Originally posted by nomss

I'm intriged. But I don't think I'll be getting it... If this comes out before TOR maybe... no... most likely not.

I'm fairly sure it won't.  It's been less than a year since Cata, and even if they reduce the development time like was talked about, we're looking at June next year.

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Originally posted by Drekker17

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Originally posted by SuperXero89

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Originally posted by Fozzik

If GW2 hasn't released yet, I will indeed buy the expansion, play a panda monk, and I'll have some fun doing it.
I'm somewhat pissed off about the flying thing...taking away all the skills I spent so much money on getting and taking away my ability to fly until I level to max. 

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This is the one thing I don't understand.  So are they saying that I will not be able to fly in Azeroth, Northrend, Outland, and Pandaria until I reach levle 90 once the expansion goes live or will I just not be able to fly in Pandaria?

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You will not be able to fly in Pandaria. Just like azeroth flying worked, you could fly in BC and Wotlk zones, but not in Azeroth...so you still will be able to fly in Azeroth, Outland and Northrend...just not Pandaria.

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Okay, I went back and read a bunch of articles again, and now I'm not sure. It's pretty unclear...

Everyone just says something like "don't plan on flying until max level". Which could be taken several different ways.

It's possible that MoP will be just like previous expansions, and you just won't be able to fly in the newly added areas until you get the new flying skill at max level.

Sorry I added to the confusion. IF anyone find a more clear explanation of what's happening with flying in MoP, I'd be interested to hear it.

I don't know what game you've been playing but in my world gnomes and goblins (who are nothing but a fat comic relief)  are far worse.

I actually like the pandaren, they are somewhat refreshing.

Given I'm an x-wow player... I must say the next exansion... eh...

Pros:

1.) Oriental Zones do add variety and In my Opinion, aren't a bad touch.

2.) Pandarien (despite much redicule) are actually a nice addition to a race. They are part of the Warcraft universe by far and having them in won't be a bad thing.

3.) Monk class is interesting, seems to be shying away from the 'hero' classes they were big on though... guess that got ditched, but eh, I didn't  like hero class anyways, a bit flawed concept where you are purposely 'avoiding' gameplay.

4.) "Time trials/Pet Battles": Figure I'd add this cause its not a bad thing at all. Its nothing that amazing but it gives something else to work for and it could be entertaining. More 'things to do' which is a pro though not really one you can call 'game changing'.

Cons:

1.) One new race on both fractions: Terrible idea in making the sides look different. Blood elf was one particular area that was iffy on but lorewise it did make sense and it was one side. Having only one race and just having it tossed in on both sides will lead to so much confusion and just feels like a cheap move to avoid having to create another race for one side or the other.

2.) Zones. Having them all keep a more oriental theme (as far as I see), it just loses flavor. Variety is the best way to make things look interesting and the design just seems lack luster to have it tossed in such a large amount of that oriental feel that its probably going to drown out and lose its touch.

3.) "Goal" Sorry, but as soon as you make a trailer that hypes up how amazing and tough your journey was and then suddenly throw into 'welcome to casual world!" You really downplay the game and take away any sense of accomplishment. Who wants to really play a game that they have nothing to look forward or work for. You played BC hoping to take on illidan. Wotlk you wanted to take down arthus. Cataclysm its Deathwing. Without a goal, it feels lack luster and in a game dependant on end game, your just burrying yourself.

4.) Talent system 2.0: Holy **** of bad design choices. Your attempt to remove 'cookie cutter' builds is going to end up making them that much more common. Your going to likely have things more similiar or hopefully you manage to keep it the same. What is the worst part though? You pretty much made leveling feel even less like you accomplish something then before. Talents give you something to feel like your progressing forward and let you feel like your 'customizing' your character. Now you pretty much level and nothing happens which just makes WoW's leveling grind actually worst off. 

Yes, my cons are much more details and do stick out a lot greater then the pros. I would play the Panda, yes I said it, I would and I'd like it. Theres a lot more flaws to this expansion that are really getting downplayed for Pandas which is a bit sad people are so blinded by it that they see things in such a vague fashion. I could bet that a lot of gamers who would be given a solid teddy bear of gold for free would shove it away because its to 'kiddy' for them despite being very valuable.

I wouldn't be happy if I still play the game.

I'm happy because I don't. :)

Originally posted by Fozzik

 

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Originally posted by SuperXero89

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Originally posted by Fozzik
If GW2 hasn't released yet, I will indeed buy the expansion, play a panda monk, and I'll have some fun doing it.
I'm somewhat pissed off about the flying thing...taking away all the skills I spent so much money on getting and taking away my ability to fly until I level to max. 

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This is the one thing I don't understand.  So are they saying that I will not be able to fly in Azeroth, Northrend, Outland, and Pandaria until I reach levle 90 once the expansion goes live or will I just not be able to fly in Pandaria?

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They are taking away your ability to fly completely. You won't be able to fly at all, anywhere, until you buy the new flying skill at level 90.

It will mean that some of the content in prior expansions will need to be changed, but what they will probably do is just add NPCs that provide you with temporary flying mounts for those quests where they are required (like they have already done in a few places).

They want players to be more connected and more "present" in the world. A lot of elements they added to the game in the past caused players to pretty much never be in the world at all. Most people just flew over everything or sat in cities waiting for instances (which isn't really a surprise, I'm not sure why they didn't see it coming).

I kinda see why they wouldnt want people flying over the new content but no flying at all anywhere would be a bit harsh. I will say that flying at 60 pretty much ruined Outland for new players and anyone leveling an alt  but taking it away is just taking something away that was already earned.

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Originally posted by Rusty715

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Originally posted by Fozzik
 

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Originally posted by SuperXero89

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Originally posted by Fozzik
If GW2 hasn't released yet, I will indeed buy the expansion, play a panda monk, and I'll have some fun doing it.
I'm somewhat pissed off about the flying thing...taking away all the skills I spent so much money on getting and taking away my ability to fly until I level to max. 

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This is the one thing I don't understand.  So are they saying that I will not be able to fly in Azeroth, Northrend, Outland, and Pandaria until I reach levle 90 once the expansion goes live or will I just not be able to fly in Pandaria?

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They are taking away your ability to fly completely. You won't be able to fly at all, anywhere, until you buy the new flying skill at level 90.
It will mean that some of the content in prior expansions will need to be changed, but what they will probably do is just add NPCs that provide you with temporary flying mounts for those quests where they are required (like they have already done in a few places).
They want players to be more connected and more "present" in the world. A lot of elements they added to the game in the past caused players to pretty much never be in the world at all. Most people just flew over everything or sat in cities waiting for instances (which isn't really a surprise, I'm not sure why they didn't see it coming).

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I kinda see why they wouldnt want people flying over the new content but no flying at all anywhere would be a bit harsh. I will say that flying at 60 pretty much ruined Outland for new players and anyone leveling an alt  but taking it away is just taking something away that was already earned.

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Upon arrival in Pandaria, players will be restricted from flying until they reach a certain point in their quest progression. While the ability to fly is a great convenience for players once they have completed content, we can provide a much more enjoyable, rewarding, and varied questing experience if players are (mostly) grounded while the story of Pandaria unfolds.

Originally posted by gabox

Seriously but who mature player

is going to play a panda?

I think Blizzard wish to get more kids in the game

since is losing its mature base player.

 

LIke many players, after the Cataclysm fiasco,

I was wating for a future best expansion for WoW

like the so waited "Emerald Dream" or

"the titans come to azeroth" but

we get this pandarien expansion.

 

 

 

yes mature players can still have the game and enjoy a panda in WoW.... what is more fun for a mature person: A) roll a panda in a video game. B) go out with a poodle in real life and have to grab its poo on every grass its step on.....

ill stay with the panda...

if you think pandas in WoW are for kids, then i wonder how many kids are ruling the asian continent which is full of pandas... mmmh

Originally posted by gabox

Seriously but who mature player

is going to play a panda?

That is the nice thing about MMO's, If you like a race you can play it, if you don't; then you don't.

I am going to try out the Pandas, I like expiriencing the new starting areas. but for those Mature players; they don't have to play a Panda. The Pandas can just be NPC's quest givers for them.

However, I find it odd that in a game that has space goats,  people are in an uproar about Panda's.

WoW has never stuck to a tratitional fantasy setting, I have flown in planes, fired machine guns, I have been asked by Jack Bouden to dissarm a BOMB that is going to explode! I have used a Jet pack to fly over to an enemy gun ship, I have met a pacifist Ogre and a Dwarf that wants to Punch a Dragon in the Face!

But a Panda? Oh; there I draw the line! *Sarcasm*

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Rusty715

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Originally posted by Fozzik
 

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Originally posted by SuperXero89

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Originally posted by Fozzik
If GW2 hasn't released yet, I will indeed buy the expansion, play a panda monk, and I'll have some fun doing it.
I'm somewhat pissed off about the flying thing...taking away all the skills I spent so much money on getting and taking away my ability to fly until I level to max. 

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This is the one thing I don't understand.  So are they saying that I will not be able to fly in Azeroth, Northrend, Outland, and Pandaria until I reach levle 90 once the expansion goes live or will I just not be able to fly in Pandaria?

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They are taking away your ability to fly completely. You won't be able to fly at all, anywhere, until you buy the new flying skill at level 90.
It will mean that some of the content in prior expansions will need to be changed, but what they will probably do is just add NPCs that provide you with temporary flying mounts for those quests where they are required (like they have already done in a few places).
They want players to be more connected and more "present" in the world. A lot of elements they added to the game in the past caused players to pretty much never be in the world at all. Most people just flew over everything or sat in cities waiting for instances (which isn't really a surprise, I'm not sure why they didn't see it coming).

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I kinda see why they wouldnt want people flying over the new content but no flying at all anywhere would be a bit harsh. I will say that flying at 60 pretty much ruined Outland for new players and anyone leveling an alt  but taking it away is just taking something away that was already earned.

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Flying isn't restricted until you get to Panderia. Before that you can fly everywhere else, just like you always could before.

From the Q&A Panel:
Q: Will players be allowed to fly in Pandaria?

 

Upon arrival in Pandaria, players will be restricted from flying until they reach a certain point in their quest progression. While the ability to fly is a great convenience for players once they have completed content, we can provide a much more enjoyable, rewarding, and varied questing experience if players are (mostly) grounded while the story of Pandaria unfolds.

Ok. That makes sense. Same thing happened in Northrend with the cold weather flying.

Cant be worse then the Lich King xpack.

I'm coming back for 1 reason...

Battlegrounds with my mage.

My mage is my only 85, and only 85 i'll ever have.. I truely love playing BG's in wow, but thats as far as it goes

im fine with pandas. i dont really know enough about how the rest is going to play out. overall its a very different game for me these days. while i prefer vanilla, why play a clone? so i'll keep playing, occasionally, until the industry comes up with something that is more than just another wow clones. not holding my breath.

The funny thing is, right now everyone is saying MoP sucks, Blizzard is crazy and half the player base is going to quit. This is the End of WoW, all the Gamers are going to play SW:TOR or GW2. Blizzard just killed WoW.

But after MoP comes out and it sells like crazy those same people are going to say: Success means nothing, I don't care how many new players are playing WoW, after all look how successful Britney spears is and she sucks. Lowest common denominator, Lowest common denominator. (And then there will be a bunch of finger pointing)

Just you wait.

I will play the expansion. What's your point?