Reading the posts about WoW. Let's face it. WoW = arenas and WoW = Raids (stopwatch raids.)

So here's something all these elitsts never take into consideration. There are groups of addons out there made specifically for arenas and specifically for raids.

I have an arena addon pack for when I want to do arenas. It puts up a piece of paper-style setup on the far right of my screen. It links to the opponents' armory and shows me their gear, talents, current spec, etc. Underneath that it shows 2 rows (both class based.) First row is my cc abilities (if I have any) and the second row is all my big damage/cool down abilities. With arena addon packs it's quite difficult to not achieve at least a 2200 rating.

For PVE there are the same addons going around. Same type of deal where right side of your screen is a scroll/piece of paper and it has at the top a different map with lists of trash mods (their drops, names, abilities) and list of bosses (with their drops, names and abilities.)

So why do so many people compare to wow? The end game of wow practically plays itself. Don't get me wrong I log in every once in a while to do Dragon Soul or keep my arena rating at 2200, but it's nothing that takes up more then a hour or two a day.

Originally posted by Cameo3

Reading the posts about WoW. Let's face it. WoW = arenas and WoW = Raids (stopwatch raids.)

So here's something all these elitsts never take into consideration. There are groups of addons out there made specifically for arenas and specifically for raids.

I have an arena addon pack for when I want to do arenas. It puts up a piece of paper-style setup on the far right of my screen. It links to the opponents' armory and shows me their gear, talents, current spec, etc. Underneath that it shows 2 rows (both class based.) First row is my cc abilities (if I have any) and the second row is all my big damage/cool down abilities. With arena addon packs it's quite difficult to not achieve at least a 2200 rating.

For PVE there are the same addons going around. Same type of deal where right side of your screen is a scroll/piece of paper and it has at the top a different map with lists of trash mods (their drops, names, abilities) and list of bosses (with their drops, names and abilities.)

So why do so many people compare to wow? The end game of wow practically plays itself. Don't get me wrong I log in every once in a while to do Dragon Soul or keep my arena rating at 2200, but it's nothing that takes up more then a hour or two a day.

Is it possible to have this ridiculous thread locked?

Why? It was my personal experience in wow (first pasted to facebook then thought not the right place for it lol) before I cancelled.

It's easiest to compare a new game to a game a ton of people have played.

Originally posted by Cameo3

Why? It was my personal experience in wow (first pasted to facebook then thought not the right place for it lol) before I cancelled.

Why? your asking why? im literally sitting here dumnfounded. someone please lock and or remove this thread.

This is a good topic, but I just don't get your point with the add-ons. Why do they have anything to do with why people compare games to WoW? The add-ons are some other topics themselves.

This is a troll topic. Everyone knows WHY MANY modern games are compared to WoW. It's because they're INTENTIONALLY copying World of Warcraft's Lowest Common Denominator fanbase.

NO ONE Compares EQ to WoW, FOR A REASON...

NO ONE Compares DAOC to WoW, FOR A REASON...

NO ONE Compares SWG to WoW, FOR A REASON...

etc...etc...etcc

If your game is being called a "WoW Clone" it's for a reason, and NOT because it's simply an MMO. I've reported you for trolling.

The end game of any game is usually what is discussed. I've just hammered the two end game aspects of wow, 1 being raiding (addons make it easy street) the other being arenas (again addons make it easy street.)

Since the end game of wow is so easy why compare anything to wow is all I'm asking.

Btw, Cloud 9 on Darkspear, cleared Dragon Soul in 9 hours after launch. ;-)

Even after your clarifcation of the OP I'm still not sure what point you are trying to debate.  Are you trying to say that WOW's endgame plays it self?   That's one topic.

Or do you wish to discuss why everyone always compares MMO's to WOW?

Or perhaps, you are asking why Developers keep trying to copy WOW's endgame?

Or something else entirely?

Originally posted by kantseeme

Originally posted by Cameo3

Why? It was my personal experience in wow (first pasted to facebook then thought not the right place for it lol) before I cancelled.

Why? your asking why? im literally sitting here dumnfounded. someone please lock and or remove this thread.

^^ other than bein an obvious fanboy for wow, kantseeme, there is no reason to lock this thread. WoW is the biggest and baddest in general, so yeah, all games that have anything remotely in common with WoW get compared to it. WoW is a GENERAL measuring stick to compare to. Thats all it is.

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Originally posted by Kyleran
Even after your clarifcation of the OP I'm still not sure what point you are trying to debate.  Are you trying to say that WOW's endgame plays it self?   That's one topic.
Or do you wish to discuss why everyone always compares MMO's to WOW?
Or perhaps, you are asking why Developers keep trying to copy WOW's endgame?
Or something else entirely?
 
 

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I'm saying that by proving wow has no real end game except for a very easy one (with the right addon package) it doesn't make much sense to compare other game's end games which wow's.

The formula currently for end game content across any game is:
end game time sink: raids, battlegrounds.
end game pvp: battlegrounds, "personal" arenas.

There's nothing else currently in any game other then maybe EVE with it's thriving economy so balanced on end game.

There's really nothing else that could theoretically be added that could be phased in other then raids, battlegrounds & arenas...so why then corner everything in the market against wow?

Simple.  It's the most successful and familar MMO to ever exist.  Games are compared to it because nearly everyone is familiar with all of the features of WoW.

because WoW is, hands down the most, succesful and pupular mmo to date.

you dont' have any DOACdetxo.com websites. you do not have EQdetox.com websites but you do have WoWdetox.com.

that's how incredibly addictive and popular WoW has been in the past. it was so pupular and so addicting that people actually made a website to help each others quit the game. that's pretty insane if you think about it, and even more insane are some of the stories you read on that website.  

no other game has ever reached such a huge and devoted fan base yet, and that is why WoW is the ruler by which every other mmo is eventually mesured by.  

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Originally posted by Jakdstripper
because WoW is, hands down the most, succesful and pupular mmo to date.
you dont' have any DOACdetxo.com websites. you do not have EQdetox.com websites but you do have WoWdetox.com.
that's how incredibly addictive and popular WoW has been in the past. it was so pupular and so addicting that people actually made a website to help each others quit the game. that's pretty insane if you think about it, and even more insane are some of the stories you read on that website.  
 
no other game has ever reached such a huge and devoted fan base yet, and that is why WoW is the ruler by which every other mmo is eventually mesured by.  
 

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But what is it measured to. I've mostly seen three things: graphics quality, end game and pvp.

Originally posted by Cameo3

 

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Originally posted by Jakdstripper
because WoW is, hands down the most, succesful and pupular mmo to date.
you dont' have any DOACdetxo.com websites. you do not have EQdetox.com websites but you do have WoWdetox.com.
that's how incredibly addictive and popular WoW has been in the past. it was so pupular and so addicting that people actually made a website to help each others quit the game. that's pretty insane if you think about it, and even more insane are some of the stories you read on that website.  
 
no other game has ever reached such a huge and devoted fan base yet, and that is why WoW is the ruler by which every other mmo is eventually mesured by.  
 

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But what is it measured to. I've mostly seen three things: graphics quality, end game and pvp.

Earlier I wasn't sure if this person was trolling.. but now I'm almost positive with this response. 

I played wow for 2 months just to see it. And having built my own rig around graphics, i was utterly unimpressed with wows graphics. Wow has good, but not great graphics. And I say good in the sense that wow is cartoony and colorful.

Originally posted by Cameo3

 

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Originally posted by Kyleran
Even after your clarifcation of the OP I'm still not sure what point you are trying to debate.  Are you trying to say that WOW's endgame plays it self?   That's one topic.
Or do you wish to discuss why everyone always compares MMO's to WOW?
Or perhaps, you are asking why Developers keep trying to copy WOW's endgame?
Or something else entirely?
 
 

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I'm saying that by proving wow has no real end game except for a very easy one (with the right addon package) it doesn't make much sense to compare other game's end games which wow's.

The formula currently for end game content across any game is:
end game time sink: raids, battlegrounds.
end game pvp: battlegrounds, "personal" arenas.

There's nothing else currently in any game other then maybe EVE with it's thriving economy so balanced on end game.

There's really nothing else that could theoretically be added that could be phased in other then raids, battlegrounds & arenas...so why then corner everything in the market against wow?

You may be new to the genre, so you never experienced DAOC's endgame (but you still can) or Lineage 2, both of which involve the control of in game castles/keeps and denial of same to your opponents.

In Lineage 2 clans go to war against each other regularly and attempt to deny PVE objectives from each other as well.

There are alternate ways to design an endgame (like not have one, as you observed in EVE), but I can understand why you would think they are all the same, for the most part I'll have to agree they are. (unfortunately)

You say WOW's end game is very easy, is that true for everyone?  Does everyone complete the end game raiding/arena's with no challenge?  I suspect that's not really the case, and that the average player still never really experiences everything.

But as to comparing other titles end games  to WOW, of course people will do that, since as you pointed out the design is so similar.

OK, so the other games might not have the same ability to mod the interfaces, but very few people claim that raiding in Rift, AOC or SWTOR are a whole lot harder (or easier for that matter) than WOW.

Originally posted by Cameo3

 

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Originally posted by Jakdstripper
because WoW is, hands down the most, succesful and pupular mmo to date.
you dont' have any DOACdetxo.com websites. you do not have EQdetox.com websites but you do have WoWdetox.com.
that's how incredibly addictive and popular WoW has been in the past. it was so pupular and so addicting that people actually made a website to help each others quit the game. that's pretty insane if you think about it, and even more insane are some of the stories you read on that website.  
 
no other game has ever reached such a huge and devoted fan base yet, and that is why WoW is the ruler by which every other mmo is eventually mesured by.  
 

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But what is it measured to. I've mostly seen three things: graphics quality, end game and pvp.

addictivenes. that's the biggest weappon WoW has ever had.

of course the addiction was created by a number of factors which included story, graphics style, responsivnes, end game, freedom, pvp/pve, difficulty, game mechanics,classes, skills, content, etc, etc. it is impossible to pin point exactly what one characteristic put WoW over the top because it was the whole package that had you coming back for more,a nd more, and more......

somehow, someway WoW hit the nail on the head big time. it was fun and you coulndt put it down no matter if it was your first mmo or not.

many other games have excelled at one or two aspecst, but none have excelled at everything quite like WoW did in it's hay day.

Because it was the most successful mainstream MMO of all time, plain and simple.  Thought this was obvious, no?  It would be counter-intuitive for any other game to be the one most frequently compared to.  

Originally posted by Homitu

Because it was the most successful mainstream MMO of all time, plain and simple.  Thought this was obvious, no?  It would be counter-intuitive for any other game to be the one most frequently compared to.  

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This, and I will add up to WoTLK the funniest I've played.