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Well i ve finally seen what this game is like . After all the negativity saying it was just another lineage style game .Asian grinder etc etc it was pleasant to see that Aion is non of these things . Its so much more . Its polished and in its early levels its an easy equal if not better than warcraft . This game has the potential to steal some of wows thunder . I for one am looking forward to it . Its about time warcraft had some real competition and i think and i hope its got it at last . |
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Very informative. Thanks. |
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Originally posted by googajoob7 This so belongs in the WOW forum I guess? Aion is not WOW competition and most people, other than Aion fanbois know it. The reasons are varied and easily found in these forums so I am not going to rehash them here. Aion is WAR competition. Simply put, Aion will still a few WOW players for a couple months until they grow bored with it or get fed up with PVP or the community that thinks that insults are the best way to talk to people who criticize precious game and seriously make me long for the WOW community. Aion is as much of a threat as AOC or WAR. |
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Every mmo really competes with every other mmo to some degree or another . The thing i saw most in Aion was that in the ways it plays its closest competitor is warcraft . While i m sure it will take player from Warhammer and Age of Conan i think thier niche markets are slightly more durable than WoWs at the moment , of course Warcraft can afford to lose a lot more players . I dont rule out my returning to Warcraft at some point in the furture but i m proberbly not alone in not liking some of the directions the games taken and Blizzards attitude to its player base , theres a lot of people in wow wanting something new ( theres also a lot entrenched in the game world that will be there for years to come ) . To those of you who are in the former catagory i would say if your looking for an alternative to Warcraft when you get bored i think Aion might be the game for you . I cant say too much about the endgame ( i m not sure how valid the comment made my people who say they ve been on one of the asian servers are . do the asian servers off english language servers ? because i can imgaine if your playing a game where you cant understand the language it would be quite difficult to assertain what its about and how the quests work ) . i dont know many westerners that speak korean or chinese . After seeing the beta alli can say is I ve seen enough to convince me that this is the game for me to try as a replacement to warcraft untill the next expansion comes out . Mind you if AIons that good i might not bother coming back . If your not sure its for you i would wait for the trial , but somehow i think your going to get a lot of people in Warcraft itself saying how good it is and leaving this autumn . The thing is if Aion is a korean grinder the trolls view will win through and if not no amount of trolling will hide how good a game it is . In the end if it is a game of quality ( and i personlly think it could be from the limited amount ive see so far ) there will be nothing a Troll can say to hide the fact . Warcrafts had its fair share over the years to no avail after all . I never expected a wowkiller and i still dont , but for once ( since the release of warcraft ) theres a game about to be released that seams to be very polished ( not half finnished like conan or vanguard )and accessable ( not a niche game like lord of the rings or warhammer ) so i think this is the first mmorpg that can offer a real alternative to what Blizzard have to offer . Sorry trolls i dont think you can right this one off however hard you try and i m sure you will try you best . |
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As I posted in a similar thread: Aion has too many factors that will limit its appeal to WOW players. What perople forget is that to compete with WOW the game must appeal directly to ~10 million WOW players. Such things with Aion as the graphics style, the fact it is consider a "grinder", nCSoft's complete inability to control bots and the fact that PVP is pretty much required to get anywhere, and the end-game is 99% PVP focused, AION will not appeal to your average WOW gamer. And I honestly could care less is Aion has 1 subscriber or 100 million subscribers in China. Numbers mean nothing in this market. Both AOC and WAR had incredible numbers prior to launch (preview weekends, visitors to the site, pre-orders, etc...) and we know how those games turned out. And yes the hype following the first major preview weekend for AOC is very similar to what happened with Aion this past weekend. Past success in other parts of the world does not mean future success in other parts of the world. So far the conventional wisdom from most people I have read is that Aion is the same ole same ole only with PVP and wings. It does not have that hook that a new MMO requires for staying power. For AOC the hook was supposedly the combat - it was to be wild and visceral. True it was but it also got repetitive to a fault after a while. For WAR, it was the RVR - it was nice but again instanced RVR was boring and a waste of time. AIon has no hook from what I have seen. Most people will tell you, even vets of the game, that 1-25 is boring and the "real game begins at 25". That's great, but for most people, they need to be hooked immediately now. Few will give the game time to hook them, much less 25 levels of it. Remember, to compete WOW, the game has to not only be on par with WOW but be better than WOW and cause the player to say "This game is better than WOW for _____ reasons". Every game since WOW has launched has failed to do that. AIon's playerbase will come from WOW and if Aion isn't better than WOW, the players will go back to WOW very quickly. What people are also forgetting is that Aion launches about 2 weeks after Blizzcon where Blizzard will most likely announce the next expansion and/or some really cool features of the upcoming patch. By that time, it should be 3.3, which will probably introduce Arthas and the Icecrown citadel - the culminating event of WotLK. This will be an immediate hook for most WOW players and Aion will have to compete with that. I expect Aion to do well. My guess is 500k-750k subs at the start and it will level off to about 250k or so. Simply put, Aion cannot compete with WOW if it is, as you say its like WOW. WOW will always win out when compared simply because it was first and people have so much invested in their characters and friendships and guilds and a lot of other things. Aion must literally PULL them away from that and I honestly just do not believe it is strong enough (in the long term) to do it. |
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i dont think that is correct .a game could be on a par with wow and still offer some competition to it . what you seam to forget is people get bored with the same game year in year out . at present warcraft really only offers maybe 6 - 9 months of solid play if you level up two characters one horde one alliance . after that a lot of what your doing is repeating yourself . while some people enjoy making alts a lot of people dont . if your new coming into warcraft i would imagine it still seams to be an incredible game but theres plenty of player that arnt new to it and would welcome something similar enough for them to feel at home and fresh enough to offer something new to them . as i ve said in this thread . i dont know what aion really has to offer . inspite of what a lot of people say . i highly doubt they have been in the asian servers . some people may have be but a lot more will lie about it for reasons of their own . i only know hwat i ve seen . early levels quests offer the same sort of thing to warcraft , graphically its a lot nicer ( so maybe it does offer something more than wow ) , i would love to know what the pvp is like and it ll be interesting to see what sort of community arises when it is released . i find it interesting theres a warcrafts invincible mentality amongst its players . its almost like saying its an unsinkable ship . i seam to remember one ship that was described as such . what was its name again ? oh yes the titanic :P the fact is no game mmorg or single player can expect to maintain its popularity levels forever . its a simple fact , if they did we would all still be playing pong or doom . ( lol i m sure some of us are but the majority of us dont do we ) . things move on and sooner or later something similar with slightly better graphics comes along . lets face it you can trace most first person shooters back to the likes of wolftenstien and doom in terms of thier basic game play . warcraft is a milestone in mmos . but its not the finnishing point . what comes along wil build on it just as warcraft built on everquest and everquest built on ultima . so the arguement saying it has to be something totally different is not only redundant its actually foolish in that it totally ignores what has gone before . its virtual evolution . |
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Originally posted by templarga This so belongs in the WOW forum I guess? Aion is not WOW competition and most people, other than Aion fanbois know it. The reasons are varied and easily found in these forums so I am not going to rehash them here. Aion is WAR competition. Simply put, Aion will still a few WOW players for a couple months until they grow bored with it or get fed up with PVP or the community that thinks that insults are the best way to talk to people who criticize precious game and seriously make me long for the WOW community. Aion is as much of a threat as AOC or WAR.
"We view looming competition in the West from new MMORPGs as a greater threat to WoW’s future then the current transition," he adds, including NCsoft's September launch of Aion as a possible competitive threat.
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Oh you mean the same guy that said WOW was doomed by the Activision Blizzard merger? Yeah, not exactly sure, but I will take what he says with a grain of salt. And besides, there is a thread here where those comments are already being debated. EDIT: Here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/241995/Analyst-Mike-Hickey-on-BlizzardActivision-and-the-challenges-it-faces-.html |
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WoW is the Eminem of the gaming industry. |
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Thx for the link I didn't know it was already being discussed.
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Originally posted by redrum666er
No worries. :) I had never heard of the guy before that debate and since, I just think he doesn't like Activision or Blizzard or something. |
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Originally posted by Siiion
lol maybe aion will be the beatles then lol |
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Nonsense. Aion is going to be another MMO that will try to compete with other subpar games. |
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it'll be the number 2 world wide mmo thats for sure but then again the competition isn't what I'd call good. |
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I found it fairly boring.
Almost as boring as what WoW has become to me after 4+ years of playing.
I won't be playing Aion and since I retired from WoW I hardly care if it's the fabled "WoW-killer" or not...but I can tell you right now it's not. Retired: WoW, AoC, LOTRO, FFXI, EQ2, TR, VG, COH Waiting for: FFXIV |
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Actually WOW is an inferior game compared to a LOT of MMO"s. The only reason they have the subs they have is because Blizzard knows how to market/advertise thier CRAP!. Don't get me wrong WOW was a great game at launch but has since became a haunt for the dregs of humanity..... Hell even Vanguard is a better game...not to mention a slew of others. ) 10 million subs does not the best game make http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE3MZf6q7Bk
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No mob tagging. nuff said. Cant believe a mmo release now still dont have that feature. Will Blizz sink anytime soon? I dont think so. Looking at what they are trying to do to WoW now, always trying to improve the game play, though not to some players liking, i think they will stay on top for a few more years, maybe even longer depending on what is their next mmo is and what the mechanics is inside... Though WoW launch is not smooth, but the coer of its gameplay is solid, compare to AoC, War, Vg etc... While these few games are still trying to fix the core of their problem, Blizz is already improving their game! By the time those games becomes what they are suppose to be upon release, WoW have already improve beyond their reach, and Blizz next mmo will already be on the horizon.... So i personnely believe we will continue to see other mmos trying to play catch up for a good few more years...
RIP, Orc Choppa |
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Originally posted by Wrender
The hype that VG, AoC and War have is not lesser than WoW. But the problem is they are beine release too early and the problem to their core gameplay. Tons of promise but non during launch. So thats why their subs drop sharply. VG maybe a better game now interms of pve as compare to WoW, but unless soe somehow wakeup and decide to put in more effort in advertising it, and ignore EQ2 for awhile, i dont think it will ever pick up again... its sad, but what to do???
RIP, Orc Choppa |
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Ahhh I know you want even more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ji-9y2iVYQ&feature=related Yup!!! Can you dig it?!? |
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Originally posted by arctarus
The hype that VG, AoC and War have is not lesser than WoW. But the problem is they are beine release too early and the problem to their core gameplay. Tons of promise but non during launch. So thats why their subs drop sharply. VG maybe a better game now interms of pve as compare to WoW, but unless soe somehow wakeup and decide to put in more effort in advertising it, and ignore EQ2 for awhile, i dont think it will ever pick up again... its sad, but what to do???
Yeah I know ...Sad but true! SOE are idiots for not realizing the potential of Vanguard! |
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Originally posted by Wrender
Slow down! Im still trying to load the 2nd video! #@#$%*!!! connection.....
RIP, Orc Choppa |
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nO PROBLEM... gOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT... |
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I played last the last beta event for Aion. This game doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in competing with WoW and it sure as hell won't draw away any significant number of players. I felt like I was playing the successor to EverQuest. Way too hardcore / tedious / grindy for most WoW players to be sure. I prefer casual games and casuals are the dominant base for WoW. If I didn't like Aion, then other casuals probably won't either. |
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Originally posted by Vrazule
While I agree that Aion will not steal players from WoW. I found the game to not have much grinding. I do think there is way to much walking around for the quests. Took a hell of a lot longer to walk around to get to the locations then to do them. Some of you maybe be asking why I did not fly around, well if you haven't played, there are many places you just can't fly at :). |
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