Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by jason_webb

 

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Originally posted by dazaonline
I beg your pardon? I ran a successful guild right the way through the burning crusade expansion. The guild was made up of close friends. All of which left because of the bad community in the game.

 

During Karazhan we let some players join the guild using the guild website etc. Most of them were to lazy to supply pots etc to the raids or couldn't be bothered to install the Ventrilo client when asked. Also guild "members" who couldn't even be bothered to tab out and read how a boss would work. All these people didn't last long in the guild. They were first to bang on the door when there was loot going though.

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Firstly, were you not just moaning about how people were demanding achievements before letting you raid with them??? Yet you go on to list how you dropped members for not meeting your demands to raid??? Loved that one!

 

 

Are you serious?

You must be a WotLK noob cause you apparently have no clue that prior to the retard-proof xpac, players with certain profs did need to supply the raid with consumables.  There was planning and preparation involved before.  Unlike now where all that is required of players like you is rolling a Deathtard and clicking a few actions.

Your comments actually support his point.  The game is overrun by hyperactive silly kiddies.  There are still cool people playing but the number has been diminishing for years.

You must have been in one of those elitist guilds that made people do this. We ran with or without consumables and did just fine. If we thought we needed them, then it was the individual player's responsibility to get them, not the crafters in the guild. And yes, I have played since launch and was the GM of a raiding guild at launch on Blackhand so don't call me a noob.

And no the game isn't overrun by hyperactive kiddies. There are studies that show the average player is 25-50 or so and the trend for WOW is much older players. The issue is, like every game, the bad players and immature ones stand out in the crowd. The good players congregate together. My guild is fine and we do not let in anyone under age 25. And we are the largest guild on the server. Good, mature players flock to us and logging in , for me, is fun and interesting.

People who complain about the community usually have a bad reputation and choose to conduct themselves in game in a manner that attracts criticism and immature players. However they are just too blind to see it.

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Originally posted by Hydroblunt
Are you serious?
You must be a WotLK noob cause you apparently have no clue that prior to the retard-proof xpac, players with certain profs did need to supply the raid with consumables.  There was planning and preparation involved before.

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Completely 100%, bang on serious!!! I wasn't the one complaining about guilds making demands, he was and if you actually read my post i was just pointing out that it may be slightly hypocritical to complain about demanding something when you actually do it yourself!!!

I'm afraid i will have to blow your theory a little too as i am an EU launch veteran, originally on Aggramar now more active on Emerald Dream and when it comes to raiding i have always taken a self responsible approach, but again, each to their own.

Originally posted by dazaonline

Hi all,

 

I thought I would share my thoughts and feelings on the World of Warcraft now that I have finally made a break from it. After four years of playing this game, I made the decision to leave the game and NEVER go back. I found myself kept getting pulled back to it every month or so, paying £8.99 and then getting bored after a couple of days. It was just a waste of money.

 

It wasn't just the money though. I got so fed up with the people in the game. The community just got worse and worse. Players were always bitching to each other about loot and it appeared to be a huge amount of jealousy if someone won an item and they didn't. Things like 'my gear is better then yours' and of course with the :P thing at the end. Which is a pile of rubbish. Why do people keep typing that :P thing in WOW these days.

 

Then of course there was the guild hoppers. They played a whole new game there! People hopping guilds every day just to get some items from some poor soul that has put loads of time into running the guild and doing the raids etc. It was a joke. What happened to the days when players use to work together and enjoyed the game? Not stabbed each other in the back just to win some crappy "epic"

The worse thing above all though was the achievement point system and the biggest joke of all is when players started to ask for these BEFORE you could join a raid. What's all that about? One player even had a ton of achievement points in a raid and still didn't know how to do a boss. Asking for these is a total waste of time.

 

On a closing note, just a quick thought for the next "big" online game that comes out. It will not stand a chance against the people that leave wow to play it. I can see the general whatever channel on the first day. It will be like 'Well in wow you can do this and that' or 'Will this game beat wow?'

 

For me the whole game has turned into this vile mess that isn't fun to play and has lost its entertainment value. Once that's gone, then its not worth playing. Would you watch a DvD you really didn't like? This post may have seem like a rant and maybe it is. I just wanted to give the people out there some food for thought.

Obviously, you don't enjoy the game and that's good that you quit. However, there are plenty of arguments against everything you state, as it isn't even remotely true or make any sense.
 

First of all, achievements are a good way to weed out a lot of bad players, won't weed them all out, because players -can- be carried through them, especially in Naxxaramus. However, to say it was a bad idea, I don't see where that comes from, are you failing to get those achievements or do you just feel it was a wate of time on Blizzard's part?

About poor communities and poor guilds, every game that gets big, will have these problems. EVERY GAME. You need to find a guild you can stand and play with, and people who you can play with, and ignore the community as a whole, in a game like WoW that is almost neccesary. An easy way to cure this problem, is to play with your own friends either in RL or online.

People backstabbing people isn't that groundbreaking and happens in almost any game, and from the sound of it, it sounds like you are quitting over losing gear. That's something I hate, gear isn't important, it's having fun that is, and if your gear you have lets you do that, then why cry? How is getting gear fun? I have fun playing with people, and I only raid with people who are close and understand that you should give out on what would improve the raid the most over yourself.

Maybe you just need a break, to say you are gone forever is quite a statement. You are very emotional, and obviously very angry, but that hardly means you won't be coming back. Also, with the success Aion is having, Wrath should be getting some nice updates and Cataclysm (assuming it's an expansion) should also be nice if Aion is still there.

Although, on that note, I still believe WoW has the best content of any MMO out right now.

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

Originally posted by dazaonline

Hi all,

 

I thought I would share my thoughts and feelings on the World of Warcraft now that I have finally made a break from it. After four years of playing this game, I made the decision to leave the game and NEVER go back. I found myself kept getting pulled back to it every month or so, paying £8.99 and then getting bored after a couple of days. It was just a waste of money.

 

It wasn't just the money though. I got so fed up with the people in the game. The community just got worse and worse. Players were always bitching to each other about loot and it appeared to be a huge amount of jealousy if someone won an item and they didn't. Things like 'my gear is better then yours' and of course with the :P thing at the end. Which is a pile of rubbish. Why do people keep typing that :P thing in WOW these days.

 

Then of course there was the guild hoppers. They played a whole new game there! People hopping guilds every day just to get some items from some poor soul that has put loads of time into running the guild and doing the raids etc. It was a joke. What happened to the days when players use to work together and enjoyed the game? Not stabbed each other in the back just to win some crappy "epic"

The worse thing above all though was the achievement point system and the biggest joke of all is when players started to ask for these BEFORE you could join a raid. What's all that about? One player even had a ton of achievement points in a raid and still didn't know how to do a boss. Asking for these is a total waste of time.

 

On a closing note, just a quick thought for the next "big" online game that comes out. It will not stand a chance against the people that leave wow to play it. I can see the general whatever channel on the first day. It will be like 'Well in wow you can do this and that' or 'Will this game beat wow?'

 

For me the whole game has turned into this vile mess that isn't fun to play and has lost its entertainment value. Once that's gone, then its not worth playing. Would you watch a DvD you really didn't like? This post may have seem like a rant and maybe it is. I just wanted to give the people out there some food for thought.

Obviously, you don't enjoy the game and that's good that you quit. However, there are plenty of arguments against everything you state, as it isn't even remotely true or make any sense.
 

First of all, achievements are a good way to weed out a lot of bad players, won't weed them all out, because players -can- be carried through them, especially in Naxxaramus. However, to say it was a bad idea, I don't see where that comes from, are you failing to get those achievements or do you just feel it was a wate of time on Blizzard's part?

About poor communities and poor guilds, every game that gets big, will have these problems. EVERY GAME. You need to find a guild you can stand and play with, and people who you can play with, and ignore the community as a whole, in a game like WoW that is almost neccesary. An easy way to cure this problem, is to play with your own friends either in RL or online.

People backstabbing people isn't that groundbreaking and happens in almost any game, and from the sound of it, it sounds like you are quitting over losing gear. That's something I hate, gear isn't important, it's having fun that is, and if your gear you have lets you do that, then why cry? How is getting gear fun? I have fun playing with people, and I only raid with people who are close and understand that you should give out on what would improve the raid the most over yourself.

Maybe you just need a break, to say you are gone forever is quite a statement. You are very emotional, and obviously very angry, but that hardly means you won't be coming back. Also, with the success Aion is having, Wrath should be getting some nice updates and Cataclysm (assuming it's an expansion) should also be nice if Aion is still there.

Although, on that note, I still believe WoW has the best content of any MMO out right now.

 

Have you heard of the mod, Underachiever....you can link any achievement in chat with it, so the whole achievements weeding out bad players thing is out the window already. 

OOriginally posted by Tutu2

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

Originally posted by dazaonline

Hi all,

 

I thought I would share my thoughts and feelings on the World of Warcraft now that I have finally made a break from it. After four years of playing this game, I made the decision to leave the game and NEVER go back. I found myself kept getting pulled back to it every month or so, paying £8.99 and then getting bored after a couple of days. It was just a waste of money.

 

It wasn't just the money though. I got so fed up with the people in the game. The community just got worse and worse. Players were always bitching to each other about loot and it appeared to be a huge amount of jealousy if someone won an item and they didn't. Things like 'my gear is better then yours' and of course with the :P thing at the end. Which is a pile of rubbish. Why do people keep typing that :P thing in WOW these days.

 

Then of course there was the guild hoppers. They played a whole new game there! People hopping guilds every day just to get some items from some poor soul that has put loads of time into running the guild and doing the raids etc. It was a joke. What happened to the days when players use to work together and enjoyed the game? Not stabbed each other in the back just to win some crappy "epic"

The worse thing above all though was the achievement point system and the biggest joke of all is when players started to ask for these BEFORE you could join a raid. What's all that about? One player even had a ton of achievement points in a raid and still didn't know how to do a boss. Asking for these is a total waste of time.

 

On a closing note, just a quick thought for the next "big" online game that comes out. It will not stand a chance against the people that leave wow to play it. I can see the general whatever channel on the first day. It will be like 'Well in wow you can do this and that' or 'Will this game beat wow?'

 

For me the whole game has turned into this vile mess that isn't fun to play and has lost its entertainment value. Once that's gone, then its not worth playing. Would you watch a DvD you really didn't like? This post may have seem like a rant and maybe it is. I just wanted to give the people out there some food for thought.

Obviously, you don't enjoy the game and that's good that you quit. However, there are plenty of arguments against everything you state, as it isn't even remotely true or make any sense.
 

First of all, achievements are a good way to weed out a lot of bad players, won't weed them all out, because players -can- be carried through them, especially in Naxxaramus. However, to say it was a bad idea, I don't see where that comes from, are you failing to get those achievements or do you just feel it was a wate of time on Blizzard's part?

About poor communities and poor guilds, every game that gets big, will have these problems. EVERY GAME. You need to find a guild you can stand and play with, and people who you can play with, and ignore the community as a whole, in a game like WoW that is almost neccesary. An easy way to cure this problem, is to play with your own friends either in RL or online.

People backstabbing people isn't that groundbreaking and happens in almost any game, and from the sound of it, it sounds like you are quitting over losing gear. That's something I hate, gear isn't important, it's having fun that is, and if your gear you have lets you do that, then why cry? How is getting gear fun? I have fun playing with people, and I only raid with people who are close and understand that you should give out on what would improve the raid the most over yourself.

Maybe you just need a break, to say you are gone forever is quite a statement. You are very emotional, and obviously very angry, but that hardly means you won't be coming back. Also, with the success Aion is having, Wrath should be getting some nice updates and Cataclysm (assuming it's an expansion) should also be nice if Aion is still there.

Although, on that note, I still believe WoW has the best content of any MMO out right now.

 

 

Have you heard of the mod, Underachiever....you can link any achievement in chat with it, so the whole achievements weeding out bad players thing is out the window already. 

Alright.. again I never said it weeded out bad players. Sure, if you have a mod that shows you have it, but really who cares? No game is going to be fun if you don't play with people you like, and that was my point of my post.
 

I think reducing the raid size hurt a community that already had issues. I think allowing people the ability to change severs hurt the community even more.

 Transfers hurt because you can be a real *** and change every few months after buring all bridges.

 Reduced raid size reduced guild sizes which is a major issue I think. You could have a guild big enough for two full raids but that is very hard to manage. The issue is that when you have a 40+ man raid team you could log on just about anytime and have enough people on to do something with. With only 20-30 people total to pick from it becomes rather hard to find enough to do anything with.

 If you don't think the community in this game is bad you must be confused. Every MMO I have ever played easily had a better community. Then add in the fact that the average player does not have the level of skill that blizzard thinks is average to run the average instance and it makes pugging impossible.

 I don't think there will ever be a WoW killer just because Blizzard seems to be the only company that is willing to deal with the idiots they do.

I am glad the OP has left,but not for the reason many others think.I do not care if you left WOW but that you finally realized games are just games,they should NEVER own you outright.

Myself i have left FFXI for the 4th time,i have actually been away fro mthe game for about 2+ months now,i never let it own me to where i have to login everyday every month year after year.I just play when i feel the urge to play or do something.I find it sad that so many players stick to that one gamebecause they are afraid to leave their level 50/60/70/80 player and their gear behind.

It is all virtual nonsense,something that should entertain you for that period of time and nothing more,it is not real life or a home away from home.Even if you have found friends in that game,why not try some other form of entertainment or another game,burying yourself in that one game is a BIG mistake,everyone realizes sooner or later,usually too late after much of their life has been wasted.

Originally posted by Roche7

I think reducing the raid size hurt a community that already had issues. I think allowing people the ability to change severs hurt the community even more.

 Transfers hurt because you can be a real *** and change every few months after buring all bridges.

 Reduced raid size reduced guild sizes which is a major issue I think. You could have a guild big enough for two full raids but that is very hard to manage. The issue is that when you have a 40+ man raid team you could log on just about anytime and have enough people on to do something with. With only 20-30 people total to pick from it becomes rather hard to find enough to do anything with.

 

 If you don't think the community in this game is bad you must be confused. Every MMO I have ever played easily had a better community. Then add in the fact that the average player does not have the level of skill that blizzard thinks is average to run the average instance and it makes pugging impossible.

 

 I don't think there will ever be a WoW killer just because Blizzard seems to be the only company that is willing to deal with the idiots they do.

Obviously you didn't play WOW that much at launch because this was the major issue that most guilds had. With the limited content in the game (Onyxia, MC and then later BWL and Naxx), 40 man raids were ripping the community apart.

We had a hardcore raiding guild on Blackhand, Alliance. We had come from Terris Thule in EQ and the guild was built to raid. That is what we did.

After about 3-4 months of it, people grew sick and I mean that literally and figuratively. I was the GM and it got so bad that even I created alts and didn't guild them so I could have some peace.

People would stop logging on for one reason or another. Remember its a raiding guild and the content then was much, much harder, you had to raid and raid and raid some more to get anywhere. SO there was no playing alts, no nothing. if you logged on, we were raiding. So people stopped logging on. Once they stopped logging on, getting 40 people together was impossible and raiding came to an immediate halt.

The whole server went through this and if you go back and look at it, the number of guilds that successfully cleared each of the progressively harder dungeons dropped considerably. A lot of it had to do with getting 40 people together regularly to do it. Now people look back with nostalgia on those days but honestly, they were the worst. WOW literally was a job and I and others have many, many friendships that ended because of it.

There are still many large guilds out there. I am in one of the largest and there are so many people they can effectively form 2, 25 man raids in a week and have 7-8 10 mans going during the week. Why? Because they treat the game like its meant to be - fun and relaxing and since its a guild with a strict age requirement, drama and immaturity is kept to a minimum (not that age is always the best measuring stick but its the best thing to us in a large, random community).

As far as the community being bad, I have said it before, then you were on a bad server. My server is fine and the immaturity and bad community aspects are kept to a minimum. My guild is better than the server as a whole and the server itself is better than other ones I have been on. However, I spend a lot of time picking my servers and guilds and that might be part of it.

All games have bad communities at some level and in some cases but it is impossible to condemn an entire players base due to your limited experience.  Even in games where the community is considerably worse than WOW, I still will not condemn everyone who plays because it isn't my place to do so.

Originally posted by dazaonline

Originally posted by Antipathy

It sounds like the OP was incapable of finding a decent guild containing mature players.

 

That could have been for one of several reasons. E.g.

 

a) The OP was the only mature player on his entire server

 

or

 

b) The OP was incapable of finding the other mature players

 

or

 

c) The OP found the other mature players, and they decided they didn't want anything to do with him.

I beg your pardon? I ran a successful guild right the way through the burning crusade expansion. The guild was made up of close friends. All of which left because of the bad community in the game. Other factors of course were - Blizzards mess up on the Black Temple and how early it was brought out and when they decided to drop the 40 man instances in the game. Don't forget the flock of burning crusade players. That was bad.

During Karazhan we let some players join the guild using the guild website etc. Most of them were to lazy to supply pots etc to the raids or couldn't be bothered to install the Ventrilo client when asked. Also guild "members" who couldn't even be bothered to tab out and read how a boss would work. All these people didn't last long in the guild. They were first to bang on the door when there was loot going though.

 

You can try to defend this game, but I'm right in what I say and I know people will agree with me. Most of them wont say anything though.

 

Well i've never been part of the silent majority so i'll say it out loud: I do agree with you :-)

Took me only 3 months to figure that out though. Guess i just saved 4 precious years to my life!