I think macroing and add-ons are cheating but these guilds breath this kind of mentality into the average gamer and then they expect all these shitty  add-ons and macros to be available in every game. Then they say "this mmo is too easy". yes of course it is too easy when you have 20 add-ons and one button does all macros practically playing the game for you.

macros and cheat programs of all kind, make the game easier for the cheater. this behavior drive competition through the roof, and makes it impossible for non cheaters or newbs to genuinely interact with the economy and all shared features.  it is good that these cheaters were banned, and i hope they permanently lost all their characters on these accounts.  its a shame blizzard cant reliably ban all their other accounts too, and drive them from the game.  

 

good for you blizzard in punish anyone who breaks these rules, including the top rated players.  too many devs get buddy-buddy with the hardcore players and selectively turn the other cheek to their favorite players.  this was an act of integrity. 

I'm at low connection speed atm so can't watch the show. COuld someone pls explain me what they exactly did to get banned?

Originally posted by kaibigan34

I love these people that are siding with the exploiters. Trying to make it sound all ok. They would watch a news story about a 90 year old woman that is rapped when 2 thugs break into her house. And these guys would side with the criminals "Hey she had on a sexy bath robe. She was asking for it."

 

Tyr

Your comparing cheating at a video game with rape....classic.

Who cares about these kinds of guilds and their accomplishments anyway?

So you cleared content first in a video game.

/golfclap

Let me know when you cure cancer.

 

Gotta love the title ~ Best Guilds banned for exploiting and cheating!

 

If they were the best, then they wouldn't need to take advantage of exploits and cheating...

Originally posted by Khrymson

 

Gotta love the title ~ Best Guilds banned for exploiting and cheating!

 

If they were the best, then they wouldn't need to take advantage of exploits and cheating...

They might not need to no, but that doesnt mean they wouldnt still be able to benefit from it and might still want to do it anyway.

Originally posted by poefue

There will be exploiting in any game.  I remember getting unlimited men in Super Mario bros on NES  by jumping up and down on a turtle.

That was so awesome. Sigh. Innocent fun games....I really should start playing more of them. Instead I took an arrow in ...no..I won't finish.

Originally posted by Zeal77

We don"t want your cheaters.

full ack.

"top guild" = "exploiting guild"? So i ask what makes them "top"? Has a guild just to exploit to be a so called "top guild"?

Thats just poor even for WoW.

People need lives. They take this shit way too seriously.

Originally posted by Lashley

People need lives. They take this shit way too seriously.

everything becomes serious when you're paying money for it.

I agree they should be banned if they knowingly used exploits to get ahead. Still...you all that applaud Blizzards actions...the article said they are banned...for eight days. Big deal. They need to permaban repeat offenders...but then they'd lose more subs and money..so I doubt that will ever happen.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Acvivm

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Quesa

The problem with calling them exploits is that it's only a label from a developer after they realize someone is using the game in a creative way.

EVERY person who did it knew it was wrong.

EVERYONE.

If they said "oh I didn't know that finding a creative way around loot rules was wrong"  they are lying.

 

They even reported the exploit to the developers while they were on the PTR. Blizzard didn't say anything about it at first so in their mind that means "Blizzard thinks its ok!! so lets do it!".

So you file a report, get no reply

AND THAT SAYS ITS OK?

...

What world are you living in?

 

Oh see I can entirely understand the concept... its the large picture.

 

In TOR beta back around say June... it became very apparant at least 3 guilds were using vent in Warzones.   I mean if you pvp a lot you can just tell...    Since the game was under NDA you were not supposed to use vent.   There was multiple threads about it.   These guilds made no attempt to hide the fact they were using vent.. they were not removed from beta even tho they violated (and admitted to it) the NDA.

 

When a company creates a license agreement and a terms of service with these epic lists of things you can't do... then takes no action when you DO do these things it creates a mindset.

 

The companies obviously are out to make a profit and these large guilds with many members, who play games for years are a large source of income.   So where is the incentive to actually enforce the rules?   The only real reason is if the violator is going to cost you more money by not being banned.

 

Pretty much they even say if you exploit X you will be perma banned.   Yet as we all know they give this tiny suspension instead... 

 

Its just like when we get the profanity discussion threads .. if you don't like it use the filter blah blah.   Its the same mindset or the exact same reason.   Code of Conduct says you will not use profanity... yet its in general chat all the time simply because they don't do anything about it.

 

So people exploit big suprise?   Of course that guild might be upset because they have probably been exploiting for years.   Now they get a suspension?   Their reaction is probably "how dare they"   (they being blizzard) and its blizzards own fault for creating the situation.   If they had enforced the rules from the start then it wouldn't be able to happen.

 

Its just like November of 2004 when DAoC finally bans for radar use right between the releases of EQ2 and WoW.   Along with the sarcastic statements of then PR woman Sonya "those people who will claim they got bored... were banned".   They had done nothing about the obvious and wide spread use of "radar" to the point it became "use it or lose".   I'm sure a rather large number of people enjoyed the game but got sick of being blind sided over and over and over again.   They had likely filed many reports and nothing was ever done.   They decide to "cheat" as well and then the bans came they all went to WoW or EQ2 or simply quit gaming.   DAoC took such a nosedive on concurrent "online" numbers (which used to be visible on the website) they must have had splinters.   The game never recovered...   WoW didn't offer anything of substance to people who really enjoyed DAoC and played it for years.   The damage would have been reduced if they had enforced the rules.

 

Heck even ISP's don't enforce rules.   Read the code of conduct or acceptable use policy of your ISP (at least in the US).   You will see pretty much the same things as the MMO list.   Well obviously cheating in a game isn't covered by the ISP but, there is a LOT of behaviour that is...  nobody enforces much of anything on the net.

 

Oh unless you piss off the recording industry of course...

 

People don't act like they do online just because they are /anon.   Its because they daily violate the rules of the various levels of service provider (from ISP to MMO company and beyond) and nobody ever does anything about it.

 

Imagine if the Code of Conduct etc were a contract.   One which you agree to follow and the companies agree to enforce.   Where lack of enforcement was grounds for breach of contract...   that's about the only way anything would be done.

 

/end ramble  

*edited for various clarity fixes *

Originally posted by Juggerz

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/top-guilds-banned-legendary-the-world-of-warcraft-show/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Media&utm_term=GBTV&utm_content=TopGuildsBanned&utm_campaign=Legenedary

 

Rumors of 1 guild quitting WoW because of it, and they are comming to SWTOR.

 

Discuss.

 

I don't get it? Are we sposta feel bad for cheaters who got caught? Can you really call them one of the best guilds if they're full if cheating bastards?

I can't find much sorrow for cheating. I'll try hold on, HNnnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhHHH nope still not there.

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Acvivm

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Quesa

The problem with calling them exploits is that it's only a label from a developer after they realize someone is using the game in a creative way.

EVERY person who did it knew it was wrong.

EVERYONE.

If they said "oh I didn't know that finding a creative way around loot rules was wrong"  they are lying.

 

They even reported the exploit to the developers while they were on the PTR. Blizzard didn't say anything about it at first so in their mind that means "Blizzard thinks its ok!! so lets do it!".

So you file a report, get no reply

AND THAT SAYS ITS OK?

...

What world are you living in?

 

Oh see I can entirely understand the concept... its the large picture.

 

In TOR beta back around say June... it became very apparant at least 3 guilds were using vent in Warzones.   I mean if you pvp a lot you can just tell...    Since the game was under NDA you were not supposed to use vent.   There was multiple threads about it.   These guilds made no attempt to hide the fact they were using vent.. they were not removed from beta even tho they violated (and admitted to it) the NDA.

 

When a company creates a license agreement and a terms of service with these epic lists of things you can't do... then takes no action when you DO do these things it creates a mindset.

 

The companies obviously are out to make a profit and these large guilds with many members, who play games for years are a large source of income.   So where is the incentive to actually enforce the rules?   The only real reason is if the violator is going to cost you more money by not being banned.

 

Pretty much they even say if you exploit X you will be perma banned.   Yet as we all know they give this tiny suspension instead... 

 

Its just like when we get the profanity discussion threads .. if you don't like it use the filter blah blah.   Its the same mindset or the exact same reason.   Code of Conduct says you will not use profanity... yet its in general chat all the time simply because they don't do anything about it.

 

So people exploit big suprise?   Of course that guild might be upset because they have probably been exploiting for years.   Now they get a suspension?   Their reaction is probably "how dare they"   (they being blizzard) and its blizzards own fault for creating the situation.   If they had enforced the rules from the start then it wouldn't be able to happen.

 

Its just like November of 2004 when DAoC finally bans for radar use right between the releases of EQ2 and WoW.   Along with the sarcastic statements of then PR woman Sonya "those people who will claim they got bored... were banned".   They had done nothing about the obvious and wide spread use of "radar" to the point it became "use it or lose".   I'm sure a rather large number of people enjoyed the game but got sick of being blind sided over and over and over again.   They had likely filed many reports and nothing was ever done.   They decide to "cheat" as well and then the bans came they all went to WoW or EQ2 or simply quit gaming.   DAoC took such a nosedive on concurrent "online" numbers (which used to be visible on the website) they must have had splinters.   The game never recovered...   WoW didn't offer anything of substance to people who really enjoyed DAoC and played it for years.   The damage would have been reduced if they had enforced the rules.

 

Heck even ISP's don't enforce rules.   Read the code of conduct or acceptable use policy of your ISP (at least in the US).   You will see pretty much the same things as the MMO list.   Well obviously cheating in a game isn't covered by the ISP but, there is a LOT of behaviour that is...  nobody enforces much of anything on the net.

 

Oh unless you piss off the recording industry of course...

 

People don't act like they do online just because they are /anon.   Its because they daily violate the rules of the various levels of service provider (from ISP to MMO company and beyond) and nobody ever does anything about it.

 

Imagine if the Code of Conduct etc were a contract.   One which you agree to follow and the companies agree to enforce.   Where lack of enforcement was grounds for breach of contract...   that's about the only way anything would be done.

 

/end ramble  

*edited for various clarity fixes *

 

You can try to rationalize it all you want. Your argument is not correct. You know how the police, in the U.S anyway, won't pull you over for going a few miles over the speed limit? They can, but they typically don't. The fact that they didn't doesn't mean you can do it regardless of the mindset it creates. Even though they didn't pull you over, you were still breaking the law, and will be again he next time you speed. And eventually, you'll probably get nailed. Just because they don't ban every cheater immediately, doesn't give you the go ahead to cheat. I'm glad they got banned. you know your exploiting, and you know it's not allowed.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Heres is a pretty obvious example of exploiting vs. creative thinking straight from this topic...

You are allowed to loot a Boss once a week...

You kill said Boss again before that week is up and verify this to be true...

One day, you realize with your creative thinking that hey, if I zone in and out, I can loot all I want...

So, you want to label this as creative thinking or exploiting?

I think creative thinking is a term made up by players who go out of their way to abuse game mechanic designs in ways not intended by developers.

 

EDIT: Try using the famous phrase... If it feels wrong, don't do it, before doing something that may get you banned.

 

To me its like, "here is a puzzle. Solve it."

 

"Oh but, you are not allowed to solve it like that. I know, I never made that clear. You should of just, known."

They should make virtual prisons for virtual criminals.

 

 

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Heres is a pretty obvious example of exploiting vs. creative thinking straight from this topic...

You are allowed to loot a Boss once a week...

You kill said Boss again before that week is up and verify this to be true...

One day, you realize with your creative thinking that hey, if I zone in and out, I can loot all I want...

So, you want to label this as creative thinking or exploiting?

I think creative thinking is a term made up by players who go out of their way to abuse game mechanic designs in ways not intended by developers.

 

EDIT: Try using the famous phrase... If it feels wrong, don't do it, before doing something that may get you banned.

 

To me its like, "here is a puzzle. Solve it."

 

"Oh but, you are not allowed to solve it like that. I know, I never made that clear. You should of just, known."

There is no puzzle to solve when looting a Boss. It's actually quite simple, you kill it, loot it and wait out your lockout period as was known by everyone who went out of their way to bypass the obvious. Why make up excuses?

The LFR makes me forget how to spell 'difficult'