It appears that 3 faction world pvp is the new trend in mmos. My question is not if 3 faction world pvp will come to WOW but when. And when it comes, how will it look like?

If you were chosen as the manager to oversee the development of 3 faction world pvp in WOW how would you impliment it and what would it look like?

Possibly when Titan releases.

If blizzard tried adding a third faction they would have to rewrite there whole games history, they can't do it so they won't. They'll most likely wait for Titan to try this and knowing the abysmal way blizzard hacks up pvp they will fail.

 

GL with a company that hasn't gotten anything right since 2004.

Originally posted by Merdur

If blizzard tried adding a third faction they would have to rewrite there whole games history, they can't do it so they won't. They'll most likely wait for Titan to try this and knowing the abysmal way blizzard hacks up pvp they will fail.

GL with a company that hasn't gotten anything right since 2004.

True...

But could they not do something to the effect of: "the old alliances have failed, new ones must be forged... war is upon us".

Blizzard is pretty good at scripting lore, though I agree with your comment about not getting anything right since '04, I believe they could pull it off... that is, if they did it right (I know, its a big "IF")

 

Nuke the pandas... Yep and let radiactivity mutate every creature there into a third faction.

Originally posted by lizardbones

Possibly when Titan releases.

You sure are optimistic seeing how Bliz is driven by the EA machine who's only interest is in perpetuating cloned concepts and stearing far and wide from revolutionary and original advancements in gaming in order to fuel short term money gains.

 

Titan will be exactly like all recent mmo's ... advertised as revolutionary but actually a compilation of polished systems proven time and time again to appeal to the masses with just enough new flashy mechanics to sell it to the public drones.

 

Bliz these days simply reminds me of the Mythbusters episode where they prove you can polish shit to an nice pretty shine.

wows engine cant handle it

 

thats why they made things like wintergrasp instead

Originally posted by joocheese

It appears that 3 faction world pvp is the new trend in mmos. My question is not if 3 faction world pvp will come to WOW but when. And when it comes, how will it look like?

If you were chosen as the manager to oversee the development of 3 faction world pvp in WOW how would you impliment it and what would it look like?

It's not really a new trend, DAOC started a 3 faction pvp mmo years ago. It's just taken companies 10 years to get the idea it's a nice balance for pvp.

I doubt they'll do 3 factions PvP. It would work for regular battlegrounds, but would cause havok in the full world and in the leveling.

Everything in WoW is laid in twos. For every questing area that leans heavily to one side in the vanilla world, there's another that leans to the other side in the same level range, and in cases where the questing is done by both sides in the same area, each one has their own towns and outposts, plus sometimes a neutral one.

Making WoW a 3 factions game would mean redesigning the whole world to create new areas for the third faction in the level ranges where areas are not shared, and new towns/outposts equivalent to the ones that already exist (along with everyhing that implies, for quests line, vendors, auction houses and so on). The location of main cities can be problematic since they're seem to be linked in twos (note that my knowledge of WoW is up to WotLK) as in SW - IF (tram), TB - OG (these are the ones "less" connected but still close to each other), UC - Silvermoon (teleport) and Darnassus - Exodar (boats to both share the same pier), and main city in WotLK is also divided in alliance-horde. So, basically, reorganizing the races on 3 factions (not hard, I always felt that undead - blood elves and probably worgen now could form their own faction) would be easy... remaking the world for the 3 factions to work (not just end game but whole leveling process), not so easy.

If anything, maybe their next MMO would be 3 factions.. WoW, very much doubt it.

Now, what they could do if they wanted to, is a 3 way battleground, maybe when you join you're assigned to one of 3 sides along with people from both factions.. :)

Originally posted by L0C0Man

I doubt they'll do 3 factions PvP. It would work for regular battlegrounds, but would cause havok in the full world and in the leveling.

Everything in WoW is laid in twos. For every questing area that leans heavily to one side in the vanilla world, there's another that leans to the other side in the same level range, and in cases where the questing is done by both sides in the same area, each one has their own towns and outposts, plus sometimes a neutral one.

Making WoW a 3 factions game would mean redesigning the whole world to create new areas for the third faction in the level ranges where areas are not shared, and new towns/outposts equivalent to the ones that already exist (along with everyhing that implies, for quests line, vendors, auction houses and so on). The location of main cities can be problematic since they're seem to be linked in twos (note that my knowledge of WoW is up to WotLK) as in SW - IF (tram), TB - OG (these are the ones "less" connected but still close to each other), UC - Silvermoon (teleport) and Darnassus - Exodar (boats to both share the same pier), and main city in WotLK is also divided in alliance-horde. So, basically, reorganizing the races on 3 factions (not hard, I always felt that undead - blood elves and probably worgen now could form their own faction) would be easy... remaking the world for the 3 factions to work (not just end game but whole leveling process), not so easy.

If anything, maybe their next MMO would be 3 factions.. WoW, very much doubt it.

Now, what they could do if they wanted to, is a 3 way battleground, maybe when you join you're assigned to one of 3 sides along with people from both factions.. :)

yeah, very good points.

As to the 3 way battlegrounds, they could do like GW2 and just make it server vs server vs server. It would be an "instultingly" obvious copy of GW2 but it would make for a much more fun battleground experience

I would start playing WoW again if they implemented 3 faction PVP.

Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by lizardbones

Possibly when Titan releases.

You sure are optimistic seeing how Bliz is driven by the EA machine who's only interest is in perpetuating cloned concepts and stearing far and wide from revolutionary and original advancements in gaming in order to fuel short term money gains.

 

Titan will be exactly like all recent mmo's ... advertised as revolutionary but actually a compilation of polished systems proven time and time again to appeal to the masses with just enough new flashy mechanics to sell it to the public drones.

 

Bliz these days simply reminds me of the Mythbusters episode where they prove you can polish shit to an nice pretty shine.

What does Blizz have to do with EA other than being in a huge legal battle with them?

 

Not much at Blizzard has changed since they merged with Activision.  They are still owned and controlled by the same parent company (Vivendi) , and still place style over substance, polish over depth.

You all heard that RIFT is adding 3 server PVP to their line up, didn't you?  If Blizzard doesnt follow suit, they are going to get dusted in the PVP aspect of the game.

Originally posted by Merdur

If blizzard tried adding a third faction they would have to rewrite there whole games history, they can't do it so they won't. They'll most likely wait for Titan to try this and knowing the abysmal way blizzard hacks up pvp they will fail.

 

GL with a company that hasn't gotten anything right since 2004.

 No they wouldn't.  Lore, history, or at least our understanding of it is not some monolithic unchangeable thing.  As more is learned our understanding of what happened changes.

It would be very easy to simply make up a new race and have that race be at war with both factions currently.  It happens all the time in stories and real world.  Stories evolve over time, current events change and our understanding of the past changes.

Originally posted by Thupli

You all heard that RIFT is adding 3 server PVP to their line up, didn't you?  If Blizzard doesnt follow suit, they are going to get dusted in the PVP aspect of the game.

Yup, that's why I started this thread. If I'm not mistaken DAoC was the first one to introduce 3 server/faction world pvp, but it appears that GW2, by bringing it back, has possibly made it "popular" once again, thus making it a "new trend" (I know its really not new). With all the hype and positive player base feedback, it seems that more dev companies are introducing the 3 server/faction world pvp mechanic into their games; which I think its wonderful!

I believe that if Blizzard does not find a way to introduce 3 server/faction world pvp into WOW, though in reality they may not be left behind regarding subs, I believe it will make them appear as if they are behind the pvp curve. Something, I believe Blizzard cannot afford to allow.

Originally posted by Tayah

Originally posted by joocheese

It appears that 3 faction world pvp is the new trend in mmos. My question is not if 3 faction world pvp will come to WOW but when. And when it comes, how will it look like?

If you were chosen as the manager to oversee the development of 3 faction world pvp in WOW how would you impliment it and what would it look like?

It's not really a new trend, DAOC started a 3 faction pvp mmo years ago. It's just taken companies 10 years to get the idea it's a nice balance for pvp.

Tayah is perfectly right - Hail to our Lord and Master DAoC! - except that other MOs have tried to go with more than 2 factions.

Aika for example has 5 nations that all have their own personality and relate differently to each other.

Just too bad that a) pretty much nobody really cared enough about these "factions" and b) you didn't actually have to choose one...

The secret is not just to have 3 factions, but to actually balance them against each other (no "we are neutral" backdoor) and, and this is where GW2's WvWvW system will fail in the mid/long run, make you not just care about your own faction but also to make you hate the other 2. 

In DAoC an Alb could say "I see the stinking hippie are on the march again, time to kick some elven arse!" or "Shit, here come the rug boys with their hammers... man, will those morons ever learn to just stay home and lick their frosticles?"

But in GW2...? "Hey, look, we are fighting the reds and the blues again (who other than having a different colour tag look just like us)" - "No, these are not the reds you are looking for, it was other reds you were fighting 3 weeks ago..."

*burp*

Now, I never played WoW - yes, I'm one of the lucky few - but maybe Blizz could launch an alien attack on WoW? Maybe WoW - Starcraft Edition? ;-)

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Merdur

If blizzard tried adding a third faction they would have to rewrite there whole games history, they can't do it so they won't. They'll most likely wait for Titan to try this and knowing the abysmal way blizzard hacks up pvp they will fail.

 

GL with a company that hasn't gotten anything right since 2004.

 No they wouldn't.  Lore, history, or at least our understanding of it is not some monolithic unchangeable thing.  As more is learned our understanding of what happened changes.

It would be very easy to simply make up a new race and have that race be at war with both factions currently.  It happens all the time in stories and real world.  Stories evolve over time, current events change and our understanding of the past changes.

As the saying goes..."The only constant in the universe is change."

        Its too bad WoW didnt have a 3rd faction from day 1....It would have been alot more fun if it had.

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Originally posted by Tamanous

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Originally posted by lizardbones Possibly when Titan releases.

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You sure are optimistic seeing how Bliz is driven by the EA machine who's only interest is in perpetuating cloned concepts and stearing far and wide from revolutionary and original advancements in gaming in order to fuel short term money gains.

Titan will be exactly like all recent mmo's ... advertised as revolutionary but actually a compilation of polished systems proven time and time again to appeal to the masses with just enough new flashy mechanics to sell it to the public drones.

Bliz these days simply reminds me of the Mythbusters episode where they prove you can polish shit to an nice pretty shine.

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That's not optimism. It's just possible that Titan will have 3 faction PvP. We don't really know what Blizzard is doing with Titan, so it could be anything. 3 faction PvP, player housing, dual wielding 6 shooters in space. Who knows? It could be awesome. Or it could be drivel. There's no use speculating on it though, other than to say anything is possible at this point. Well, that and Blizzard isn't putting 3 faction PvP in WoW.

Originally posted by Tayah

Originally posted by joocheese

It appears that 3 faction world pvp is the new trend in mmos. My question is not if 3 faction world pvp will come to WOW but when. And when it comes, how will it look like?

If you were chosen as the manager to oversee the development of 3 faction world pvp in WOW how would you impliment it and what would it look like?

It's not really a new trend, DAOC started a 3 faction pvp mmo years ago. It's just taken companies 10 years to get the idea it's a nice balance for pvp.

 

It was actually Anarchy Online that started the 3 faction pvp trend(it released about 6 months before DAOC). In my mind it was superior in the fact that you could talk with group with the other factions (note there was a neutral faction), and even defect. It even had FFA areas where there was no "Suppression Gas"  and in those areas even pvp between the same faction was allowed.