Originally posted by Elnator

Another good example is being able to engage monsters from outside their engagement range.  One of your own examples is a great one here:  Beholders.... they are nasty, evil critters that can easily kill a player 1 on 1 if you close to melee range... but if you opt to fight from range with a bow, thrown weapon or crossbow you can kill a beholder while staying out of his range in many situations.   With my ranger I can kill 2 of the 3 beholders in "Prison of the Mind" without taking any true risk whatsoever.  And it's not even an exploit, it's valid use of terrain.    Another huge weakness that beholders have is they suck at spotting players who are sneaking.  As a result a group of melee who work together can use sneak/hide to get in behind the critter and get off huge sneak attacks on them, quickly dropping them and killing them with far less risk.  Sure, you can charge in and you will eventually kill them but odds are you'll have more deaths than you really need to, thus burning up more resources rezzing people and healing them up.  It's your CHOICE of tactics that dictate how a battle with a beholder goes, more often than not.

Love the AI for not being able to see you, mobs tend to spin around trying to work out where they are being hit from. Another good tactic is to get out of their line of view and fire an arrow somewhere else, they will here it, often go to investigate, or turn around allowing you to sneak up and use a mechanism and restealth before they notice.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

 

 

I do not think I claimed everyone hates the game or that all players agree with me, certainly absolutes cannot be applied to something like this.  So if I did use such an absolute then it was a mistake to do so, I am sure I meant many or even majority instead.  That being said, I do not believe I tried to even give the impression that everyone hates the game, simply that it is fair to observe that the game has a very small bases and that it is fair to say many people have rejected it.  What reasons caused the rejection, we all see the comments and know the reputation the game has in the gaming community.  I stand by my comments that what I am commenting on here plays a part, perhaps a big part, in that overall perception.

  

 

 

To the OP:  Thanks for posting this.  I came to this forum to see what kind of game DDO is, and what kind of state it currently is in.  It seems that the majority of posts agree with you.  I recently quit AoC over technical issues and boring instancing, so thanks for keeping me from jumping into something similar.  Much appreciated,

 - LC

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

To the OP:  Thanks for posting this.  I came to this forum to see what kind of game DDO is, and what kind of state it currently is in.  It seems that the majority of posts agree with you.  I recently quit AoC over technical issues and boring instancing, so thanks for keeping me from jumping into something similar.  Much appreciated,

 - LC

DOG GREASE IS RANGED ABILITY NOT BREATH CONE.

Seriously, how problematic is to download the trial where you can see it by yourself. DDo is unique. It is highly probable you won't like it, but there is a chance you will love it. But the reason why you wouldn't like it, would be the uniqueness of it, not bugs. The game is not BUGGED at all. The system works just like the pen and paper version.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

To the OP:  Thanks for posting this.  I came to this forum to see what kind of game DDO is, and what kind of state it currently is in.  It seems that the majority of posts agree with you.  I recently quit AoC over technical issues and boring instancing, so thanks for keeping me from jumping into something similar.  Much appreciated,

 - LC

The OP is a deluded guy that tried a trial. He didn't know the game system and everytime he dies he blames it's bugged instead of realizing, it's the way the D&D system works.

 

DOG GREASE IS RANGED ABILITY NOT BREATH CONE.

Seriously, how problematic is to download the trial where you can see it by yourself. DDo is unique. It is highly probable you won't like it, but there is a chance you will love it. But the reason why you wouldn't like it, would be the uniqueness of it, not bugs. The game is not BUGGED at all. The system works just like the pen and paper version.

Save your breath, that was a classic case of reading what you want to read to support something you want to believe. No point trying to reason with such people.

p.s. Could I also point out by replying to the OP you are giving value to his warped thinking, just resist the urge to reply, no matter how outrageous his claims. This silly thread will then be relegated to where it belongs.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

To the OP:  Thanks for posting this.  I came to this forum to see what kind of game DDO is, and what kind of state it currently is in.  It seems that the majority of posts agree with you.  I recently quit AoC over technical issues and boring instancing, so thanks for keeping me from jumping into something similar.  Much appreciated,

 - LC

The OP is a deluded guy that tried a trial. He didn't know the game system and everytime he dies he blames it's bugged instead of realizing, it's the way the D&D system works.

 

DOG GREASE IS RANGED ABILITY NOT BREATH CONE.

Seriously, how problematic is to download the trial where you can see it by yourself. DDo is unique. It is highly probable you won't like it, but there is a chance you will love it. But the reason why you wouldn't like it, would be the uniqueness of it, not bugs. The game is not BUGGED at all. The system works just like the pen and paper version.

- LC

You should try the trial - the game is entertaining for a couple/few weeks, maybe a bit more if you play only here and there.  But as you get beyond mid level I would bet you will see what I have described, and what many, many others have said, about the game being flawed.  The beauty of a trial is you can see for yourself, so go check it out.  That being said, if you hated AoC for its instancing you will be sickened by how DDO does things.  I don't personally find it a huge problem like many do but DDO is 100% instanced - every adventure is a private instance fro your or your group.  The common areas are also instanced (the 'world', shops, taverns, etc).  I think DDO does a good job of giving you something extra (more intricate quests)  in exchange for the instancing or I suppose as a result - but if you are one of those people who hate instancing it will likely drive you batty.  DDO is more like an RTS game in this regard - the 'world' (which is really just a city with a couple extraneous areas) is like the RTS lobby where people get formed up for a game - then they go to the adventure entry point to load in to their private instance for the quest.

Nevertheless, give it a try - some will like it and have no problem with the issues I mentioned along with the others we have all heard.  Most people trying it will probably find it to be a poor MMO and unworthy of a subscription even if they find something enjoyable and even unique about it as a game.  I think if Turbine had been more creative with a pricing model from the get go (something like Guild Wars or some such) they probably could have gotten a more positive response.

Yeh some people actually know the game system and won't say GREASE IS CONE BREATH ABILITY and won't blame bugs for dying every minute because of total lack of knowledge about the system. And believe it or not, even most of the people that are part of this minority are not going on mmorpg.com actually spreading out the silly lies based on their inability to understand the concept.

>>>GREASE IS RANGED SPELL <<<

>>>GREASE IS RANGED SPELL <<<

>>>GREASE IS RANGED SPELL <<<

>>>GREASE IS RANGED SPELL <<<

 An abysmal failure of a poster's intellect to understand the game system.

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

 

You're right, I'll try the free trial.  Shouldn't take long to know whether it is a worthwhile game or not.  Oh, and clowns are freaky.  So, I'm not sure if I am trying the trial because it is the smart thing to do, or if the clown face intimidated me into it. 

 

- LC

Good for you, I stand corrected.

Originally posted by LuckyCurse

To the OP:  Thanks for posting this.  I came to this forum to see what kind of game DDO is, and what kind of state it currently is in.  It seems that the majority of posts agree with you.  I recently quit AoC over technical issues and boring instancing, so thanks for keeping me from jumping into something similar.  Much appreciated,

 - LC

DDO has the best PvE instances in the whole genre. So much for good accurate info. The free trial is like free as well to find out first hand. AoC's PvE instances are pretty bad in the genre, compared to DDO, well there isn't one.