Hell no I wouldn't trust them. I've been a big NCsoft fan for years, played both Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa, and they continued to lie to us until the formal announcement of the closing of both games. Lineage II is a grind/botfest, and CoX is finally seeing some serious competition - it's never even had competition before - by DC and its own developer no less. The only coup de grace NCsoft can hold onto is Guild Wars, but we haven't heard a peep about Guild Wars 2. And what about Aion? I don't believe these "East meets West" designs for a second - has everyone already forgotten the Last Remnant and Infinte Undiscovery for Xbox? They just came out and are pretty average at best.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Aion will be alot better than Tabula Rasa was so yeah I still trust NCSoft. Also Guild Wars 2 is coming and that will be the best mmo when released :) I think there is nothing but good things headed for NCSoft. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to go forward ;)

i remember when there was a  lot of buzz about tb . ncsoft failed to live upto the hype there . i still dont think aion will attract enought players to be any more than a niche game  at best . look at the reality of the game its interesting but its not something that ll attact a huge number of players and with tabula rasa being closed so soon . it does nt offer any reason to invest money in a niche game produced by a company willing to do this .

guild wars 2 is a different matter given its free of monthly fees .

hmmm why not offer tabula rasa as an incentive free mmo with that ???

i think there must be some amazingly blinkerd folks at ncsoft . who rather shoot a lame horse than put it out to stud .

such companys deserve to fail .

I trust them fully, they have great games, Guild wars Exteel, City of Heroes, All great games, all up and running. Sure they got rid of the weakest link but that does not bother me at all hell I think TB honestly should have gone down sooner, would have cost NCsoft less money in the long run.

I agree in trusting NCSoft.  While I did love the gameplay of TR, between what seemed like a disorganized dev team and a leader who wanted to play Space Cowboy with others' money rather than be responsible for a game he gave his name, the game didn't have a chance.  The same as AoC, the game peetered out after the first few areas.  Once you got past Divide and Palisades, it became the same old MMO grindage. 

NCSoft is reorganizing to support the team that gives them the best chance of success: ANet.  GW is still showing success after 3 years up, despite being instanced and offering no major new content for a year.  Most of the North American positions have former Anet staff running them.  After Aion is released, I believe you will see the vids, screens and full-court press for GW2.  Besides, Lineage 2 is still making them money, as is CoX. 

Unlike Sony, which hates to admit failure, and will try to squeeze blood out of a stone, NCSoft knows when a game is failing and cuts its losses.  That's how you stay in business.

Originally posted by Borkotron

I don't trust NCSoft. They could have at least kept one or two servers running for both AA & Tabula Rasa.  Now the assets to these games just collect virtual dust on some backup server deep within the bowls of NCSoft. What a waste and such a shame.

Nope, they're being wiped off the hard drives so the servers can be used for a REAL game.

yes i trust them i think that the tabula rasa closure is the last time a ncsoft game will close so soon as they have learned from their mistakes and will not blinding follow the developers. im playing aion

As long as nobody on the Aion team is wanting to take a 30 million dollar space trip... I'd trust them.

I was a pretty big Richard Garriott fanboi back in the day... but I think that was pretty bad form.  I think when your name is "on the box" you have an obligation to the company that gave you the development funds AND the people who bought your product.

To at least have some image of being involved IN the product.  Or to show some interest in saving the product with "your name on the box" when its obviously in trouble.

So I'm not sure I exactly blame NCSoft here... and why would anyone expect them to run the game at a loss?

Well if it was SOE then TR would probably still be running.. but that's an entirely different topic.

I trust NCSoft enough, and will Aion. Nothing in what happened with TR showed to me they're inefficient. I played TR for 3 months, so it's not from a pov of ignorance. They have reasons for this decision, and whether or not we like or understand them, it's done.

Whining about it won't change what Aion will or won't be. It's a shame those still playing TR will lose out, but it happens. Life goes on, and the only thing we can do is move along with it, or get stuck behind in a loop of regret and self-pity.

Originally posted by googajoob7

the problem for ncsoft now is why trust them to invest in buying and subscribing to something like aion . they ve proven twice its not worth the time and effort of leveling characters in one of thier mmos . i ve only tried tabula rasa now because i got it cheap and am playing out the first month . i would nt say its the best mmo but neither is it the worst . what i cant understand is why give your company such a bad name by shutting down something this quickly .( vanguards still going even if its not that popular at least that shows soe has some respect for its user base ) .

my personal view is they should have tried a different payment model , used in game advertising or added it as part of a package with one of their other mmos . or even sold it on to another company to continue it  . shutting it down is the worst thing they could have done .

I think this is the big problem... When you play a game you play it for fun and if peoples begin to think about how much time they have put in a characters is more important, well maibe they should just stop playin mmo. In fact the major point here is playing and have fun while it last. I mean at the end what is more important? The fun you had while playing the game or this tons of pixels?

When i start a character i dont think how much he will be cool at max lvl with the end- game armor set. I just think about having fun. If gaming begin to look like Penal labourand i start to count the time and effort, well i stop plying it.

I trust NC Soft for any of their games. I'm not sure I would trust "Lord British" again though. he is the real blame for the failure of Tabula Rasa

no not after AA and TR. i'll wait to read some reviews and hear some player feedback 1st.

No I would never trust NCSoft with a Launch game again.

The fact that westerners would have loved to have a "Pass" and their complete Ignoreing of it is proof that were little more than fluff for their asian market.

Originally posted by markaedw

I trust NC Soft for any of their games. I'm not sure I would trust "Lord British" again though. he is the real blame for the failure of Tabula Rasa

While RG definately has to take some blame, I am sure NCSoft has to shoulder some of that load as well.

Originally posted by googajoob7

the problem for ncsoft now is why trust them to invest in buying and subscribing to something like aion . they ve proven twice its not worth the time and effort of leveling characters in one of thier mmos . i ve only tried tabula rasa now because i got it cheap and am playing out the first month . i would nt say its the best mmo but neither is it the worst . what i cant understand is why give your company such a bad name by shutting down something this quickly .( vanguards still going even if its not that popular at least that shows soe has some respect for its user base ) .

my personal view is they should have tried a different payment model , used in game advertising or added it as part of a package with one of their other mmos . or even sold it on to another company to continue it  . shutting it down is the worst thing they could have done .

I don't think the Aion closing down is a possibility. NCSoft derives most of their revenue running Lineage and Lineage 2 in southeast Asia (SK notably). Aion is, in spirit, a successor to those games, and has generated quite a bit of buzz in NCSoft's back yard (so to speak). Auto Asault, and even moreso TR, were developed to be successful in the Euro/North American markets, which faied miserably some might say.

I don't know if I will play Aion. I am not a fantasy player for the most part. I will miss the potential of TR. I don't know if "trust" is a word I would pursue in this cause, because I have come to trust that if a game was not profitable, NCSoft will scrap it (as opposed to SOE station passing it). Personally, I don't know which plan is better. It's certainly a different way of doing business. In NCSoft's case, I will give them the benefit of being able to say that they don't want a game running that reflects negetively on their reputation, which seems to be an aspect with which SOE has no problems....

I played both LIneage2 and TR and i can tel lyou NCSOFT does not listen nor do they care about there player base one bit.I think they laugh at us over here and just rely on there HUGE Korean market to continue drawing income from.

Tr is a game that you can actually BLAME NCSOFT for ruining.They took over the project and if i am not mistaken got rid of half the group that made the game and inserted there own people and ideas.If i remember it right they actually changed the game from it's original state a lot,so who knows what the game could have been.

The point is NCSOFT is a rubbish developer,that NEVER shows respect to it's customers.They are by far the worst on my list.

Who cares about buying AION?  If you were a subscriber when they announced the cancellation of Tabula Rasa, then you already are gonna get it for free.

To me the typical $50 game has about a month of playability before I shelve it, a good one might see more playability.  So a $50 loss in purchasing this game is justifiable since I got a good month of fun playing before I wasn't interested in it anymore.  The fact I can't play it anymore doesn't really affect me since I wasn't planning to play the game again anyway.  If I did want to continue enjoying Tabula Rasa but it was cut short as a result of this cancellation, then hey atleast they rewarded me with several other games for free.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I played both LIneage2 and TR and i can tel lyou NCSOFT does not listen nor do they care about there player base one bit.I think they laugh at us over here and just rely on there HUGE Korean market to continue drawing income from.

Tr is a game that you can actually BLAME NCSOFT for ruining.They took over the project and if i am not mistaken got rid of half the group that made the game and inserted there own people and ideas.If i remember it right they actually changed the game from it's original state a lot,so who knows what the game could have been.

The point is NCSOFT is a rubbish developer,that NEVER shows respect to it's customers.They are by far the worst on my list.

I played Lineage 2 for several months after giving up SWG, and SL meltdown. I got lucky and fell into a good guild early on, it was the first time I was associating with players using vent (I mean let's be honest, the chat system was horrible). At a point (the point I quit), I realized I wished I had listened to the reviews which summed it up, a very good looking game (for the time) that was vapid of anything but grinding. Other than easing the levelling process, I don't think there was anything NCSoft could do to improve that game. All that would have done would have been to lead me to quitting sooner.

I am equally not surprised that TR was scrapped one or two times. It was billed as a collaboration of "east and west" developers. That also, at the time, was completely going to fail. The two markets, on core points, had nothing in common. I did play TR for two months, one at launch, and one last month. I was having a bit of fun (all solo), but once the announcement came down, I left. I don't know if I would have stuck around anyway.

I don't know if NCSoft is a bad developer overall, they just don't seem to make games that really appeal to me. On the other hand they host L2, City of, and Guild Wars, which all seem to be somewhat popular (just not up my alley I guess).

Not neccesarily distruct in ncsoft, I just won't buy another mmorpg again until it has been running for at least 6 months.

Learned my lesson with AoC. Will not fall for something like that again.

Worst thing that can happen is that I will arive 6 months late in a game.

Originally posted by kinglee

 Tabula Rasa was a terrible game its concept was changed multiple times, its project was started multiple times costing NCSoft millions which they were never able to gain back. They're essentially bleeding money by leaving Tabula Rasa run, its not the first time they've cut losses that are justified by the state of the game.

 

NcSoft went into their deal with the Garriotts with good faith on the part of NcSoft.  They expected competence, talent and effort and were disappointed every step of the way.   .

People should keep in mind that NcSoft also must listen to their stockholders.  Would you buy NcSoft stock if the company continued to pour money down the TR rathole?

Aion was developed by developers, not by a egomaniac whose star power has come and gone.   Lineage and COH and of course GW are successful.   I think NcSoft is a good company, has been treated badly  by a a selfish American drama queen, and deserves a break.

This! Nothing more, nothing less!

The only person to blame here is Richard Garriott himself. He should go hide in shame, never to return in the game industry ever!

Instead of really putting his soul, sweat and blood into this game... he was more busy with his fanatism to go into space by ripping off NcSoft to try fund his little space expedition.

Remember Richard's Community letters at the end of beta and shortly after launch? Give me a break!

He has become a disgrace to himself and to his fans who he let down misserably. Just like Brad McQuad did.

Both of them have turned into elitish selfish egomaniacs, only seeing $$$ signs in their eyes.

Richard Garriott did nothing substantial for Tabula Rasa, other then just slapping his name on the product. Pushed the game out of the door and let us all rot with a half assed game and false promisses. And even worse... he let his own developers rot in their US office, while he went off on his space expedition.

So NO! NcSoft isn't to blame at all.   They have been ripped off by this egomaniac, just like all of us.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by kinglee

 Tabula Rasa was a terrible game its concept was changed multiple times, its project was started multiple times costing NCSoft millions which they were never able to gain back. They're essentially bleeding money by leaving Tabula Rasa run, its not the first time they've cut losses that are justified by the state of the game.

 

NcSoft went into their deal with the Garriotts with good faith on the part of NcSoft.  They expected competence, talent and effort and were disappointed every step of the way.   .

People should keep in mind that NcSoft also must listen to their stockholders.  Would you buy NcSoft stock if the company continued to pour money down the TR rathole?

Aion was developed by developers, not by a egomaniac whose star power has come and gone.   Lineage and COH and of course GW are successful.   I think NcSoft is a good company, has been treated badly  by a a selfish American drama queen, and deserves a break.

 

This! Nothing more, nothing less!

The only person to blame here is Richard Garriott himself. He should go hide in shame, never to return in the game industry ever!

Instead of really putting his soul, sweat and blood into this game... he was more busy with his fanatism to go into space by ripping off NcSoft to try fund his little space expedition.

Remember Richard's Community letters at the end of beta and shortly after launch? Give me a break!

He has become a disgrace to himself and to his fans who he let down misserably. Just like Brad McQuad did.

Both of them have turned into elitish selfish egomaniacs, only seeing $$$ signs in their eyes.

Richard Garriott did nothing substantial for Tabula Rasa, other then just slapping his name on the product. Pushed the game out of the door and let us all rot with a half assed game and false promisses. And even worse... he let his own developers rot in their US office, while he went off on his space expedition.

So NO! NcSoft isn't to blame at all.   They have been ripped off by this egomaniac, just like all of us.

Cheers

Am I the only one who see a contradiction here??