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Originally posted by coffee
This game is as unasian as it gets, have you even played?
i bet you assume this because of the asian style graphics? if thats the case then wow is for kid, you know..cos its cartoony. Playing:SWG |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
Perhaps because people are fed up with trying and PAYING for other games in these last 3 years that didn't hold on to anything they "hyped" ... the least .... its subscribers .... "Every game is its own ?" The question these days is ... what will eventually have an influence in Wow and what has Blizzard added in its new patches and expansions packs. I saw MORE new things in WotLK than in AoC and War combined: phasing is but one, dual specs and mounted combat in ALL kind of formats was another. Remember the vertical build up worlds in Northrend you can fly over? What a narrow minded and chunneled vision of games we had to play in this last year .... And seeing the falling walls and towers of Wintergrasp and Ulduar, I wonder what kept games like War from doing them? Btw: does Aion have changing worlds through phasing and destructable buildings ??? So why change indeed? PAY more to have LESS and not having friends in RL to discuss your latest lovely avatar??? That last one is perhaps the real secret why everyone stays in Wow. It is mighty lonely out there to have RL discussions with niche mmo's.
Great you like WoW, congratulations, I want something different and what you described does nothing to change the game that WoW already was. It's a Jeep thing. . .
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Originally posted by Soki123
For me I find Aion a better game then WOW. I don t really care about sub numbers, I care about the fact that I get off work and I can t wait to log into Aion. WOW never once did that to me.
But why? What is better in Aion, is click and wait combat better in Aion, is level tiered progression better paced and filled with more (interesting) content in Aion, does Aion have more options for me regarding how I feel I want to play that day, is it more stable with less bugs, can I have a bigger impact on the world through my PVP, PVE or crafting, does it have better player economy, does it have bigger raids, does it have more tools for social interaction and guild managment, is it better balanced, are Aions tank-healer-dps classes more varied than WoWs, why? Why Aion?
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Originally posted by lornphoenix
People in these forums forget that the majority of US & EU WoW players are on PVE servers. It will be extremely hard for any game with a forced pvp segment to attract those players imho. The death penalty in Aion is pretty mild so I do not see that as much of an issue. |
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Originally posted by SonofSeth
But why? What is better in Aion, is click and wait combat better in Aion, is level tiered progression better paced and filled with more (interesting) content in Aion, does Aion have more options for me regarding how I feel I want to play that day, is it more stable with less bugs, can I have a bigger impact on the world through my PVP, PVE or crafting, does it have better player economy, does it have bigger raids, does it have more tools for social interaction and guild managment, is it better balanced, are Aions tank-healer-dps classes more varied than WoWs, why? Why Aion?
why aion ? well i cant really say because i ve not played it but why not if it offers decent gameplay . why would anyone want to stay in warcraft year after year ? that would bore me to death . i ve found a lot of the changes blizzard have brought about in the last few years have made the game far too easy . i mean you can easily get full epic gear from doing the battlegound for a month these days . the fact if you lose a battle ground you can still get decent honor from selling marks of honor has made the battlegrounds become full of people that really dont want to learn the tactics . remember the days when an epic really had to be earned . the pvp imbalances are still awful so much so that side of the game is essentially broken now . the pve is still a lot of fun as are the instances . but good luck getting a group for mid level instances if your leveling an alt . faster leveling has killed that part of the game . all in all blizzard are killing warcrafts long term appeal in favour of short term gain . why aion ? well i ll give you one good reason if its good why would you want to play what warcraft has become . |
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Originally posted by catlana
People in these forums forget that the majority of US & EU WoW players are on PVE servers. It will be extremely hard for any game with a forced pvp segment to attract those players imho. The death penalty in Aion is pretty mild so I do not see that as much of an issue.
Yep, you are correct. I was actually considering pre-ordering Aion until I read the "you have to PVP to play" concept. Now granted, I enjoy PVP from time to time. Heck, DAOC was my first MMo and I pvp'ed tons in it. But recently, I have grown tired of PVP. its the same crap in every game...spam a skill and hop around. It grows old. If this is the case, Aion will be less of an issue when it comes to WOW but moreso for Age of Conan and Warhammer and smilar games. |
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Originally posted by catlana
Tell that to my friend, who I got into WoW 4 years ago with a free trail... he hated the idea.
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Originally posted by lornphoenix
Tell that to my friend, who I got into WoW 4 years ago with a free trail... he hated the idea.
Your firsthand knowledge of this being an issue for one person really doesn't concern me. Have you ever read these forums? It doesn't matter what they try to implement, someone is going to have an issue with it. And if they don't implement things, other people will have issues with them not innovating. Not everyone is going to like the same things, that's life. |
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I'm sure there will be otaku geeks out there that will gobble up AION's generic lawlore, however for serious lore gamers that market is already filled quite well with LOTRO. |
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Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Right Vagrant_Zero, because divine winged creatures and abyssal creatures are exclusive anime/otaku creations. LOTRO serious lore? The Vanilla and simplified version of Tolkien work in a game, you call that serious? When they create a Der Ring des Nibelungen game you will be able to call its players "serious lore gamers", Lord of the Rings today is just part of popular culture, nothing more. ...just a side note... what you said about AION RvR, from the Abyss limitation and description, to the level that you will be able face your enemy faction is wrong. edit. Western players always ask for something new and when a game with original and expressive lore and a new twist on RvR comes up... |
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Well I stopped playing WOW back right before TBC came out... I enjoyed it for a time.... But there are so many better games out already than WOW in my opinion anyway..To me it doesnt matter weather Aion beats out WOW or not. I am interested in Aion because the game looks graphically amazing... The game play looks faster paced... Flying combat just looks great.. Also it breaks the mold of traditional fantasy. I think alot of people are going to have issues with Aion though. 1. you can play WOW on your cheap computers without having to upgrade. With Aion (i could be wrong about this) but you will have to most likely update your computers if your still playing on the emachine you bought to play WOW on high settings. Games to date that are better than WOW.. IMHO Vanguard...AoC....EQ1.. maybe Aion will be listed along with that. |
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Currently wow is a one off I think 2 is needed to prove the industry can be successful and I believe Aion has the polish and development to do it. It will certainly see off the tripe with big name IPs we have recently been getting. |
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Originally posted by cybertrucker That is - like you say - your personal opinion. But 99% of the people don't pay for these games (although they had a massive number of "testers" at launch). If you find another game (any game on any platform) that asks 15 $ a month just to play a single game with .... 5.000.000 paying western subscriptions, ... be my guest. -------- You see : what an individual thinks about a game is not important but to that individual. It is useless to post your personal opinion in a forum because it is not even a basis for discussion as a trend watcher. It is what the market thinks about a game that makes this industry a growing factor, not very biased personal opinions of 1% of mmorpg players. That's the reason why Aion is not very important, it will be another 13th in a dozen mmorpg (trying to cash in on the succes created by ... THE game). And the reasons are obvious: a not western based lore with people who grow .... wings on their back, clear cut mechanics of traditional quests and obviously of Korean origins. The launching of Aion is not launching new techniques or standards (phasing? destructable worlds?), it is not going to be the next number one PC game sold for the next 3 years .... The only thing that matters is what will be the standard to be introduced by Blizzard (and surely afterwards to be copied into other mmorpg's ... 3 years later). Aion is the first copy to build parts of their worlds in full 3D (TBC launched that 2.5 years ago)... In 3 years time we will see the first mmorpg's which will copy WotlK's "phasing" etc. That's the reason why Aoin is just the next "hyped" thing (after all those others), that will bring nothing to the table that isn't already being offered by THE game that everyone talks about in Real Life. -------Conclusion----- Bioware and Blizzard are the only ones to look into. The rest is a pure waste of time/effort (unless you just want to play in a Lore you like with copy/cat features... but even that Lore thing - meaning Lore that intrests the "western masses" ... is lacking in Aion...)
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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stayontarget
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A break down of who is going to play aion and from what mmo did they come from: www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/10276-what-mmo-you-coming-why-aion.html |
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stayontarget
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Originally posted by Zorndorf That is - like you say - your personal opinion. But 99% of the people don't pay for these games (although they had a massive number of "testers" at launch). If you find another game (any game on any platform) that asks 15 $ a month just to play a single game with .... 5.000.000 paying western subscriptions, ... be my guest. -------- You see : what an individual thinks about a game is not important but to that individual. It is useless to post your personal opinion in a forum because it is not even a basis for discussion as a trend watcher. It is what the market thinks about a game that makes this industry a growing factor, not very biased personal opinions of 1% of mmorpg players. That's the reason why Aion is not very important, it will be another 13th in a dozen mmorpg (trying to cash in on the succes created by ... THE game). And the reasons are obvious: a not western based lore with people who grow .... wings on their back, clear cut mechanics of traditional quests and obviously of Korean origins. The launching of Aion is not launching new techniques or standards (phasing? destructable worlds?), it is not going to be the next number one PC game sold for the next 3 years .... The only thing that matters is what will be the standard to be introduced by Blizzard (and surely afterwards to be copied into other mmorpg's ... 3 years later). Aion is the first copy to build parts of their worlds in full 3D (TBC launched that 2.5 years ago)... In 3 years time we will see the first mmorpg's which will copy WotlK's "phasing" etc. That's the reason why Aoin is just the next "hyped" thing (after all those others), that will bring nothing to the table that isn't already being offered by THE game that everyone talks about in Real Life. -------Conclusion----- Bioware and Blizzard are the only ones to look into. The rest is a pure waste of time/effort (unless you just want to play in a Lore you like with copy/cat features... but even that Lore thing is lacking in Aion...)
""It is useless to post your personal opinion in a forum because it is not even a basis for discussion as a trend watcher."" I understand and I like when people post there personal opinions, That is what forums are for.
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Even if Aion ends up being an average experience, one can't just dismiss a factor that will eventually drive eventually people away from WoW. That factor is burnout. Even the best food starts to taste bad if that's the only thing you get to eat for years. If nothing else, the initial extremely good launches (despite what happened after a while) of both WAR and AoC clearly indicates that the burnout factor is very high in WoW. Luckily for Blizzard, noone yet has managed to capitalize on that. I don't think that Aion will have any serious impact on WoW in the West, mainly due to the difference in exposure between the two games and the not so bright history of NCsoft among gamers. In this regard, Bioware and SW:TOR have a bigger chance to poke a bigger hole into WoW's shield. Remains to be seen of course, for both games. |
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how can you even compare a vetetran behemoth like wow to aion thats just past a month old nuff said :P |
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Alone the Thread Title is an Epic FAIL...... I hope honestly that within the next 300 Generations this will never raised again.... EVERY Freakin time when an MMO comes out the same BullShi* Getting sooooo bored and tired to read that...... |
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Originally posted by Xasapis
The famous burnnout factor is not really going anywhere these days. Not in the numbers everyone thinks. As can be seen by www.xfire.com Wow holds on to around 60% marketshare (incuding the free to play modules). If burnout would be that bad, Wow would have lost at least 10-20%% marketshare 6 months after WotLK. Mark Jacobs misjudged the burnout of Wow completely. The question is HOW many people stayed with Wow despite they were buying a new hyped mmorpg in 2008? I mean AoC and WAR launched within a 4 month time bracket with EACH around 800K copies in their first month launches. And the result is ... Wow has at least the same market share as before those launches (as some other games apparently shrinked or even dissapeaered from the scene). And Wotlk is only half way its content cycle, not even near the Litch King end dungeons. Some blame it to the fact that "they" were " not polished enough". So why did LOtrO burn at the same rate? I agree on the second part of the post. Bioware brings out extremely good games in single player modes. That's why I skip the next batch of mmorpg's (and to be fair you can save a lot of money with it). Only going to dabble a little bit in Star Trek but only for the Lore interest. I expect nothing special out of ST design wise). I expect most people will want to try others, but that's what we see : they "try" and "burnout" is not really an issue if you look at global numbers.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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I think it's hilarious how the WoW players react to any spotlight shining down on another new game. They may never admit they fear a possible game to come along and so call "de-throne the king of mmo's" but they do. Because no one wants to see their favorite game fall from #1 or lose players to other games. No one's denying blizzards success with WoW and the numbers they've built up as far as subscribers goes (even though i think about 25% of those are probably alt accounts which shouldn't count). But the fact that you guys come on forums like this and bash every new game that gets even the slightest attention is lame. Though i salute your dedication to the game you play and love i think the constant bashing and the constant "reminder" of WoW success numbers is not needed. We all know the success and subs WoW has, we don't need to be reminded of that in every post on every gaming forum for the rest of our lives. Not to mention the whole "WoW did it first" statement, guess you all forgot about the games that came before it that blizzard copied idea's from.
Fact of the matter is, Aion will have success regardless, whether or not it has the same success as WoW will be told in time. It's getting a bit old that WoW fans think no other game can be a success other then WoW and the only company that can make another success like WoW is blizzard. It's almost a gimmie that the chances of blizzard having the same success with another game as they did with WoW are low. Unless they do what all you WoW fans say other games do and "clone WoW", which i'm willing to bet they will. So just chill out, we know you love WoW, no harm no foul, but let Aion be untill the results are in, then if they succeed in passing WoW or not, then come complain or bash. It's funny how WoW fans are so worried about Aion in all the while over looking the upcoming star wars the old republic game which i think might have a lot of success due to the star wars fan base.
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To Echelon78: Well, technically, this is the WoW part of these forums, so the more positive attitude towards this game is only natural. I also didn't notice it, until some poster above mentioned it. In my opinion, these kind of threads are at this point pointless. Given the recent history, even developers can now point in the recent history and educate any deluded investors into the folly of thinking that this kind of popularity can be mirrored. What is more reasonable to expect is to have a number of good games taking part of the market share that was created thanks to WoW. |
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Originally posted by Echelon78
The fact is ... you are posting this in a Wow forum. Why ? And I am not "worried". I am just checking my database of failed mmorpg's these last few years and I see a trend here and I try to place Aion in a market postition with the expertise of the last 5 years ... I even like these kind of discussions because people tend to loose all perspectives when a new launch is eminent. Like the 5 questions I asked above to people who believe Aion will "have success". ------- So you are one of the guys who think that Aion will be the number one PC game sold for the next 1.5 years ? Great. Because that is simply needed to achieve around 1 M western subs after this period. To arrive (your own words) "at same success" you have to count for around 3 to 5 consecutive years of being the number one PC game sold. That's why I say: great: think positvely as a fan. :)))) but for a Korean game with no known western lore attachement it could just be a little too enthousiastic.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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sOriginally posted by Zorndorf
The fact is ... you are posting this in a Wow forum. Why ? And I am not "worried". I am just checking my database of failed mmorpg's these last few years and I see a trend here and I try to place Aion in a market postition with the expertise of the last 5 years ... I even like these kind of discussions because people tend to loose all perspectives when a new launch is eminent. Like the 5 questions I asked above to people who believe Aion will "have success". ------- So you are one of the guys who think that Aion will be the number one PC game sold for the next 1.5 years ? Great. Because that is simply needed to achieve around 1 M western subs after this period. To arrive (your own words) "at same success" you have to count for around 3 to 5 consecutive years of being the number one PC game sold. That's why I say: great: think positvely as a fan. :)))) but for a Korean game with no known western lore attachement it could just be a little too enthousiastic.
LOL stat boy, i know a fanboi when i see one, never said Aion will be #1 nor do i think it will be. I do however think it will have success even in the west, of course i know you beg to differ because apparently someone died and appointed you as "Mr Almighty king of stats". I highly doubt people care about stats based on success of other games in certain area's of the world. No one's gonna research a game and say "OH HELL NO, i can't play this game cause it didn't do good in so and so part of the world". People are gonna try a game regardless and if they like it, they'll play it, if they don't, they wont, it's that simple. Just because certain games didn't have much success in the west doesn't automatically mean other games will fail in the west as well. Just let time show the end results before making it seem as if EVERY game will fail because blizzard didn't make it. Now pardon me for crashing the WoW party, didn't know it was against the rules to post here, thought all forums were open to the public. I'll just go back to my little corner of the mmo world and continue to laugh to myself quietly as the WoW Players run rampid complaining about other games. Seriously is WoW boring you that much that you all must non-stop complain about other games, just kick back and run another raid or something and leave other games alone untill you see them within WoW's sector of the mmo world.
Edit: ok i took out the name i use to refer to "some" WoW players not all, my apologies for the rude name given. Don't think i said it more then twice so if i missed one i'll edit it out when i catch it. At my age i should know better then to fling insults towards other people, even if they don't quite understand my post.
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Scalebane
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Well i really don't see Many Wow players going onto forums trashing other games so i don't know where thinking alot do comes from. Calling people WoWtards just shows your no better then some rabid fanboi -shrugs- Now this was posted in the Warcraft forums here so i don't kow what people were expecting to happen, perhaps they should have posted this in the Aion forums to find the results they wanted? I think what you do see is people being cautious in games anymore. Too many games fail to meet players expectations (which can be ridiculous at times lol) that they don't get their hopes up for any other games coming out. I think Aion will have some success here in the U.S., but this whole (insert game here) vs. WoW is stupid already. No game has to beat WoW, all that matters is having fun in the game of your choice...this whole sub number thing is freaking stupid anymore, people need to drop it.
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