Originally posted by nerovipus32

i just don't believe that wow has 11 million active subscriptions...that to me is an outright lie.

I may be mistaken, but I believe they are allowed to include active free trials in those numbers as well.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by nerovipus32

i just don't believe that wow has 11 million active subscriptions...that to me is an outright lie.

I may be mistaken, but I believe they are allowed to include active free trials in those numbers as well.

Yes but they word it to sound like 11 million subscriptions.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by nerovipus32

i just don't believe that wow has 11 million active subscriptions...that to me is an outright lie.

I may be mistaken, but I believe they are allowed to include active free trials in those numbers as well.

Blizzard doesn't include free trials in their figures.

Blizzard didn't only lied about lost subs, they lied about their numbers from ever since.

All these 15cent 1 hour internet-cafe accounts in China that no one needs to cancel. And since no one cancels them, they technically never expire. Therefore they are being counted as "active subs", while they aren't exactly that.

And oh, in before "no, public company must no lie!!". I wonder when folks get that they are being lied to about way bigger things on a daily basis.

What blizzard (and other companies for that matter) count as a subscriber is so vague and loose that it's pretty much pointless to debate these numbers. Every company has  their own definition of what a 'subscriber' is, this is how blizzard defines a subscriber:

Source: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443926

I don't doubt that between the western subscription based mmo's WoW is most likely the most popular and subscribed one, however I don't think that the number of actual people playing WoW is anywhere near 10 million, probably closer to 6 million which would still be quite an impressive number.

Originally posted by Xerith

We never have a way of actually knowing, and really in the end it does'nt matter. Personally I have continue to lose respect for Blizzard over the years, to me they are no longer the same company they were when they released games like D2 and WC3 People, however, still greatly enjoy their games and thats fine with me. I never understood the pure need to know exactly how many subscribers a game has, or to look at everything a game company says, as lying. 

It's simple, a lot of people on this site want Blizzard to lose all their subscibers. The fact it isn't happening as fast as their many predictions is obviously distressing to them. Strange obsession. If people still play and enjoy a game who cares. After I leave a game I don't wish it's demise (yes even WoW)

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Did Blizzard lie about the sub lost in the east, and instead had a major lost in the west?

seem like Blizzard is doing well in the east. So maybe they are just making more money off of the east, making up for the lost subs.

what you think the case is?

Holy cow, for real?

This thread has a seat reserved in my rocket ship, right alongside the Backstreet Boys and American Idol and Whitney Houston...next stop, the middle of the Sun...

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by nerovipus32

i just don't believe that wow has 11 million active subscriptions...that to me is an outright lie.

I may be mistaken, but I believe they are allowed to include active free trials in those numbers as well.

No, they are not, they only count those who are on their first month gametime for new players or for eastern players anyone who has logged in the last month.  They have published dozens of times how they calculate their subscribers.  

Originally posted by derpmeister

What blizzard (and other companies for that matter) count as a subscriber is so vague and loose that it's pretty much pointless to debate these numbers. Every company has  their own definition of what a 'subscriber' is, this is how blizzard defines a subscriber:

 

World of Warcraft’s Subscriber Definition

World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules.

 

Source: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443926

I don't doubt that between the western subscription based mmo's WoW is most likely the most popular and subscribed one, however I don't think that the number of actual people playing WoW is anywhere near 10 million, probably closer to 6 million which would still be quite an impressive number.

I don't really see how anything there is vague.  They spell out exactly who is counted towards their total.  Those who paid a  subscription fee, those who are within their gametime card time, those who have purchased the game and are in their first 30 days, and the last part is how they count their eastern subs, anyone who has logged into the game in the last 30 days.  This is anything but vague, it is very specific.