Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by bloodaxes

What do you expect? wow fans can bash any game they want and others can't?

People bash WoW more then WoW players bash other games.  just saying.

If you think so, by checking ever single game around I always find someone saying "meh another wow clone" or "wow is still better then this" so who starts the flames?

How is giving your opinion that one game is better then the other flaming?  all i see around here is wow sucks, wow killed my wife, wow pee'd on me, wow ruined the world, wow made other devs become bad, wow won't tie my shoe, wow is for unintelligent people, wow = mcdonalds, wow caused the H1N1, wow is the the cause of all problems in the universe.

people start flaming a person because they don't like what they said, so no someone saying wow is better is just an opinion, its the butthurt fanboi's that can't handle someone not liking there new game.

The wow clone thing is stupid and is often said more by people who don't even play wow, they just hate wow so much they can't stand to see a game that is similar to wow.

I don't talk for those that are considered trolls because if you look at my post count I never went flaming in wow.

An opinion is an opinion I don't mind that it's an opinion after all but don't tell me "meh another wow clone",  "wow is still better then this" or saying that since wow has x subs it means it's the best game in the world is an opinion because it's clear that they want to troll/flame.

If they are just trolling then there is no guarantee that they are actually a fan of WoW.   In fact they might hate WoW and thus use it as a scapegoat for their trolling.  When it comes to trolling you cannot draw any conclussions from those posts beside that the poster is an ass.

Personally, I alwasy consider the 'meh another wow clone' comment as comming from someone who does not like WoW and is insulting the game they are discussing.

Let's not forget the myriad of times someone makes a criticism of a game (with no mention of WoW or WoW-typical mechanics) and is flamed with 'go back to WoW'.

Originally posted by bobm111

lol delete the wow account fool:) there the ones wripping you off and it is only the beginning..

 

bobm111

Way to prove his point

Originally posted by Ramonski7

It's a shame, one of the few posters that I deemed worthy of using the frontal lobe has been driven away by the sheer buffoonery of the low-brow thinkers. Oh well, I will continue to carry the baton along with the few who actually understand the complexities involved in a ever-changing genre.

 

I just hope that more rational posters are born from the influx of new MMO gamers born since Nov, 23 2004. I can't be the only optimistic intellectual out there...

 

RIP Temp

Amen, brother

Sorry to see you go, Temp.

I actually liked reading your posts and having debates with you because you knew at the end it was just a debate.

One of the better members on these forums and you will be missed.

Good luck :)

People post things to annoy other people, you let them get to you, so you lose... Most mmorpgs are full of haters and antagonist. You can ignore them in game and ignore their mindless comments on a forum or let them piss you off.

 you let the trolls win temp, bad bad bad.

Unless I mis-read - I think he's ONLY leaving the MMORPG forums and not the game he or she plays

And honestly I certainly don't blame the OP. MMORPG's forums have turned into a terrible place to go to find any useful information. Its like the cess-pool of the MMO community right now - seriously. No one can write one objective post without a ton of "fanboy" or "hater" arguments.

Just because the OP leaves this site it doesn't mean he's "giving up" - it just means he's tired of all the bullshit here and honestly I can completely understand why. I've been on these forums for 5+ years and I can honestly say it gets worse and worse by the week.

While I never knew the OP "personally" (IE: never read their posts, etc) I very much wish you well where ever you go. Its sad the community has come to this - which was once very strong. Now - any new poster can't find any useful information here because there's so much hate from MAJORITY of the posters - not all, but certainly most.

As I see it its most WoW fans here who are trolling and flaming people. People have every right to voice their concern about something they feel passinote about (subs+rmt) but there is alot of flaming from WoW fans which is making this even worse.

So blame the WoW-fans instead that the OP is leaving this forum...

Bye bye. Don't let the browser hit you on the way out.

The OP needs to learn to deal with dumb people.  They are becoming the norm.  Why run and hide like the OP.  The only way to combat this growing problem is to attack it head on not walk away in defeat.

Ron White said it best "Can't fix stupid but you can fix dumb"

Good luck to you in life OP, you will need it if you cannot handle stupid people on a forum I have no idea how you will in RL.

WoW is not a bad game but WoW has changed the genre.  For better or worst that is the truth.   Everyone has an opinion on WoW because it is the center of the MMO universe.  

PS I am willing to bet the OP created another account.

There is IMO no WOW,i call that game EQ 1.5,a little better than EQ1 but the little brother to EQ2.Even several years later ,i still see the game continue to ripoff EQ,it is incredible really that such a large developer,cannot create any ideas of their own.

Well since i really don't think Blizzard has their own two feet to stand on,i just could not help but do a little digging.Guess what i found...from 2005.Remember it is no secret the Blizzard devs played EQ,they may have very well remembered this idea.

www.northwestwishes.org/wishes/meetarchive.asp

It is possible,another stolen idea.This is from 2005.

Fast forward now does this look familiar?  www.wow.com/2007/05/22/blizzard-and-make-a-wish-bringing-wow-to-life/

Ok now here is the $10 dollar part ,well Blizzard is collecting also 10 bucks,they are donating 5 of it ,sort of the same no?

www.castersrealm.com/index.php/everquest/permalink/soe_and_childs_play_charity/

I think it has been like this ever since the launch of both Eq2 and WOW.Eq2 was projected to release later than when it did,so when Blizzard saw Eq2 release earlier they revamped and had to push WOW out sooner than they anticipated.It's like it has been a back and forth battle ,a sort of proving grounds.No matter the number of WOW subscribers,the fact is these guys played and respect EQ as the game to copy,Blizzard has been following SOE's footsteps for years.

Why did he feel the need to delete his acount he should of just left it with the oppuritunity to always come back. Shame he had to leave though full stop.

Hahahaha, sorry but the only way I can take this thread is as "QQQQQQQQQQQ people are against Blizzard for selling $10 dollars pet"

You sir, sacrificed yourself (forum account) for Blizzard's awesome cause. The Greeks will call you a tragic hero, but one without the fame or any actual recognition... Actually, they wouldn't call you anything. But I will call you a dumbass.

Originally posted by Deleted User

As you can see, I have been a long time member of this site and I have posted a lot. I have been here for many highs and many lows when it comes to the realm of MMO's. However, this will be my last post and I will be deleting my MMORPG.com account. The ignorance over and the "intellectual dishonesty" (to borrow from Zorndorf's words) surrounding the issue of Blizzard adding a pet store to the game and some proceeds going to make-a-wish is more than enough proof to show me its time to move on. People are more interested in hating Blizzard and proving their own point than understanding the details about the issue. In short, its not worth it anymore to regularly post here because people don't care about honest debate and seeking the truth on a topic, they would rather argue for the sake of arguing.

The community morale and feeling has plummeted. Now everyone is a fanboi or a hater and the focus isn't about MMO's but about people's reactions to them. You cannot post about anything without getting verbally attacked and insulted from either or both sides. Most people do not want to listen to logic and honest, truthful information....they all want to put their personal spin on stuff. So when posters attempt to provide useful information (like Coffee for example), the information gets lost in the tirade of blind hate and ignorance. Respect for the poster themself has gone out the window.

The reason I post here is that I frequented this forum quite a bit and got to know many posters in it. WOW is my game of choice and will continue to be until a time when I see fit to no longer play it. Call me a fanboi if you want...that is fine because I am a FAN of the game.

Good luck to all, enjoy your MMO travels and best wishes.

Templarga

A lot of Wow fans did the same bashing when SOE added the same shops, I am rather sure you didn't protest then.
 

But this is frankly not about Blizzard and SOe, it is about the fact that more and more companies are adding fees into a game where you are supposed to be paying for the stuff already with your monthly fees.

First you buy the game, then you buy the expansions. You pay a monthly fee, and you pay money for server transfers, name changing and so on. And now they add a cash shop for stuff also.

There was even a lot of fighting inside Blizzard during Wow development if they shoul have any monthly fees whatsoever between Morhaime (boss) and Strain (lead programmer). Morhaime won and Wows 3 top programmers quited and started arenanet instead. Now they add fees for everything.

But I personally don't care about fees in Wow, however are the idea spreading like fire. Soon every game could demand money for a lot of things that we already are paying for. And that just blows.

The only light on the horizon is Guildwars 2, a open world MMO with no monthly fees or cashshops. I hope it becomes huge so it forces Blizzard and SOE to stop this madness.

But as I said: If you like Wow, play it. I have nothing against Wow, the game just isn't fun for me personally. But this is a forum and here we discuss things, and you will find a few trolls in any forum on the net so don't take things so personal.

Originally posted by Wizardry

There is IMO no WOW,i call that game EQ 1.5,a little better than EQ1 but the little brother to EQ2.Even several years later ,i still see the game continue to ripoff EQ,it is incredible really that such a large developer,cannot create any ideas of their own.

Well since i really don't think Blizzard has their own two feet to stand on,i just could not help but do a little digging.Guess what i found...from 2005.Remember it is no secret the Blizzard devs played EQ,they may have very well remembered this idea.

www.northwestwishes.org/wishes/meetarchive.asp

It is possible,another stolen idea.This is from 2005.

Fast forward now does this look familiar?  www.wow.com/2007/05/22/blizzard-and-make-a-wish-bringing-wow-to-life/

Ok now here is the $10 dollar part ,well Blizzard is collecting also 10 bucks,they are donating 5 of it ,sort of the same no?

www.castersrealm.com/index.php/everquest/permalink/soe_and_childs_play_charity/

I think it has been like this ever since the launch of both Eq2 and WOW.Eq2 was projected to release later than when it did,so when Blizzard saw Eq2 release earlier they revamped and had to push WOW out sooner than they anticipated.It's like it has been a back and forth battle ,a sort of proving grounds.No matter the number of WOW subscribers,the fact is these guys played and respect EQ as the game to copy,Blizzard has been following SOE's footsteps for years.

 

 

So you try to call WoW as EQ1.5, what does that mean?  Blizz is dumb or you are dumb?  Let everyone judge on their own.

So you think some of the Blizz developers played EQ, you think they respect EQ.  So?  Does that automatically mean WoW is inferior to EQ?  Mozart studied Handel and Bach, that means Mozart is subpar.  We all read the books from DC Comics, we all are no better than the editors of DC comics?

Release dates, publication strategy and so on, all these are marketing tactics.  Does that matter in terms of gameplay?  The proof of the pie is in the eating.  Is EQ1 and EQ2 superior or inferior to WoW in certain aspects?  How does the comparison go, aspect by aspect.  You dodged all these issues and brought up a lot of totally irrelevant person opinion, pretending to be facts, and package them as if they are relevant in the issue of gameplay comparison.  Underhand, indeed.

I play a game that makes me smile, I fucking do not care who copies from whom, and I surely know everybody copies from everybody else.  That said, the one who integrates all current wisdom in the best manner to create the overall best product wins the current round.  Maybe tomorrow Bioware will come up with a new formula, who knows.  Today, WoW wins in terms of overall, while many major games has its own merits in certain aspects of gameplay.  Heck, I still recall most favourably, the hours I spend painting my avatar in City of Heroes, and the days I fought in the DAoC frontier, and the hours I roam SWG looking for a good gun.

The way your talk is pretentious, despicable and outright deplorable.  "stolen idea", "cannot create their own idea", "own feet to stand up", "little brother", "following SOE's footsteps" ... all person opinions hideously present as if its truth, many of them outright wrong.  Blizz has many original ideas that makes us smile, summoning stones, rest bonus, they have shown us something unique in the gaming industry, polishness that sets the highest standard unachievable so far by others (with possibly exception of LOTRo).  SoE scrapped SWG to follow the footsteps of WoW, and that about is the concensus of the world, not the other way round ... .  There are so many holes in your pretensious little thesis, I leave the fun of poking holes in it to other members of this forum.

NOW, I do not pretend to say WoW is bible or the only game on earth.  People who disagree with your crappist criticism of WoW need not be a WoW fan.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Deleted User

As you can see, I have been a long time member of this site and I have posted a lot. I have been here for many highs and many lows when it comes to the realm of MMO's. However, this will be my last post and I will be deleting my MMORPG.com account. The ignorance over and the "intellectual dishonesty" (to borrow from Zorndorf's words) surrounding the issue of Blizzard adding a pet store to the game and some proceeds going to make-a-wish is more than enough proof to show me its time to move on. People are more interested in hating Blizzard and proving their own point than understanding the details about the issue. In short, its not worth it anymore to regularly post here because people don't care about honest debate and seeking the truth on a topic, they would rather argue for the sake of arguing.

The community morale and feeling has plummeted. Now everyone is a fanboi or a hater and the focus isn't about MMO's but about people's reactions to them. You cannot post about anything without getting verbally attacked and insulted from either or both sides. Most people do not want to listen to logic and honest, truthful information....they all want to put their personal spin on stuff. So when posters attempt to provide useful information (like Coffee for example), the information gets lost in the tirade of blind hate and ignorance. Respect for the poster themself has gone out the window.

The reason I post here is that I frequented this forum quite a bit and got to know many posters in it. WOW is my game of choice and will continue to be until a time when I see fit to no longer play it. Call me a fanboi if you want...that is fine because I am a FAN of the game.

Good luck to all, enjoy your MMO travels and best wishes.

Templarga

A lot of Wow fans did the same bashing when SOE added the same shops, I am rather sure you didn't protest then.
 I do, I just launched a shot at Zorn, in disgust.  That said, all these talks should be about games, not personal.

But this is frankly not about Blizzard and SOe, it is about the fact that more and more companies are adding fees into a game where you are supposed to be paying for the stuff already with your monthly fees.  The key factor in my consideration would be, is the fee item vital and game breaking.  Frankly a pet is nothing.  If someone wants to pay to look better, I do not feel sad.  He pays more, Blizz got more money to polish the game, I suffer nothing.  Why should I care.  Some people pay a lot of money for a stupid looking dress, do I need to start a post on some forums?  Hell no.

First you buy the game, then you buy the expansions. You pay a monthly fee, and you pay money for server transfers, name changing and so on. And now they add a cash shop for stuff also.  We do the same for a lot of things, from our car to our house.  The point is, we are the ones holding the wallet, we call the shots on what to buy and what not to.  So long as its a voluntary purchase, if you cannot resist the demonstration effects of the stupid ads, you fall for it, blame yourself.

There was even a lot of fighting inside Blizzard during Wow development if they shoul have any monthly fees whatsoever between Morhaime (boss) and Strain (lead programmer). Morhaime won and Wows 3 top programmers quited and started arenanet instead. Now they add fees for everything.

But I personally don't care about fees in Wow, however are the idea spreading like fire. Soon every game could demand money for a lot of things that we already are paying for. And that just blows.  So?  They can charge for everything, including charging you to post here, do you feel alarmed?  So long as there are competition, someone will be willing to offer alternate gaming experience at competitive prices.  We need to worry only when there is monopoly.  Do not worry, its always free to take a stroll along the lakeside, and Blizz will not be able to levy a fee for that, nor on a BBQ with friends in the backyard.

The only light on the horizon is Guildwars 2, a open world MMO with no monthly fees or cashshops. I hope it becomes huge so it forces Blizzard and SOE to stop this madness.  Very true, lets hope the competition stay healthy and well fed.

But as I said: If you like Wow, play it. I have nothing against Wow, the game just isn't fun for me personally. But this is a forum and here we discuss things, and you will find a few trolls in any forum on the net so don't take things so personal.  Agree, hats off.

While its nice to see you going out as a matyr, i am afraid your dramatics have had little to no effect, seeing the very first reply to your post. After all people here have a one track mind and don't mind stooping to the level of the so called "no life losers" they hate so much.

But i guess thats what you get when you have a site that caters to more than one game. People will always try to compare and compete, even when there is nothing in common between the said games other than the fact that they are MMOs. Instead of talking about a game and its features, mechanichs, classes, etc. people will defend/bash eash others game, often with both sides making posts with nothing but pure bullshit.

Now in an ideal world, each game's message board would have a designated mvp poster who would take care of the crap posts or at the very least ban people who have nothing better to do with their time but make stupid posts which make you scratch your head and wonder if there really is a human sitting at the other end of the screen (hi googajoob7 =D). Keep in mind this will also keep the one and only stat monster Zorndorf or any other wow fanbot away from your game.

But thank God we don't live in an ideal world. Its a free-for-all here and it makes for some prime time entertainment. And while it saddens me to see an intelligent entertainer leave, its good to know that the stupid ones are still around to keep the good times rolling.

Goodbye Temp.

The Lich King says " Cease your intolerable chatter... for I will take your souls "

Did you just miss the huge thread where mmorpg.com basically defended Blizzard's first steps at an ingame cash shop? Or you chose to not acknowledge its existence? In case you really missed it, here is a link:

www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/3700/page/1

I don't think it was a ever a secret that this site was serving mostly people who are looking for alternatives to the MMOs they are currently playing. And since a very big portion of the population has played WoW, a good portion of the population of this site will be searching for alternatives to that game.

A good portion of the above mentioned ex-WoW population will treat WoW as an ex girlfriend. But that's a problem with the individuals. It's exactly the same attitude that you exhibit frequently, when trash talking anything non-WoW (Aion being a prime target these days).

In any case, his leaving is a loss. Unfortunately without realizing what the big issue is with the inclusion of RMT shops in a number of P2P games. Personally, I'll just bide my time and wait until Blizzard follows the exact same path SOE and Cryptic did before her, ie., offering cosmetic items at first and then moving to game altering or game improving items.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

-----> The way Aion was and is promoted by this "mmorpg.com" site in its farced REVIEW was already a clear case of ignorance vs the average ratings on the web this game got.

MMORPG.COM lost  - at this very point - ALL touch with outside reality if it concerns mmo's .... that people .... play.

The average Aion ratings on the web now is 8.00 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/932526-aion/index.html), with the very profound PC gamer giving it 6.0.

The average WotLK rating on the web is 9.46 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html)

On MMORPG.COM Aion has gotten the BEST review EVER a whopping 8.7 and WOW gets 8.1 (and that makes a difference of a WHOPPING 2.1  in .... evaluating 2 games with the AVERAGE found on the web.

---The IMO statement---- has become a farce on this site.

 

Aion deserves a higher review score than WoW.  It's a superior game in each and every way.

Flaming this comment is pointless, I am purely stating fact.

Originally posted by mightyikari

Originally posted by Zorndorf

-----> The way Aion was and is promoted by this "mmorpg.com" site in its farced REVIEW was already a clear case of ignorance vs the average ratings on the web this game got.

MMORPG.COM lost  - at this very point - ALL touch with outside reality if it concerns mmo's .... that people .... play.

The average Aion ratings on the web now is 8.00 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/932526-aion/index.html), with the very profound PC gamer giving it 6.0.

The average WotLK rating on the web is 9.46 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html)

On MMORPG.COM Aion has gotten the BEST review EVER a whopping 8.7 and WOW gets 8.1 (and that makes a difference of a WHOPPING 2.1  in .... evaluating 2 games with the AVERAGE found on the web.

---The IMO statement---- has become a farce on this site.

 

 

Aion deserves a higher review score than WoW.  It's a superior game in each and every way.

Flaming this comment is pointless, I am purely stating fact.

And people like you make this whole genre go down. Aion is nothing more than a simplified WoW clone(yes, I said simplified). Now, you'll probably go "BUT ZOMG LVLING TAKES 5 YEARS THAT MEANS ITS SO MUCH HARDER THAN WOW"...not really, no.
The only thing WoW does better than Aion is large(very large)-scale PvP, because then things aren't that noticeable. And again, that's so horribly done compared to DAOC or L2, it barely worths this mention.
WoW is here to stay, but if people would stop supporting its obvious clones(even more lolzy is them saying they are completely different games), then devs might stop believing that MMORPG players are people who are just too bored by WoW but too thick to try another MMO model. And then, we will finally have a MMO, where there are more things than combat, loots and grinding, packed together in an instanced world.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by mightyikari

Originally posted by Zorndorf

-----> The way Aion was and is promoted by this "mmorpg.com" site in its farced REVIEW was already a clear case of ignorance vs the average ratings on the web this game got.

MMORPG.COM lost  - at this very point - ALL touch with outside reality if it concerns mmo's .... that people .... play.

The average Aion ratings on the web now is 8.00 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/932526-aion/index.html), with the very profound PC gamer giving it 6.0.

The average WotLK rating on the web is 9.46 (http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html)

On MMORPG.COM Aion has gotten the BEST review EVER a whopping 8.7 and WOW gets 8.1 (and that makes a difference of a WHOPPING 2.1  in .... evaluating 2 games with the AVERAGE found on the web.

---The IMO statement---- has become a farce on this site.

 

 

Aion deserves a higher review score than WoW.  It's a superior game in each and every way.

Flaming this comment is pointless, I am purely stating fact.

And people like you make this whole genre go down. Aion is nothing more than a simplified WoW clone(yes, I said simplified). Now, you'll probably go "BUT ZOMG LVLING TAKES 5 YEARS THAT MEANS ITS SO MUCH HARDER THAN WOW"...not really, no.
The only thing WoW does better than Aion is large(very large)-scale PvP, because then things aren't that noticeable. And again, that's so horribly done compared to DAOC or L2, it barely worths this mention.
WoW is here to stay, but if people would stop supporting its obvious clones(even more lolzy is them saying they are completely different games), then devs might stop believing that MMORPG players are people who are just too bored by WoW but too thick to try another MMO model. And then, we will finally have a MMO, where there are more things than combat, loots and grinding, packed together in an instanced world.

I don't really like being grouped like that.  I have played both games and drew this conclusion.

I found RoM better than WoW to be honest, WoW is simply showing it's age in comparison now.

the fact is  true that so many regular trolls in this forum. but well almost every where is like that. specially when it comes to MMOs

Whenever I see one of these posts I always wonder the size of the ego

Most of the WoW haters started up when Vivendi bought Blizzard. There is no more corrupt company than Vivendi, mabye equally corrupt. But you can't surpass Vivendi in that.    Black to the core.