Originally posted by Laughing-man

Let me explain something to everyone then, to all of those out there who are confused or annoyed by the changes.

 

LISTEN UP!    :-D

 

They are removing abilites that are not optimal for your spec, that means 'ITS A TRAP' abilities, things that if you use them you are silly or downright foolish to use t hem, are being removed from that spec.

THIS IS GOOD!

Blizz is helping us out here, they're making it so you don't get stuck in a party where a healer is using the wrong heal cus they don't know better, or a DPS is spamming an attack they shouldn't even be using at all.  It happen a lot in heroics when you get some random people in there that random element is sometimes stupid.

 

And if they add back all the talents they removed that were useful you might have half a talent tree again. There is a difference between making optimal abilities or just having premade characters with preset spells and skills, which is really what is going on. People like having unique characters and unique talents, they like outthinking the other guy with their build. This is alien to kids who just went to EJ or wowhead and got a premade. I had 3 max level characters for PVP in WOW in my time there none of them had cookie cutter specs and I did very well in pvp to say the least, my roomate had a few unique builds and was a heavy raider, and was top 3 in gear on two servers. This is NOT GOOD this is a way to make the unthinking player not have an inferiority complex and be an all inclusive habitat for ADD children with no attention span. 

Way too many changes?

Dude those are MoP changes list, NOT patch 4.3.

People always accuse Blizzard to do the "same old" and just reskin everything and sell it to you again... Well I guess they are not doing that if there are people complaining of the too many changes for an expansion...

I think changing classes mechanics is a GOOD thing! People get bored of doing the same thing for repeated amount of time, no matter how fun it is, it eventually gets old.

Games, to remain fresh, need to change it up and yes, make it fresh again.

But it is not just change for change's sake, all Human things evolve, you might have noticed that we do not have one model of car, one model of TV or one model of Computer, we always get new stuff with changes in it. Also stylistic sensibilities change and the video game world in particular is always in a state of evolution as new mechanics and gameplay elements come out all the time.

Would you really prefer to be stuck back in 2004 with NO changes in gameplay even if more modern games with new ideas and things came out since then??

Maybe you do, but I certainly don't. I want my Skyrim to be Skyrim and not Oblivion.

Now for another thing, how many companies gives you THIS amount of information about an expansion 6+ months BEFORE release time when it is not even in Alpha??

And then people say Blizzard do not care about players feedback? why else would they release this stuff this early?? and this is not the shiny fancy stuff that might keep people from leaving.. these are details that only the players that care about this sort of things would find interesting.

So in the end? Changes are not always good, but they need to exist and the fact Blizzard release their changes this early give us, the players, a chance to express our (civil!) opinion about them.

Originally posted by observer

I know what you mean too.  When cata had major overhauls to the game, it kind of ruined the experience for me.  Sometimes change keeps the game fresh though, but too many changes also turns people off, especially when they're so used to their character's rotations and specs.

Cata changes were to drastic and I felt Cata made a completely new game and not a good one so I left.

I think it is more about the age of the games that any changes to mechanics.

MMOs always change, it is kinda one of the points with the genre. If you want a game that more or less stays the same you should play Vanguard or something similar instead.

That doesn't mean all changes are good or anything, but Blizzard think they need to do them to fit for their current playerbase, which isn't quite the same as it was in vanilla days. Blizzard usually have a good feel for what the majority of their players want (even if the pandas make me doubt that a little), that is how they got so many players in the first place.

@OP

so WoW is dying because its bringing many changes?....

people are really strange.... first they say that an mmo that keeps doing the same things over and over get boring and lose playerbase and the game dies... Now the game dies if they change the things?...

ive never played Vanilla WoW but it seems many many people liked it so much and they want it back. Perhaps if Blizzard bring the game to a Vanilla-like state, many nostalgic old players would come back to the game... BUT if the game never evolved from a vanilla state in 7 years (not changing at all) people would have been sick to death of the same for 7 years. Therefore, WoW wouldn't have been the mammoth these days.

Yes, some of the changes made in WoW over so many years arent the best ones, but mmos have to evolve and bring many changes, for good

especially older games

Still waiting on someone to tell me how the new MOP talent tree is good for a Blood DK - because from what I can tell most of the choices in the talent tree are for DPS and not tanking.   And the two slef heals we use to have are going into the same tree level and we're being forced t ochoose just one and those have been nerfed.   Every time I turn around they are nerfing Blood DK's self healing abilities.    That really pisses me off.

Originally posted by Teala

Still waiting on someone to tell me how the new MOP talent tree is good for a Blood DK - because from what I can tell most of the choices in the talent tree are for DPS and not tanking.   And the two slef heals we use to have are going into the same tree level and we're being forced t ochoose just one and those have been nerfed.   Every time I turn around they are nerfing Blood DK's self healing abilities.    That really pisses me off.

I agree with you.  These new MOP talents don't  make sense for Blood DKs.  If i have to guess, they are changing it because of pvp.  Blood pvp is way too powerful, and some things need to be nerfed, but they are going about it the wrong way.  Hopefully they can still change it, but i really doubt they will.

Are you kidding me?? Those druid changes look sweet. Druid has been my main ever since Vanilla. Do you think I want to play one and the same class? IF anything, I hated how slowly Blizzard changed my class - aka not enough new skills/talents or other changes. These changes look fun.

Originally posted by Teala

Still waiting on someone to tell me how the new MOP talent tree is good for a Blood DK - because from what I can tell most of the choices in the talent tree are for DPS and not tanking.   And the two slef heals we use to have are going into the same tree level and we're being forced t ochoose just one and those have been nerfed.   Every time I turn around they are nerfing Blood DK's self healing abilities.    That really pisses me off.

they buffed DK's self healing the last few patches, they just buffed DK tanks a crap ton last patch.

If you look at the changes to other tanks in MoP and then look at DK you'll see something interesting, they're balacing against each other still.

Last stand is now no cool down, but costs 80 rage.   Reactinary ability with no cooldown but a resource cost.  Word of Glory for pally tanks cooldown removed, still costs holy power.

We don't know the full picture yet, its also still in alpha.