Originally posted by Greyhooff

Guild Wars 2 is already a huge game, and literally -everyone- is playing it.

It is not surprising WoW is in free fall.

WoW is old news, and panda expansion for kids won't revive it.

GW2 is just an amazing game, and the best MMO out there by far. It kicks WoW's ass in every way.

How much you are going to bet that MOP will break all the records and kick GW2 to curb in first day sale numbers as well as total sales? how much? book mark this topic and revisit it the day MOP releases.

And before you label me a WOW fanboy, i am a GW2 fan but even i know some things are just too obvious.

Originally posted by Method01

Originally posted by Verterdegete

 

 

Interesting...

Plz stop these threads plz... I beg you. We have seen them so many times now, and it allways end up with the same. WoW lose 2 mil subs and gain 3 mil 6 months after.. 

actually... we haven't seen *this*, ever before... Atleast I didn't. 

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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

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Originally posted by kostoslav 64 client dont work with x-fire

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 Since I don't play WoW I can't answer this myself so I'm curious. People know you can go into Xfire and change what executable it is looking at for a game right? Have people done this, restarted Xfire, and it still isn't recognizing it? Because I think you can literally use any executable, even one this isn't WoW in any shape or form, and as long as the one it is looking at it running then it says you are playing the game.

 

It sounds like it is just that Xfire isn't looking at the 64 bit exe by default and people might just have to redirect Xfire to the correct client.

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Not really relevant. What is relevant is that the already suspect XFire numbers are even more suspect in reporting WoW's numbers.

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Method01

Originally posted by Verterdegete

 

 

Interesting...

Plz stop these threads plz... I beg you. We have seen them so many times now, and it allways end up with the same. WoW lose 2 mil subs and gain 3 mil 6 months after.. 

actually... we haven't seen *this*, ever before... Atleast I didn't. 

its even worse for GW2 though.. they have gone from a peak of 96k hrs to 57k hrs.. and its a steady decline. so begs the question.. if their not playing WoW and their not playing GW2.. what are they playing..  current indications based on numbers.. are that their playing League of Legends..   but hey.. GW2 famous for 5 minutes amiright

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

Originally posted by coretex666

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

Maybe because no one reported it? lol

Originally posted by coretex666

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

because it wasnt funny enough ?

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by coretex666

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

Maybe because no one reported it? lol

Can you prove it? "lol"

 

Please corect if i'm wrong, but, is that "number of players" accurate. Does that mean that 5k players use xfire and those are the people the statistics come from?

I ask since i don't use it. But if the answer is yes, then, who cares? 5k wow players. What? That's an insanely small portion of the playerbase. No wonder this thing is useless and stupid.

GW2 doesn´t even have a subsciption price and it still has lost 50% of it´s players in 3 weeks?    Certainly does not bode well.

I mean.. AOC.. I can understand..  a lot of technical issues at launch, so a lot of people cancelled thier accounts so they wouldn´t be billed again.

But GW2??  why did 50% leave the game in 3 weeks?    It took WOW almost 8 years until it finally lost 20% from it´s peak.. AND THAT IS WITH A SUBSCRIPTION.

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by coretex666

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

Maybe because no one reported it? lol

Can you prove it? "lol"

 

Yes, because if you try to report an already reported topic it gives you the message 'this thread has already been reported'. So nope it wasn't reported. 

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by coretex666

GW 2 XFire thread gets locked in an hour, while WoW's XFire thread remains open for discussion, so does SWTOR's.

Why?

Maybe because no one reported it? lol

Can you prove it? "lol"

 

Yes, because if you try to report an already reported topic it gives you the message 'this thread has already been reported'. So nope it wasn't reported. 

I meant the SWTOR one, but it apparently did get locked after all. I was just wondering since I know the TOR one went for a long time. Also not every thread that gets reported is locked.

Originally posted by Azrile

GW2 doesn´t even have a subsciption price and it still has lost 50% of it´s players in 3 weeks?    Certainly does not bode well.

I mean.. AOC.. I can understand..  a lot of technical issues at launch, so a lot of people cancelled thier accounts so they wouldn´t be billed again.

But GW2??  why did 50% leave the game in 3 weeks?    It took WOW almost 8 years until it finally lost 20% from it´s peak.. AND THAT IS WITH A SUBSCRIPTION.

Xfire figures are just for fun, they don't represent a consistent sample of any particular games playerbase, even when comparing them to other games, or perhaps especially when trying to do so.

besides, with the kids being back at school at around that period, its pretty obvious that player numbers/hours would drop off for most of the games  listed anyway. Have to remember xfire statistics doesnt represent player numbers, the sample sizes are far too small, and the figures are in no way standardised to reflect an even or consistent percentage.

But it does make for fun arguments for all involved doesnt it

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Originally posted by FrodoFragins

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Originally posted by Azrile Xfire is not indicative of the average WOW player.  

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That's as foundationless a claims making links between X-Fire numbers and the number of subscribers.

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XFire players average playing 20 games that XFire can track. The average time played per game is less than 40 hours. The median time played per game is 3 hours. REF

WoW players spend an average of 26 hours per week playing WoW. REF

Make of this what you will. It doesn't seem like XFire players are representative of any MMORPG player. One of the problem here is we can't peek into XFire's numbers for individual players of specific games. Of the people who were playing WoW with XFire, how many play an average of 26 hours a week? How many of them play the game for 3 hours and never play again? For that matter, how many unique players are reporting data and how many concurrent players are reporting data?

Looking at XFire and trying to take it beyond XFire can't be done without a lot of estimates and outright guessing. There is so much information not provided, that you can't do anything with XFire without making something up.

I thought mmorpg.com was locking xfire threads (multiple GW2 ones were locked).  Why is this one still going?

Originally posted by sirphobos
I thought mmorpg.com was locking xfire threads (multiple GW2 ones were locked).  Why is this one still going?

 The bigger question is why they lock them at all. Delete/ban trouble posters but there is no point locking topics like this as they will keep popping up anyway. Just let people discuss.

What I don't understand is....People always love to speculate and throw around population numbers and the effect that Game X's release has on Game A's current population.

And almost 2 decades later, I am not aware of any one game that had lost a substantial amount of players directly due to a new game's launch and players abandoning Game A in favor of Game X .

And for as many launches as I've seen come and go, never once have I logged into a game and not seen it business as usual. Even Rift during these past couple weeks is still busy as ever.

So why then do we always have these theories every time a game is launched? And why then do people still propose them and generally make them selves look foolish especially when in so many cases, the opposite had actually come to pass where the games that were supposed to be hurt actually did better as a result?

 

I'm sorry, but GW2 is starting looking like another "Eat-em-up-and-spit-em-out" MMO for the average gamer.(Who are all doing it wrong) save the fact it has no sub.

Thing is, Xfire will never be accurate so long as it continues to have a problem with supporting the game completly, I actually have to go out of my way to get Xfire to register WoW, and then further out of my way to get it to work with the 64 bit client... And even then in game doesn't even work! 

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by FrodoFragins

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Originally posted by Azrile Xfire is not indicative of the average WOW player.  

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That's as foundationless a claims making links between X-Fire numbers and the number of subscribers.

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XFire players average playing 20 games that XFire can track. The average time played per game is less than 40 hours. The median time played per game is 3 hours. REF

WoW players spend an average of 26 hours per week playing WoW. REF

Make of this what you will. It doesn't seem like XFire players are representative of any MMORPG player. One of the problem here is we can't peek into XFire's numbers for individual players of specific games. Of the people who were playing WoW with XFire, how many play an average of 26 hours a week? How many of them play the game for 3 hours and never play again? For that matter, how many unique players are reporting data and how many concurrent players are reporting data?

Looking at XFire and trying to take it beyond XFire can't be done without a lot of estimates and outright guessing. There is so much information not provided, that you can't do anything with XFire without making something up.

 

But it is just obvious.   Xfire is a tool used by players who play a lot of different games but want to stay in touch with people playing other games.   they are simply more likely to be locusts (jumping on a new game) than an average person.

The interesting thing in watching Xfire now is if  WOW will catch GW2 before Mop is released.   GW2 has been falling pretty fast, but I think WOW won´t go above them until launch day.