So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.

There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.

Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.

It seems there is a massive influx of people like that these days. There are enough sane people that I never have to deal with them for long.

Well, and what if people do not like your build? Do they have to get you in team regardless? Are you going to force them to play with you?

1. Welcome to the internet. People are jerks.

2. Welcome to gaming, where the optimal choice (regardless how slight) becomes the only choice.

It's been this way since forever pretty much, anyone who thinks this is a new thing must have been living in a cave.  I remember playing games like Dark Queen of Krynn and discussing which spells were the ones worth learning, and why get a white robe mage when having a red robe mage was superior. Blah blah blah it goes on and on.

Even outside of video games this was true. Certain characters were the "best" in Talisman, and MTG had decks like Necropotence, Statis, Ernageddon, and so on. Fact of life.

I played DDO for a while about 6 months ago and i had a great time. I think the key it to get into a good guild and just dungeon crawl with them. And avoid the groups with names like "LEET ONLY ULTRA FAST RUNS!!!!!"

Of course, not but there is a differance between gimped and not gimped and just a fun and decent performing build, no one should be forced alone just because everyone wants to be a jerk, and they can atleast say in the chat they only want a specific build in the first place that is there responsibility come on use your head dude, they are the real jerks here not me.

Anyways I disagree im an eq1 vet and hardly had that issue until much later after quite a few expansions. You do not need to welcome me to the internet, please I do not need that lecture its no excuse for people to act like primitive cavemen/women.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

And people seriously wonder why so many people would rather solo these days?

Originally posted by Angelbound

So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.

 

There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.

 

Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.

 Sadly the DDO community went to shit the day they opened the F2P door. People think you need this or that to complete quests in DDO. So not true. DDO is so easy to play these days that good players can take any mish mash group and cakewalk almost the entire game. Of course convincing the people you ran into of that is nothing short of impossible.

I saw a post for a new guild that was taking any build, also one for gimped toons so there are those out there that still know it's just a game and suppose to be fun.

I think alot of the 'must have X build' types are really just those that don't know how to play.  They were the same people that over the Halloween event just had to go to a certain spot in the graveyard with a certain mix of levels to farm the most drops and have the best chance of getting into the end dungeon.  Those types aren't playing a game anymore, it's just a different form of work.

The one's that actually had fun were those of us; running around like headless chickens, attacking whatever popped up! LOL!!!

Originally posted by Nebless

I saw a post for a new guild that was taking any build, also one for gimped toons so there are those out there that still know it's just a game and suppose to be fun.

I think alot of the 'must have X build' types are really just those that don't know how to play.  They were the same people that over the Halloween event just had to go to a certain spot in the graveyard with a certain mix of levels to farm the most drops and have the best chance of getting into the end dungeon.  Those types aren't playing a game anymore, it's just a different form of work.

The one's that actually had fun were those of us; running around like headless chickens, attacking whatever popped up! LOL!!!

 There was, might still be, a guild called G.I.M.P. Get Into Multiclass Project. The entire guild was based on random rolls for classes. You rolled from building the character until level 20. Every level you rolled for your c lass. So by level 3 you might be done with classes but every level after that decided your split. You might get lucky and get 18-1-1 or you might get 7-7-6. You might be a wizard, sorc, barbarian. The entire idea was to see how bad random rolls could build a character and if the game was still playable.

Originally posted by Angelbound

So here I come thinking I can pretty much make anything I want as long as it performs decent, boy was I wrong everyone goes for the max build, and if they find out you do not have the cookie cutter builds its /boot for you! They claim to hate wow and accuse others of being a wow fanboy yada yada yada, oh the irony wow the irony simply is amazing. These people are just as bad with cookie cutter builds as they are in wow.

 

There is to many elitists in this game now, and I will never understand why there are so many elitists in mmos now, its either immature jerk elitists or the mature super jerk elitists now days.

 

Thats just pathetic, anyways rant off, and this is only towards well so far allot of the population in ddo, of course not everyone there is that way met a few nice ones.

You'll meet lots of different peoples. At level cap people do epic difficulty quests now. In such a setting it might happen that you get rejected if you don't meet certain criteria. Dunno who made up certain criterias, but they are mainly used to distinguish people who have played for some time from newcomers. It seems that's common to most MMOs out there.

The quests aren't that hard, especially if you have run them a few times. The more experienced players will rather experiment with non-cooky cutter builds. If you know the quests, are prepared (potions and stuff) and have some decent equipment it shouldn't really be an issue running quests. Even if you don't know a specific quest it shouldn't be that hard because NPC/monster behaviour isn't going to change in any significant way.

But still you may still run into people you won't get along with.

That elitist attitude for me comes from the TR'd people (True Reincarnation) They think they are elite b/c they have little wings beside there name. Turbine has set DDO up for this attitude to be prevalent. 

I noticed it to when I played the game. I do not think it has anything to do with F2P though.I think it is the 3d rules and stuff that some people think they are experts of that create this sub society of snobs with build requirements.

Elitism and the min/max mentality did not originate in, nor are they in any way derived from WoW.   They are individual personality traits connected with how seriously and competitively those players intend to play their games.  You can find these players in any and every online game.  Furthermore, any one of these players may like or dislike any other online game.  It is not at all hypocritical for an elitist min/max player to dislike WoW.  

You can very easily mess up your character in DDO and you probably will not realize untill you make another, better character, because large part of game is very easy. Also, the game is old and the grinds present are deceptively long, it is bothersome to argue with someone new and undergeared over something you did ten times on every class possible and can solo it anyway, just making party for the fun.

Personally I met mostly nice people and had no trouble on what I now know are characters with fundamentally flawed builds. Then again I am smarter than the average bear and I can switch from leader to follower on a dime.

My latest was battlecleric multiclass with 10 con and it grouped just fine and never encountered any of the famous battlecleric hate even if people ended up dead (well OK it is not even battlecleric, that would be cookie cutter, but he plays like one). Probably because while the build is flawed it is not total nonsense and I did what I could with the tools at my disposal.

Originally posted by Nethermancer

That elitist attitude for me comes from the TR'd people (True Reincarnation) They think they are elite b/c they have little wings beside there name. Turbine has set DDO up for this attitude to be prevalent. 

 I highly doubt the wings are why they think they are elite. You are painting with a wide brush here for no reason. The elite attitude was around long before TR. Trust me it was present in 2006 soon after the game was released. TR has nothing to do with it. You may meet TR people with that attitude but TR itself is not the cause. Turbine is not to blame either. People as individuals are to blame.

Hi guys! :D

Yes i hate elitists so much, been one myself when i was 15 and playing diablo where there were alot of newbs.

(Im 21 now;))

I recently started playing DDO and man im a total newb at these stuffs. I have been playing games like WoW, Guild Wars and Diablo 2, but this game is totally new for me.

The items stats are weird, and the description is new to me to. 5% Save, uh what? And so on. The skills are weird to, skills such as sneaking, stealthing and tricking other npcs. Lol, im so newb its embarrassing!

But i dont want any help, i like to learn by myself. The elitists may be very very rude and immature people, but they teach me alot still. I have to learn by "my own mistakes", not that it was really my fault, but thanks to Elitists im getting good at different games really fast. But i still hate them. Im pretty sure i will meet alot now when i try to learn what the H save rolls means. As i said, dont tell me, im learning myself. Thats how i am as a person. Learn your mistakes and never be ashamed of yourself:)

And i dislike people in other games hating WoW and WoW players hating other games. Dude, ive been playing WoW, and unlike many i dont say that other similar games sucks when i play games. Both sides are very immature. Its a trend either hating WoW while playing other games or hating other games while playing WoW.

Its like bands, Limp Bizkit hates Linkin Park while i love them both for example. Sure, you can hate Bieber and his Rock Lee hair style, but man, i cant belivie people actually hate similar bands. My question is: Why the H wont you listen to them both instead? Not much difference, maybe styles but the songs are identical and almost every band has its good songs. I kinda dislike haters..:)

The reason DDO's community is so cranky is because:

If the group gets wiped in a dungeon, then you get 0 xp since monsters don't give you xp, only finishing an instance does. Because of that, a bad group can be a potentially huge waste of time when it comes to character progression.

The community is perceived as bad because people will get rejected from groups, and people will assume all kinds of things because of it. It is important to have a balanced group in DDO, and sometimes you have several people of the same job class requesting to get into your group, and somebody has to be denied. Moreover, if you are someone who starts a groups often, and takes anyone, and leads unbalanced groups to their death--you will get a bad reputation and nobody will join your groups anymore. So, discriminate, you must.

It is also easy to gimp your character. Veteran's will warn you sternly about multiclassing your character and this makes people who feel like they want the freedom to play the game their way upset. But, that is just how the game works. The Vets are just trying to warn you, for your benefit, so that you won't hit a rut that is impossible to overcome.

why multiclass is bad?