm as it means the game is doing well.

Nurse get my medicine. I having one of those flash back epicodes from my healer days in WoW again.

Originally posted by Angelbound

So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.

 

There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.

 

Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.

lol 'being horrible' does not mean 'im unique' I tjust means your horrible.

Don't blame THEM if u get booted cuz your rog has 200 hp at lv 20.

I do not use cookie cutter builds but I have not yet been booted/denied cuz 'i use a staff and a staff is the lowest dps weapon'

You CAN make very unique builds, but if you SUCK, its not because u 'don't have a cookie cutter build' tis cuz you SUCK!

Im sorry if this shrinks your epeen, but ddo (while it has its failings, and LOTS of those) has so many options while making that you CAN stand out and be diffrent than the others AND do a great job. Just look at the bards who tank lailat in edq. The rogs who wade though elite amrath quests and lead the kill counts. The clerics who solo ToD/VoD. ETC.

None of the 'top' players are running 'cookie cutter' builds. Its the people that follow THEM and try to emulate THEM that come up with the 'thats the xxxxx build'

Then people like you who come along much later who say 'oh that xxxx build is cookie cutter'

be original and don't fail, and u will be known.

Ofc you will find people like that in all games. But the amount of people like that is far lower in DDO, than in wow. I don't think anyone can dispute that, but assholes are everywhere unfortunately.

To avoid stupid speedruns just do instances with guildies. I hate inpatiencec players, plague to every MMO there is.

Originally posted by Escargon

To avoid stupid speedruns just do instances with guildies. I hate inpatiencec players, plague to every MMO there is.

 When you have played the game for years there is no reason not to do speed runs. Going slow for no reason is not fun.

That said if you like going slow or are new to a quest I suggest finding like minded people to avoid having your experience and fun ruined by those who do not want to go slow.

The game has little to do with the community... the modern MMO culture is pretty ugly right through the genre.

Older games, ttose that arnt the shiny new thing and don't attract to fickle hype victims, tend to be better, but even thats no guarantee.

I tried EQ2 again recently, for which the Guk server has a generally awesome community, but saw by being convinced to try the Atonia bayle server that this game can have a community thats every bit as bad as WoW's as well. It was awful, just full of dicks.

The point I am making is that it's not DDOsor WoW's communities that suck, it's the general online gaming culture that's crap. Your lucky to find an oasis of decency now and again is all.