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World of Warcraft Forum » General Discussion » Face it, WoW is finished

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  Cthulhu23

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3/27/12 10:44:14 PM#21
Originally posted by Bunks

If WoW is finished, then SWTOR has been dead and buried already.

Jesus Christ, you're obsessed.  

 

 

  Robsolf

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3/27/12 11:52:53 PM#22

M'yeah.... coming up next:  "Why WoW was a colossal failure from the start"....

 

  travamars

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3/27/12 11:57:10 PM#23

One day WOW will go F2P and it will still be one the top games out. Your grandkids might be playing it and wanting to use your CC to buy some gold.

  Azrile

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3/29/12 2:42:29 PM#24
Originally posted by travamars

One day WOW will go F2P and it will still be one the top games out. Your grandkids might be playing it and wanting to use your CC to buy some gold.

I think the F2P model for AAA titles is a little overdone.   DDO had huge success with it the first year... but we really haven´t heard of AAA companies making incredible profits since then.  Certainly for EQ2 and AOC it did not work because even with f2p they have not seen any real increase in players, let alone more money.  I think DDO was successful at it because they were the first AAA title that did it and also their content (with adventure packs) really lends itself well to free2play.  They also implemented a very generous system that didn´t handcuff your gameplay.  You could play almost every race and class and quest through a ton of content without ever paying.

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  cutthecrap

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3/29/12 2:58:47 PM#25

Lol. Funny topic title.

 

Don't think so though. They still have 9-10 million people playing it fairly regularly. Even if that number may change after this year, I don't think WoW is 'finished'. Content wise, there's enough features and mechanics they could go for, depending on how willing or daring the designers will be of course, but my guess is that if the numbers start dropping more and more, the willingness to try out some more daring features will increase accordingly.

So far, they've played safe because there was no need to rock the boat much.

  Ravenmane

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3/29/12 3:18:19 PM#26

I love these posts.  They're funny to read.  A lot fo people don't even realize it's a troll post.  Some clarifying facts, though.  Yes, you have to be a prior-sub to get the free lvl 80.  They're not handing them out to new accounts.  So what if they sell pets and mounts for use in-game?  They're not forcing you to buy them.  They're not the only pets and mounts in the game.  There's over 100 others...each that you don't have to pay for.  Perhaps Blizzard wanted to make a BOE pet in order for people who can't afford $10 can buy them from someone who did pay $10 for it but use their gold instead.  I have yet to see that cub really go for any amount I would cough at on any of my servers.  You can get more for pets that are already in-game.  There's already work started on the 5th expansion and the 6th one is ready to get pitched (the 6th one which is years away) and they're not even stopping at those.

I think a lot of the hate has to do with the fact that WoW has reigned as king (in the opinion of some) of MMO's for too long and they want to read about a new game.  That and there are people out there who just want to troll and stir up hate because they don't like it.  It's kind of like how wars start.  One person has one opinion of how things should be and apparently everyone else is wrong if they think opposite.  But then here comes some people that feel the other way and now the first person wants to get rid of them simply for their views on things.  There's Star Wars, it's good.  There's Guild Wars, it's good, too.  What's the point of ranting about a game that you don't like?  If you don't like it and don't want to play...don't.  There are others out there for you to play then complain about the smallest thing about them that you don't like.  Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see the sub numbers wow pulled in another game.  Even the statistic guys at EA are aware of that but they're happy with their 1.5 million subs.  WoW has 10 million subs and the numbers leaving are getting smaller and smaller every quarter. 

I play WoW, SWTOR, GW, WoT, and LoL.  I don't play favorites.  I only have issues when people don't know the facts or they edit things to make them sound much more horrible than they are or truley aren't.  WoW is a good game.  Yeah, it doesn't cater to the hardcore and elite like it used to but things are changing to where a game doesn't need a population of hardcore to keep it going.  Just a population of people enjoying what they pay for.  And 10 millions subs are telling Blizzard they are doing fine.  That's over $450 million a quarter.  On my server there has been a surge of new players and returning players.

Now hopefully SWTOR will be awesome when patch 1.2 comes out.  GW...content has been kind of slow witht eh work they're doing on GW2 which is understandable.  Wargames.net rakes in seven digit numbers a month from World of Tanks.  And League of Legends is still fairly fun but I'm waiting for DOTA2.

 

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  DollMighty8313

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4/01/12 7:38:54 PM#27

As much as people think I doubt wow will be dead anytime soon.  MoP will drive a lot of people right back, then they will leave again for the next expansion.  The game is losing subscribers, but it also gets people coming back all the time. 

  zephermarkus

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4/01/12 7:51:27 PM#28
Originally posted by Azrile
Originally posted by travamars

One day WOW will go F2P and it will still be one the top games out. Your grandkids might be playing it and wanting to use your CC to buy some gold.

I think the F2P model for AAA titles is a little overdone.   DDO had huge success with it the first year... but we really haven´t heard of AAA companies making incredible profits since then.  Certainly for EQ2 and AOC it did not work because even with f2p they have not seen any real increase in players, let alone more money.  I think DDO was successful at it because they were the first AAA title that did it and also their content (with adventure packs) really lends itself well to free2play.  They also implemented a very generous system that didn´t handcuff your gameplay.  You could play almost every race and class and quest through a ton of content without ever paying.

Don't talk about things you don't understand it makes you sound like an idiot. F2p is the wave of the future p2p is on the way out. Blizzards next game is actually f2p but anyway back to my point. Eq2 saw huge profits when they switched to f2p and the main reason why now vanguard is being revamped and gong f2p. Eq2 actaully saw a 33% increase in profit. Please do research before you talke please. I won't give anymore examples you can find them yourself.

  zephermarkus

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4/01/12 7:56:59 PM#29
Originally posted by dollada06

As much as people think I doubt wow will be dead anytime soon.  MoP will drive a lot of people right back, then they will leave again for the next expansion.  The game is losing subscribers, but it also gets people coming back all the time. 

Imo I woudn't call people coming back for an expasion for a couple months and leaving again a success. Also to all you people still using this 10 and 11 million subs number for wow pls stop. Bizzard counts asia in those numbers and there the game is f2p so acctually they aren't subs and the real number of subs isn't that many. If you add up eu and north america you get maybe 1 million subs if that and we all know no matter how much of a fanboy you are US and EU subs are all that matter in wow because we give them the most profit. Do some real research and don;t use xfire and dumb shit like that for your numbers use the public files and such about the company you can find them I belive in you. Side note swtor has aboutthe same amount of subs as wow if you don't count asia.

  User Deleted
4/01/12 8:28:44 PM#30

It seems to be fading in the same slow,self-destructive way as the Roman Empire,being chipped at from both inside and out. The change in management a couple of years back brought decisions that caused a big exodus of older and more serious gamers. A constant barrage of ftp and new entries keeps chipping away. The turn down in the economy makes Gamer's dollars more competitive. I doubt there will ever be one big,killing blow to that game. It will just keep taking hits from inside and out and slowly fade. Nothing lasts forever. Someday McDonalds and Walmart will disappear. I suspect they are prepping that new,hush-hush game to roll out when the time is right.

  Nadia

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4/01/12 8:29:17 PM#31
Originally posted by zephermarkus
 Side note swtor has about the same amount of subs as wow if you don't count asia.

the last time Blizzard gave a break down in 2008

- it was 4.5 million for US & EU   No asia

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443799

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Asia is the biggest market at the moment, with more than 5.5 million players, as compared to North America's 2.5 million and 2 million subscribers in Europe.

 

SWTOR is nothing like that

  khelbon

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4/01/12 8:36:39 PM#32

Excuse me sir/ma'am but on these forums we do not post WoW bash threads. These were so 2011. Today er post either SWTOR is dieing threads/SWTOR is growing threads or why GW2 will either fail/succeed threads.

We will also except threads on why cash shops ruin games. For bonus points you may post a thread on why the cash shop in GW2 will ruin the game.

Thank you.

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  Magnetia

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4/01/12 8:40:35 PM#33

WoW isn't going to die anytime soon if EVERQUEST is still running. 

However I do think WoW is getting too large for its own good.

I'd imagined an extremely obese man that intermittently yells in a lonely and desperate voice "Looooove Meeee!" between bouts of vomiting content all over himself.

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  The_Gekko

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4/02/12 3:33:39 PM#34
Originally posted by zephermarkus
Originally posted by dollada06

As much as people think I doubt wow will be dead anytime soon.  MoP will drive a lot of people right back, then they will leave again for the next expansion.  The game is losing subscribers, but it also gets people coming back all the time. 

Imo I woudn't call people coming back for an expasion for a couple months and leaving again a success. Also to all you people still using this 10 and 11 million subs number for wow pls stop. Bizzard counts asia in those numbers and there the game is f2p so acctually they aren't subs and the real number of subs isn't that many. If you add up eu and north america you get maybe 1 million subs if that and we all know no matter how much of a fanboy you are US and EU subs are all that matter in wow because we give them the most profit. Do some real research and don;t use xfire and dumb shit like that for your numbers use the public files and such about the company you can find them I belive in you. Side note swtor has aboutthe same amount of subs as wow if you don't count asia.

Sorry, but your "F2P" comment for Asian players seems lacking in details. It is not F2P in the traditional sense, that is to say that each player has had to at one point purchased an account key to create an account, as account keys there are available for purchase without the software. Second, each account must purchase game time to play, usually in game time cards. Just because monthly subscription options aren't available there, game time still needs to be purchased to play, hence accounts there can still count towards WoW's total subscriber base.

  wrightstuf

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4/02/12 3:42:45 PM#35
Originally posted by BribarianI

I know the population will remain high and a bunch of naives will be jumping around with their storebought pets and mounts and now classes, but it's over.

Need gold?  Just buy a boe pet and sell it

Dont feel like leveling?  Buy yourself scroll of resurrection

What's left?  They've milked almost all of it down to nothing, but go forth and level in MoP, within a few months after the expansion the scroll of resurrection will be bumped up and some clown will just lol past you and you timespent leveling like a fool.

There is no such thing as progression in WoW, because it is simply handed out when blizzard needs a few bucks.

how is it "over" if the population remains high?

  sapheroith

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4/02/12 3:44:38 PM#36
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by zephermarkus
 Side note swtor has about the same amount of subs as wow if you don't count asia.

the last time Blizzard gave a break down in 2008

- it was 4.5 million for US & EU   No asia

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443799

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Asia is the biggest market at the moment, with more than 5.5 million players, as compared to North America's 2.5 million and 2 million subscribers in Europe.

 

SWTOR is nothing like that


That is so 4 years ago, and every1 know their sub number dropped significantly in recent times.

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  Wicoa

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4/02/12 3:47:08 PM#37

Why do other kids like to bash things most kids enjoy :/. Try to be happy for them maybe instead of bait and trap + cyber harass someone else's game.

  Pivotelite

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4/02/12 3:50:14 PM#38
Originally posted by sapheroith
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by zephermarkus
 Side note swtor has about the same amount of subs as wow if you don't count asia.

the last time Blizzard gave a break down in 2008

- it was 4.5 million for US & EU   No asia

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443799

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Asia is the biggest market at the moment, with more than 5.5 million players, as compared to North America's 2.5 million and 2 million subscribers in Europe.

 

SWTOR is nothing like that


That is so 4 years ago, and every1 know their sub number dropped significantly in recent times.

But wasn't it noted that WoW is still at over 10million subscribers? Sure they dropped recently, but they are still above 10 million and you bet for a short time that number will rise when MoP releases, as much as my friends hate WoW(so they say) they always go back, for every single expansion and they are planning on it again. Like someone said earlier, it's most peoples first MMO and the nostalgia and previous love for the game always brings them back.

 

If I was to make a safe estimation for SW:TORs overall population in NA/EU i'd say it's around 1.1-1.2m, which is nowhere near what WoW is.

 

Also on topic, WoW is not dying anytime soon, the game has a long life ahead of it still. Whether it is dead to you or not is a different story.

  SuperXero89

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4/02/12 3:52:19 PM#39

If WoW dies before something takes its place, the mmorpg genre dies.  What makes other devs think their copycats can survive when people no longer enjoy playing the real thing?

  Slampig

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4/02/12 3:53:59 PM#40
Originally posted by BribarianI

I know the population will remain high and a bunch of naives will be jumping around with their storebought pets and mounts and now classes, but it's over.

Need gold?  Just buy a boe pet and sell it

Dont feel like leveling?  Buy yourself scroll of resurrection

What's left?  They've milked almost all of it down to nothing, but go forth and level in MoP, within a few months after the expansion the scroll of resurrection will be bumped up and some clown will just lol past you and you timespent leveling like a fool.

There is no such thing as progression in WoW, because it is simply handed out when blizzard needs a few bucks.

Ok then...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

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