Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Patience said on the LotrO forum the reason why its so quiet about LotrO right now is because Turbines marketing and community team is focusing on the launch of DDO:EU so that probably means that it will be similar to what we saw around MoM launch where they had big adds on most gaming sites.

It would be pretty stupid to spend this much money and effort on something this big and then not do any advertising for it.

 

One of the things so many question is Turbines upper management savvy and intelligence. Moves like this are kind of par for the course with them. Great game developing coupled with poor decisions and management are the reason DDO has the distinction of best MMO no one is playing. Advertising the hell out of this relaunch should be mandatory for them, but we are two weeks from the date and unless you read the press and interviews(lots of them so that was good at least)  you would have no clue they were doing a major relaunch in two weeks time.

 

Whats the point advertising before launching? None!

The thing you want with adds is that people see them and then go to the website, dowload the game and try it out. Nobody is going to care about an add saying "We are releasing this in 2 weeks please come back then", thats just a waste of money.

+Advertising is expensive, thats why you dont see alot of MMOs doing any at all. Did you see any adds for EQ2s last expansion for example? IMO the fact that Turbines upper managment decided to re-launch DDO like they will is an example that they are pretty smart after all ;) They had a choice between just keep adding content to a slowly dying game and keep the vets happy untill they close down or invest in the game and give it a new chance. I think they made the right choice.

 

So I am going to guess you have done no advertising or marketing in your entire life. Leading up to launch by building up and advertising is done every day in the business world. You obviously do not participate in such and may not understand. A huge relaunch like this with no advertising as the date approaches is not a great idea.
 

 I dont work with marketing no, (and I really hope you dont either)  but I use my common sense here... Reading this thread it seems like you are the one who have a hard time understanding things. From my point of view it seems alot smarter to market something when its on the market for people to try it. You really think that some adds are going to build up hype for a re-launch??

Ads with the launch date on them right now would be building the potential play base. People could be Dl the trial ahead of time and going to the site. Having nothing as the date approaches is not a good idea.

 Eh maybe they want people to try the game after EU launches and not before?

Comparing EQ2s last expansion to DDOs entire new pay method and a huge expansion is showing you have no marketing or business background. It is fine not to know, but showing ignorance and being proud are not.

Just wow man! get of your high horse and come back down to earth please... Now I see why there is no point arguing with you, anyone who doesnt share your opinion is Ignorant, stupid, a fanboy. You back up nothing of what you say with facts but still you call people ignorant? Again Im using common sense. Releasing an expansion is not comparable to re-launching??? Ok then... If that is ignorance then yea, Im proud of it...

By the way I see plenty of F2P games with banner on many sites. Are you telling me DDO could not do this with its launch date included? Why do fanboys defend failure? Right now is the time to start getting the banner ads onto gaming sites. If a game like Evony can run a banner on MMORPG.com every day then so can DDO, which could trumpet all the changes and build excitement.

Eh so now Im a Fanboy who defend failure? Man you really are something! You think its smart to have adds before release, I dont, I think its stupid and I dont have to work with advertising to see how stupid it would be. Seems like namecalling and being a jerk is the only thing you are going to contribute to this disscussion.

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

 

All those games you named advertised way before release. That is how you build interest. If you want to argue with me at least have some idea of reality. Those companies advertised before release and after, that is how success is built. Right now Turbine is doing the remeber us in two weeks thing because they are not putting up ads and the interviews are obviously much fewer compared to the week or so after announcement. Keeping DDO in potential players minds is what is needed. Pre orders or not no advertising because the product is not for sale is BS, since you can still buy and subscribe to DDO, you are aware the game still operates right? So advertising the game they have would still be win/win. Thank you for proving me right by not trying.
 

I did not call you ignorant for not agreeing, I called you ignorant for not having a clue how it works but still refusing to educate yourself and then making up examples that prove your theory wrong. That is the definition of ignorance. You want sources? Try looking up any ad for a game not yet released, you know like every major MMO ever has done at some point.

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

 

All those games you named advertised way before release. That is how you build interest. If you want to argue with me at least have some idea of reality. Those companies advertised before release and after, that is how success is built. Right now Turbine is doing the remeber us in two weeks thing because they are not putting up ads and the interviews are obviously much fewer compared to the week or so after announcement. Keeping DDO in potential players minds is what is needed. Pre orders or not no advertising because the product is not for sale is BS, since you can still buy and subscribe to DDO, you are aware the game still operates right? So advertising the game they have would still be win/win. Thank you for proving me right by not trying.
 

 You are making no sense.. You claimed that games dont advertise after launch but 99% of the adds here are for released games and they all say "PLAYFOR FREE NOW" not "PLAY FOR FREE BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 WEEKS" so that people can go and play their game. Yea people can play the game now but they want to attract people to DDO:EU so why start advetise for it before they launch it?? Im sure they could do advertising both pre-launch and after launch but if you have to choose one then its ALOT smarter to do it after launch when people can click the add and then play the game 15 minutes later. You do know that it costs money to advertise right? You just want to argue for the sake of arguing and call people stupid when they dont agree but still you dont offer any arguments or examples to the discussion.

I did not call you ignorant for not agreeing, I called you ignorant for not having a clue how it works but still refusing to educate yourself and then making up examples that prove your theory wrong. That is the definition of ignorance. You want sources? Try looking up any ad for a game not yet released, you know like every major MMO ever has done at some point.

DDO have been released for 3 years so its not like they are going to create any hype by having adds. They want to have adds that ACTUALLY SELL THE GAME since thats what advertising is for, if that makes me stupid and ignorant then fine. See any adds for Champions or Aion here? No its all released games. The way you just twist words makes me think you would do much better in politics than marketing...

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

 

All those games you named advertised way before release. That is how you build interest. If you want to argue with me at least have some idea of reality. Those companies advertised before release and after, that is how success is built. Right now Turbine is doing the remeber us in two weeks thing because they are not putting up ads and the interviews are obviously much fewer compared to the week or so after announcement. Keeping DDO in potential players minds is what is needed. Pre orders or not no advertising because the product is not for sale is BS, since you can still buy and subscribe to DDO, you are aware the game still operates right? So advertising the game they have would still be win/win. Thank you for proving me right by not trying.
 

 You are making no sense.. You claimed that games dont advertise after launch but 99% of the adds here are for released games and they all say "PLAYFOR FREE NOW" not "PLAY FOR FREE BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 WEEKS" so that people can go and play their game. Yea people can play the game now but they want to attract people to DDO:EU so why start advetise for it before they launch it?? Im sure they could do advertising both pre-launch and after launch but if you have to choose one then its ALOT smarter to do it after launch when people can click the add and then play the game 15 minutes later. You do know that it costs money to advertise right? You just want to argue for the sake of arguing and call people stupid when they dont agree but still you dont offer any arguments or examples to the discussion.

I did not call you ignorant for not agreeing, I called you ignorant for not having a clue how it works but still refusing to educate yourself and then making up examples that prove your theory wrong. That is the definition of ignorance. You want sources? Try looking up any ad for a game not yet released, you know like every major MMO ever has done at some point.

DDO have been released for 3 years so its not like they are going to create any hype by having adds. They want to have adds that ACTUALLY SELL THE GAME since thats what advertising is for, if that makes me stupid and ignorant then fine. See any adds for Champions or Aion here? No its all released games. The way you just twist words makes me think you would do much better in politics than marketing...

 

Lets start slowly and explain so you undersatand. I never said games do not advertise after launch, I said you do not start advertising then. Of course you continue to advertise for as long as the money spent is worthwhile. You keep saying it is ALOT smarter to wait but the fact is everyday life proves you wrong. You want examples look at the banners on this site for games starting closed beta, open betas and games comign soon. It happens every single day with games and other products.
 

YOU can play DDO now as a matter of fact if you join now you can get in the beta for the remaining time with no beta key. Sorry but the one here arguing with no basis and just to argue is you.

So DDO changing to EU and advertising will now build any hype? So why bother changing then? Obviously you fail to see the big changes they are making that are certainly worth advertising to people who as of now do not play DDO. As for Aion yes there are banners ont his site for it. Maybe you shoud research your subject better before trying to claim your made up numbers as facts. All you are doing is making my statement that you are ignorant even more right each post.

 EDIT: In this section Papadam I will be listing the games on this site that advertise before release. Since  I posted I saw an ad for Champions Online(that means both Aion and Champions, two games you said do not advertise are both on this site so you are wrong) and a game called Wonder Kings that is in closed beta. Below I will list all games I see and then we can find out how far off your 99% claim is. This might be a good time for you to say you were wrong. I doubt you have that ability.

1. Aion

2. Champions Online

3. Wonder King

4. Sudden Attack. This game is advertising a pre open beta starting on July 28th.

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

 

All those games you named advertised way before release. That is how you build interest. If you want to argue with me at least have some idea of reality. Those companies advertised before release and after, that is how success is built. Right now Turbine is doing the remeber us in two weeks thing because they are not putting up ads and the interviews are obviously much fewer compared to the week or so after announcement. Keeping DDO in potential players minds is what is needed. Pre orders or not no advertising because the product is not for sale is BS, since you can still buy and subscribe to DDO, you are aware the game still operates right? So advertising the game they have would still be win/win. Thank you for proving me right by not trying.
 

 You are making no sense.. You claimed that games dont advertise after launch but 99% of the adds here are for released games and they all say "PLAYFOR FREE NOW" not "PLAY FOR FREE BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 WEEKS" so that people can go and play their game. Yea people can play the game now but they want to attract people to DDO:EU so why start advetise for it before they launch it?? Im sure they could do advertising both pre-launch and after launch but if you have to choose one then its ALOT smarter to do it after launch when people can click the add and then play the game 15 minutes later. You do know that it costs money to advertise right? You just want to argue for the sake of arguing and call people stupid when they dont agree but still you dont offer any arguments or examples to the discussion.

I did not call you ignorant for not agreeing, I called you ignorant for not having a clue how it works but still refusing to educate yourself and then making up examples that prove your theory wrong. That is the definition of ignorance. You want sources? Try looking up any ad for a game not yet released, you know like every major MMO ever has done at some point.

DDO have been released for 3 years so its not like they are going to create any hype by having adds. They want to have adds that ACTUALLY SELL THE GAME since thats what advertising is for, if that makes me stupid and ignorant then fine. See any adds for Champions or Aion here? No its all released games. The way you just twist words makes me think you would do much better in politics than marketing...

 

Lets start slowly and explain so you undersatand. I never said games do not advertise after launch, I said you do not start advertising then. Of course you continue to advertise for as long as the money spent is worthwhile. You keep saying it is ALOT smarter to wait but the fact is everyday life proves you wrong. You want examples look at the banners on this site for games starting closed beta, open betas and games comign soon. It happens every single day with games and other products.
 

 I have no problem understnading what you say. i jsut dont agree with what you say.

YOU can play DDO now as a matter of fact if you join now you can get in the beta for the remaining time with no beta key. Sorry but the one here arguing with no basis and just to argue is you.

 Yes but hey want people to try DDO_EU not the current version so why start advertising before it is released?

So DDO changing to EU and advertising will now bYes bu theyuild any hype? So why bother changing then? Obviously you fail to see the big changes they are making that are certainly worth advertising to people who as of now do not play DDO. As for Aion yes there are banners ont his site for it. Maybe you shoud research your subject better before trying to claim your made up numbers as facts. All you are doing is making my statement that you are ignorant even more right each post.

 I dont see how adds would bring any hype to DDO. I se how adds would bring new players WHEN EU IS RELEAED! An add who doenst sell anything is pointless in my opinion.

 EDIT: In this section Papadam I will be listing the games on this site that advertise before release. Since  I posted I saw an ad for Champions Online(that means both Aion and Champions, two games you said do not advertise are both on this site so you are wrong) and a game called Wonder Kings that is in closed beta. Below I will list all games I see and then we can find out how far off your 99% claim is. This might be a good time for you to say you were wrong. I doubt you have that ability.

 

1. Aion - Havent seen any adds for this one but if they do have ads Im sure they say: "Pre-order now!" or "Join the beta" None of this is waht DDO needs. Actually Im surprised not to see 1000x the more adds for Aion than there is currently since its actually A NEW RELEASE

2. Champions Online - Same as above. Even less marketing on this. Actually pretty much the same DDO:EU have got which is surprising since champions is A NEW RELEASE

3. Wonder King - Looking for beta testers something DDO doesnt need. They need pleyers after DDO:EU launch

4. Sudden Attack. This game is advertising a pre open beta starting on July 28th. - Looking for beta testers aswell

All ads on this site and other have "Pre-order now" Join beta now" "Play for free now". And I  rest my case... If I haven convince you yet then I guess its no pint arguing with you.

You think that an add saying "Come and play this game, but wait for 2 weeks" is better than "Come and play our game NOW for free" is better. I disagree and I respect your opinion even if you have called me a fanboy, clueless, ignorant or whatever. 

Originally posted by Papadam

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

No one markets things after they launch. You start before and a huge move like this for DDO is more than enough reason to advertise beforehand. If you do not see this then there is no reason to continue trying to talk to you.

What?? LotrO, WAR, AoC, EvE and so on all advertise on this and other sites and they have launched. Most F2P games you see here is released, They want you to click the add and 5 minutes later you can play them game. No point advertising a product you cant sell, and DDO:EU dont have any pre-orders so theres no point having adds now. When EU release you want adds everywhere so people can see it and then get it as soon as possible not "Remember us in 2 weeks when we release" cause people dont do that. hype is being build by getting press-coverage and there have been alot of that for DDO lately. Saw today that IGN.com had new DDO screenshots as one of their main news today. Thats marketing!

An expansion is not comparable to a relaunch that includes an entire new payment system. The two are no close to eachother in terms of game changing improvements and changes.

 How is it not comparable?? I would say a retail expansion is even bigger reason to advertise for but whatever.

You think advertising beforehand is stupid, that makes it clear you have no businees or marketing backgroud. But to continue calling what clearly works everyday in the entire world stupid is an ignorant statement. Though I find it funny you say I am a jerk yet complain I am calling names. Irony escape you?

No its clear you know nothing about how MMO marketing works and what other simillar companies are doing. And you still havent backed up anything you said with any arguments or sources.

And yes I think that people who call others Ignorant for not agreeing with them are jerks...

 

All those games you named advertised way before release. That is how you build interest. If you want to argue with me at least have some idea of reality. Those companies advertised before release and after, that is how success is built. Right now Turbine is doing the remeber us in two weeks thing because they are not putting up ads and the interviews are obviously much fewer compared to the week or so after announcement. Keeping DDO in potential players minds is what is needed. Pre orders or not no advertising because the product is not for sale is BS, since you can still buy and subscribe to DDO, you are aware the game still operates right? So advertising the game they have would still be win/win. Thank you for proving me right by not trying.
 

 You are making no sense.. You claimed that games dont advertise after launch but 99% of the adds here are for released games and they all say "PLAYFOR FREE NOW" not "PLAY FOR FREE BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 WEEKS" so that people can go and play their game. Yea people can play the game now but they want to attract people to DDO:EU so why start advetise for it before they launch it?? Im sure they could do advertising both pre-launch and after launch but if you have to choose one then its ALOT smarter to do it after launch when people can click the add and then play the game 15 minutes later. You do know that it costs money to advertise right? You just want to argue for the sake of arguing and call people stupid when they dont agree but still you dont offer any arguments or examples to the discussion.

I did not call you ignorant for not agreeing, I called you ignorant for not having a clue how it works but still refusing to educate yourself and then making up examples that prove your theory wrong. That is the definition of ignorance. You want sources? Try looking up any ad for a game not yet released, you know like every major MMO ever has done at some point.

DDO have been released for 3 years so its not like they are going to create any hype by having adds. They want to have adds that ACTUALLY SELL THE GAME since thats what advertising is for, if that makes me stupid and ignorant then fine. See any adds for Champions or Aion here? No its all released games. The way you just twist words makes me think you would do much better in politics than marketing...

 

Lets start slowly and explain so you undersatand. I never said games do not advertise after launch, I said you do not start advertising then. Of course you continue to advertise for as long as the money spent is worthwhile. You keep saying it is ALOT smarter to wait but the fact is everyday life proves you wrong. You want examples look at the banners on this site for games starting closed beta, open betas and games comign soon. It happens every single day with games and other products.
 

 I have no problem understnading what you say. i jsut dont agree with what you say.

YOU can play DDO now as a matter of fact if you join now you can get in the beta for the remaining time with no beta key. Sorry but the one here arguing with no basis and just to argue is you.

 Yes but hey want people to try DDO_EU not the current version so why start advertising before it is released?

So DDO changing to EU and advertising will now bYes bu theyuild any hype? So why bother changing then? Obviously you fail to see the big changes they are making that are certainly worth advertising to people who as of now do not play DDO. As for Aion yes there are banners ont his site for it. Maybe you shoud research your subject better before trying to claim your made up numbers as facts. All you are doing is making my statement that you are ignorant even more right each post.

 I dont see how adds would bring any hype to DDO. I se how adds would bring new players WHEN EU IS RELEAED! An add who doenst sell anything is pointless in my opinion.

 EDIT: In this section Papadam I will be listing the games on this site that advertise before release. Since  I posted I saw an ad for Champions Online(that means both Aion and Champions, two games you said do not advertise are both on this site so you are wrong) and a game called Wonder Kings that is in closed beta. Below I will list all games I see and then we can find out how far off your 99% claim is. This might be a good time for you to say you were wrong. I doubt you have that ability.

 

1. Aion - Havent seen any adds for this one but if they do have ads Im sure they say: "Pre-order now!" or "Join the beta" None of this is waht DDO needs. Actually Im surprised not to see 1000x the more adds for Aion than there is currently since its actually A NEW RELEASE

2. Champions Online - Same as above. Even less marketing on this. Actually pretty much the same DDO:EU have got which is surprising since champions is A NEW RELEASE

3. Wonder King - Looking for beta testers something DDO doesnt need. They need pleyers after DDO:EU launch

4. Sudden Attack. This game is advertising a pre open beta starting on July 28th. - Looking for beta testers aswell

All ads on this site and other have "Pre-order now" Join beta now" "Play for free now". And I  rest my case... If I haven convince you yet then I guess its no pint arguing with you.

You think that an add saying "Come and play this game, but wait for 2 weeks" is better than "Come and play our game NOW for free" is better. I disagree and I respect your opinion even if you have called me a fanboy, clueless, ignorant or whatever. 

 

 

Nevermind. I can see you will change your stance a little each time to try and seem right when I have done what you asked and proved you wrong with examples. It was nice trying to help you, but I am done. Bye now.
 

Enough fighting. This thread is 11 pages long. It has been talked about long enough.

Locking.