I am gonig to laugh at all these threads when TOR knocks WoW out of its now number two spot oh ya did we forget that WoW is not even on the number one spot anymore. lmao

WoW adding content is the worse thing they could have done?

Facebook is going to change again, get ready to slash your collective wrists. 

..wishful thinking..

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

I've always thought StarWars was going to be successful but the degree of success was always in question . The elephant in the room was always what Blizzard were going to do to combat the potential competition from TOR . With the annoucement of the Kung Fu Panda expanion yesterday which seams extremly weak in concept I think Blizzard have given it to TOR on a plate . If the game is as polished and fun as early reviews make it out to be the potential exodus from WoW to StarWars could now be on a epic scale . There must be howls of delight and relief in the Bioware offices at the huge miss step by Blizzard just as they are about to release TOR .

An early Christmas present indeed .

Some people just never learn.... every year same dance and song. Why people never learn?

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Originally posted by Anitorious

I feel that you all miss the point of MMO's in general here.This is not a contest, it does not matter who rises and who falls, it doesn't matter how long WoW lives on for, and you shouldn't bother other's with such nonsense. The truth is, we play these games to have fun, not to be cool, or to be 'Hardcore'.

WoW has been around for a long time, and I have played it, I'm considerably good at what I do, but for me it got old and I wasn't having the fun I used to and so I moved on to another. Admittedly I will be buying SWTOR and GW2 but that is because I am a huge starwars fan, and GW1 PvP was my guilty pleasure, and I enjoyed it. Personally, for me, I am not really swayed by the new race, although I really love the new class idea! (Melee Healing? Yes Please!). But this does not signify the end of WoW, and it does not signify the strength of the competition, they will all make their money, and everyone will be happy and I would be happier if this schism between those that play one MMO and those that play another would stop.

"OMGZ  Dragonz Age is teh best and it will killz wow." THis sounds inevitably stupid, why? Because they are from two totally different genres, catering to totally different audiences. And it's the same with MMO's, SWTOR has a SciFi setting with a Starwars IP, Wow is a fantasy based MMO with a fun and cartoony look, GW is a more serious looking fantasy game with alot of innovation going into everything. And anyway, WoW is no king of MMO's, the asian MMO's have plenty more subs than WoW will ever accumulate, but thats in the east, in the west here WoW is one of the most well known, most played. So why did I compare them at all? They are two totally different audiences.

 

To finish off all I will say is that, Blizzard will make this work, Bioware will make SWTOR work and GW2 will be awesome too.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean another won't. We are all different!

 

WOO STARWARS :P

People who are complaining usually can't enjoy it and have fun. I can only image what some of them are like in real life, if they are even approuchable.

They are usually the same folks who are bitching cause their game has not been made.

I find it sad really, but we must remember that forums aren't well populated and so most of these childish comments come from a very small minority who join forums specifically to defend their "game".

OnTopic: The direction WoW is heading in does seem quite childish!? And I do understand that there are other mechanics that are being brought in as we speak, that really are an exciting turn for this game, but I feel all their hard work will be overshadowed by this Pandarian business. But who are we to say the decision they made was the wrong decision, I'm pretty sure we aren't experienced Game Devs and Business Men ourselves.

TOR is WOW with a Star Wars skin.   TOR will come and go and be no more succesful then all the other WOW clone out there.

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

The expansion will out sale SWTOR and Blizzard will laugh all the way to the bank. :P

honestly i hope the expansion does well for WoW and i hope it keeps most of wow players playing wow because im sick of games i try being full of those idiots.

people allways say wow killer, i say screw that keep wow alive we dont want that community going to other games.

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

The expansion will out sale SWTOR and Blizzard will laugh all the way to the bank. :P

honestly i hope the expansion does well for WoW and i hope it keeps most of wow players playing wow because im sick of games i try being full of those idiots.

people allways say wow killer, i say screw that keep wow alive we dont want that community going to other games.

If you were trying to appear more mature and intelligent than an average WOW player you generalised as 'idiots'..i think message got lost somewhere in translation. 

It's pretty common for most people to have more than one MMO subscription, yet you guys always paint it as one or the other.  Personally, I think tons of WoW players will also subscribe to TOR.  One, it's a different genre (Sci-Fi), second, it's a way to mix it up and take a break from WoW every now and then.  Some will completely convert, while others will keep both and fewer still who will cancel TOR and stick solely with WoW.  The big question is how many might completely convert and cancel their WoW subs.

My bet is that most people who still play WoW, will end up playing both.

Originally posted by Aguitha

TOR is WOW with a Star Wars skin.   TOR will come and go and be no more succesful then all the other WOW clone out there.

QFMFT

ToR will be fine but no way will it retain more then a couple hundred thousand subs after the first month, and half the servers will be merged. 

There is more similarities of ToR to WoW then ToR to Eve.  Until fanbois realize this then they are forever doomed to bask in the glory of WoW and its clones.

Originally posted by Satarious

I think Blizzard has pretty much fully embraced the 10 year old and below crowd with this update.  SWTOR is going to get lots of refugees from WoW fleeing the "kiddies game" with this update.  LoL!

LoL! Yah they will get the refugees for a month, I give it that, TOR has the masses of people that haven't played a PC game before going for it, for sure. But people can't just walk away from a 7 year relationship with a game... The timing of the next WoW expansion regardless of all the criticism, is genius.

TOR looks great, and I can't wait to play it, but by no means will I be leaving WoW for it.

Originally posted by Supersoups

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

The expansion will out sale SWTOR and Blizzard will laugh all the way to the bank. :P

honestly i hope the expansion does well for WoW and i hope it keeps most of wow players playing wow because im sick of games i try being full of those idiots.

people allways say wow killer, i say screw that keep wow alive we dont want that community going to other games.

If you were trying to appear more mature and intelligent than an average WOW player you generalised as 'idiots'..i think message got lost somewhere in translation. 

first off its a opinion not a translation and 2nd you seem to understand what i meant just fine so whats the problem? are you a sad wow player because i dont want people like you in the games i play?

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Aguitha

TOR is WOW with a Star Wars skin.   TOR will come and go and be no more succesful then all the other WOW clone out there.

QFMFT

 

ToR will be fine but no way will it retain more then a couple hundred thousand subs after the first month, and half the servers will be merged. 

 

There is more similarities of ToR to WoW then ToR to Eve.  Until fanbois realize this then they are forever doomed to bask in the glory of WoW and its clones.

Clone

4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function.

If you were to mean No. 4, It would not be a clone, and in fact it would be at the same time, making every online multiplayer game a clone of one another in fact because they all function in a similar way. Why is it that MMO's are the only games I see with such banter.

I would be lieing if I said I havent enjoyed WoW , I've had an active acount since release. I even found some.. enjoyment in cata.

But I think Cata was already where the ship went down.. A payed revamp just isnt the same as an expansion to me. But it is funny to me they fell back to their old rolemodel Soe, they originally based raiding on EQ and now the new monk class is practicly using the same combat system as Monk / Disciples on vanguards.

Personally I wouldnt have gone with Panda's but then again the community did ask for them since release. My biggest gripe is they just made 1 race.. , I still think they should have added 2 races, 1 for each faction.

The monk class imo was a good choise, the class itself does sound like fun, I know I like that type of game play considering Ive been playing monk /  disciples in various of games. And its a clear sign they DID listen to the community, this is a class that has been asked for since.. release. I dont think they should have gone Tank -Healer - dps though.

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

I've always thought StarWars was going to be successful but the degree of success was always in question . The elephant in the room was always what Blizzard were going to do to combat the potential competition from TOR . With the annoucement of the Kung Fu Panda expanion yesterday which seams extremly weak in concept I think Blizzard have given it to TOR on a plate . If the game is as polished and fun as early reviews make it out to be the potential exodus from WoW to StarWars could now be on a epic scale . There must be howls of delight and relief in the Bioware offices at the huge miss step by Blizzard just as they are about to release TOR .

An early Christmas present indeed .

I suspect the announcement of Pandaria will have little to no effect on TOR in the short term. Face it, the expansion will not come out anytime soon, and people are probably going to try TOR in the meantime. The trick will be if Bioware can hold those people for a year or more so that when Pandaria actually launches, a majority of players do not return to WoW.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Aguitha

TOR is WOW with a Star Wars skin.   TOR will come and go and be no more succesful then all the other WOW clone out there.

QFMFT

 

ToR will be fine but no way will it retain more then a couple hundred thousand subs after the first month, and half the servers will be merged. 

 

There is more similarities of ToR to WoW then ToR to Eve.  Until fanbois realize this then they are forever doomed to bask in the glory of WoW and its clones.

lol that's just fucking hilarious.  Who in the hell would want ToR to be like Eve?  Eve sucks.  Eve is a horrible niche game that is as much an MMORPG as World of Tanks is. 

WoW works, it was a great game in it's time.  Take WoW, enhance it, fix things, give us entire new worlds to explore, new classes, new quests, epic stories, and fucking lightsabers!  How the hell is that a bad thing?

Originally posted by XiThRyL

Originally posted by Satarious

. But people can't just walk away from a 7 year relationship with a game... The timing of the next WoW expansion regardless of all the criticism, is genius.

They will if the future looks bleak.  And this Kung Fu Panda nonsense looks pretty bleak from my standpoint.  It's a little like how George Lucas tried to pander to the kiddies with the annoying Jar Jar Binks.  It pleases the under 12 year old crowd who don't know any better, but only pisses off the rest of the fans.  I think this is going to finally cause WoW's subscriber numbers to slide dramatically.  When you've got two bad ass MMO games coming out (SWTOR and Guild Wars 2) and acting as a sort of head vice for WoW, it's not a very good idea to embrace the panda.

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

Originally posted by Supersoups

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

The expansion will out sale SWTOR and Blizzard will laugh all the way to the bank. :P

honestly i hope the expansion does well for WoW and i hope it keeps most of wow players playing wow because im sick of games i try being full of those idiots.

people allways say wow killer, i say screw that keep wow alive we dont want that community going to other games.

If you were trying to appear more mature and intelligent than an average WOW player you generalised as 'idiots'..i think message got lost somewhere in translation. 

first off its a opinion not a translation and 2nd you seem to understand what i meant just fine so whats the problem? are you a sad wow player because i dont want people like you in the games i play?

I think you should check what 'irony' means. Because if you did, you would understand what iw as trying to say.  And what do you mean people like me? do you even know me? did i punch your babies or shoot your dog? don't think so. 

Originally posted by zencommando

 

I suspect the announcement of Pandaria will have little to no effect on TOR in the short term. Face it, the expansion will not come out anytime soon, and people are probably going to try TOR in the meantime. The trick will be if Bioware can hold those people for a year or more so that when Pandaria actually launches, a majority of players do not return to WoW.

I agree.  It's not about drawing people away from a game for a month or even a few months, it's about keeping players in your game, and if SWTOR fails to deliver in a big way, a lot of WoW fans are going to be happy to return to try out the monk class, even if they dislike the addition of pandas.  And I suspect the monk class will be great fun to play, not to mention somewhat overpowered for awhile, although if Blizzard is smart, they won't be as obvious about it as they were with the DK.

The players it won't easily bring back are those like me.  I didn't buy Cata, so I'd be looking at around $100 to upgrade after whatever free trial period is offered.  That would have to be one hell of a trial for me to pay that and then $15 a month on top of it, all to access a game with extremely outdated graphics plus a setting and quest-based progression system that were never my first choice to begin with.

It makes me wonder when GW2 will release.  I doubt they'll want to go head to head with it.  Maybe GW2 will manage a Feb-March release, I sure hope it's not going to be next August or something awful far away like that.

Their other competition if they were waiting six months will be The Secret World, but how many players who would be tempted by WoW after all these years will refuse to return because of a game that is markedly different in setting and mechanics from WoW?  Although many may buy all of the above, too.  SWTOR, GW2, TSW, and WoW.  Then they'll probably buy Archeage, too.  

I suspect the whole "Kung Fu Panda" thing is a shift to appeal to what they see as their primary market now.  In other words it's heading East.  Now I'm not willing to predict that it will make them more, or less, profitable overall.  But one never knows... It might become something like Korea's #1 E-Sport, and survive another 12 years.  Especially if they go F2P and start sucking people's money out of them with an RMT shop.

Remember the old saying - "If you can't beat em Join em"?  *rolleyes*

My personal view is, let WoW do what WoW does. All i want is a healthy pop for swtor on the server i'm on and keep bringing out new content for me to do.

Now i'm sure that some people will leave WoW over this as is the case with any update. It's like a tree shaking off some leaves. It will lose a few but will still be there come later (unless someone cuts it down) Now will these people go to swtor? good chance as similar game mechanics (tab targeting, themepark type), will they stay? can't say, those that just want to power through the game and not worry about the story will most likely leave as they will shoot ahead of others and try and claim they beat the game. But those will fall on the ears of people (hopefully) that say so what your at end-game i'm just enjoying the journey.

While i hope that the people who play WoW will enjoy SW:TOR, i really only want the people who are interested in playing the game because thats what they enjoy doing, not because they want to play another game to say ha WoW i'm leaving you for this guy instead. Because at the end of the day they are either A going to go to a new game (as they hopped once good chance they will do it again) or B will just go back to WoW after they let go of their grudge.

As for the pandas themselves, that will depend on aesthetics. Do the pandas fit well with the game universe, if they do, then they will work well. If they don't, then people will notice that as well.

I say let SW:TOR be SW:TOR let WoW be WoW. I don't feel at this moment that TOR needs to beat WoW. It just needs to do well enough to stay alive.

What i don't want is all the bad apple people going to SW:ToR to trash it for not being as "good" as WoW in their eyes, i get too much of this in every game. I know it will happen in this one to. It's unavoidable, it's popular, it's a competition to WoW, it's new. So it's going to happen. I just hope the slowness of the story, the required choices to make and the large worlds will kinda make those crowds move somewhere else. I will take the people who enjoy playing this kind of game, but not those that are just looking to get back at WoW for X reason or those that just want to trash the game. They can move on to the next popular game and do the same.