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World of Warcraft Forum » General Discussion » WoW Up to 7.8 Million Subscribers

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  GuyClinch

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Joined: 9/28/13
Posts: 475

2/16/14 3:01:50 PM#101

Blizzard is not engaging in fraud - they are just counting hourly renters as subscribers. Its like counting people making the minimum wage as middle class. Where are you getting the fraud thing? Blizzard fully discloses their numbers.

Unemployment is another good example. Its always around 7 or 8 percent. But that's because so many people give up looking for work. The amount of people not working is gigantic.  Just like Obama and other presidents manipulate the economic numbers - its not lying. Its playing with statistics.

  Kevyne-Shandris

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Joined: 3/10/08
Posts: 1980

You can't † BURY † ¤¤ Holy Paladins ¤¤ As we will always __.- ASCEND -.__

2/16/14 3:10:03 PM#102
Originally posted by GuyClinch

Blizzard is not engaging in fraud - they are just counting hourly renters as subscribers. Its like counting people making the minimum wage as middle class. Where are you getting the fraud thing? Blizzard fully discloses their numbers.

Unemployment is another good example. Its always around 7 or 8 percent. But that's because so many people give up looking for work. The amount of people not working is gigantic.  Just like Obama and other presidents manipulate the economic numbers - its not lying. Its playing with statistics.


Blizzard can't fudge the numbers as it's security fraud. Don't you understand that Blizzard can't tweak numbers as it's lying to investors? Playing with those numbers is a crime -- thus, I ask do you have evidence that occurs.

  Shadoed

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Joined: 10/03/03
Posts: 1484

2/17/14 1:24:15 PM#103
Originally posted by GuyClinch

Blizzard is not engaging in fraud - they are just counting hourly renters as subscribers. Its like counting people making the minimum wage as middle class. Where are you getting the fraud thing? Blizzard fully discloses their numbers.

Unemployment is another good example. Its always around 7 or 8 percent. But that's because so many people give up looking for work. The amount of people not working is gigantic.  Just like Obama and other presidents manipulate the economic numbers - its not lying. Its playing with statistics.

Blizzard have a very clear and transparent definition of what they count in their numbers as a subscriber, you do not accept that definition, that is your problem, not theirs. They define what is within the numbers and report those numbers, clear and simple, no fudging, no playing with the statistics, laid out in plain English (and whatever other languages they publish in).

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  Path4

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Joined: 9/06/08
Posts: 36

2/18/14 6:56:29 PM#104
How many N/A subs that pay, this is not counting starter accounts and ones just activated.  Show me that number.  You'll never see it.
  ktanner3

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2/19/14 11:34:42 AM#105
Originally posted by Path4
How many N/A subs that pay, this is not counting starter accounts and ones just activated.  Show me that number.  You'll never see it.

 

I'm still waiting for the numbers that prove some other MMO is doing better than WOW. I asked for it quite awhile back in this thread. And for the millionth time it doesn't matter where the players are. The fact is it has more than any other MMO. You can have your own opinions but you're not allowed your own facts.

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  Kevyne-Shandris

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2/19/14 7:26:39 PM#106
Originally posted by Path4
How many N/A subs that pay

More than any other MMO in the history of MMOs.

 

Now prove otherwise.

  GuyClinch

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Joined: 9/28/13
Posts: 475

2/22/14 3:45:27 AM#107
Originally posted by Shadoed
Originally posted by GuyClinch

Blizzard is not engaging in fraud - they are just counting hourly renters as subscribers. Its like counting people making the minimum wage as middle class. Where are you getting the fraud thing? Blizzard fully discloses their numbers.

Unemployment is another good example. Its always around 7 or 8 percent. But that's because so many people give up looking for work. The amount of people not working is gigantic.  Just like Obama and other presidents manipulate the economic numbers - its not lying. Its playing with statistics.

Blizzard have a very clear and transparent definition of what they count in their numbers as a subscriber, you do not accept that definition, that is your problem, not theirs. They define what is within the numbers and report those numbers, clear and simple, no fudging, no playing with the statistics, laid out in plain English (and whatever other languages they publish in).

Its fudging because the redefine the word subscriber. Hertz doesn't call me a subscriber when I rent their car. I am not a subscriber to  a newspaper when I buy one issue. Yes they tell you what they mean by subscriber but it doesn't match the generally accepted definition of the word.

Should the NYT start calling people who log into their website once but pay no money 'subscribers.' and lump them in with the people that pay every month for the electronic and print versions. I guess if you were running them you would approve of this plan. But most people would cry foul.

This is all common sense and arguing otherwise makes you look like foolish. And I am not the only person to think so. Since they tell you this is not a big deal. But from an investment perspective we know they only have about 4 million US/EU subs. And those are the subs that count.

 

 

  Kevyne-Shandris

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Joined: 3/10/08
Posts: 1980

You can't † BURY † ¤¤ Holy Paladins ¤¤ As we will always __.- ASCEND -.__

2/22/14 4:12:53 AM#108
Originally posted by GuyClinch
Originally posted by Shadoed
Originally posted by GuyClinch

Blizzard is not engaging in fraud - they are just counting hourly renters as subscribers. Its like counting people making the minimum wage as middle class. Where are you getting the fraud thing? Blizzard fully discloses their numbers.

Unemployment is another good example. Its always around 7 or 8 percent. But that's because so many people give up looking for work. The amount of people not working is gigantic.  Just like Obama and other presidents manipulate the economic numbers - its not lying. Its playing with statistics.

Blizzard have a very clear and transparent definition of what they count in their numbers as a subscriber, you do not accept that definition, that is your problem, not theirs. They define what is within the numbers and report those numbers, clear and simple, no fudging, no playing with the statistics, laid out in plain English (and whatever other languages they publish in).

Its fudging because the redefine the word subscriber. Hertz doesn't call me a subscriber when I rent their car. I am not a subscriber to  a newspaper when I buy one issue. Yes they tell you what they mean by subscriber but it doesn't match the generally accepted definition of the word.

Should the NYT start calling people who log into their website once but pay no money 'subscribers.' and lump them in with the people that pay every month for the electronic and print versions. I guess if you were running them you would approve of this plan. But most people would cry foul.

This is all common sense and arguing otherwise makes you look like foolish. And I am not the only person to think so. Since they tell you this is not a big deal. But from an investment perspective we know they only have about 4 million US/EU subs. And those are the subs that count.

 

 

Common sense here is you're trying to verify your opinion, but the opinion is defied by the stock report facts.

 

Now Blizzard did change the definition slightly (by including trial accounts), where before only actual subscribers were counted. But that's not what you're arguing (which is all over the map hoping something "sticks").

 

Anyone now even mentioning China+subscriptions are completely behind the loop, especially with MoP.

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