---

Originally posted by Xiaoki
If you're not excited about vehicle combat like freeing a dragon and then mounting that dragon to fight your through a tower, using a gyrocopter to air rescue people or riding a horse and throwing flaming oil at werewolves then there truly is no hope for you.

---

Couldn't have said it better myself. WoW or not, these things are worth getting excited about.

Imagine if Blizzard included beer and strippers with their expansion pack - real beer, and real strippers.  Haters would still post something like:

*Yawn*, beer.  I've drunken it before, it's nothing new.   And strippers?  I can watch porn on the internet anyway.   

No matter what Blizzard do, no matter how good the new expansion pack, there is no pleasing these people.  They are in a perpetual state of self-destructive vicious circle of awaiting new MMORPG releases only to have them vomit into their faces before falling into the gutter of MMORPG street, later to be run over by Horde riding Kodo mounts screaming at the top of the lungs "oh my god this is so much fun, I hear they're including beer and stripper in the next x-pack".

To sum up: people will always whine, especially when theres an opportunity to bitch about WoW.

Originally posted by Recant

To sum up: people will always whine, especially when theres an opportunity to bitch about WoW.

The real irony is, the whiners just end up playing the game anyways and continue to whine.  It's the quiet ones that fade away that keeps Blizzard up at nights.

Originally posted by Recant

Imagine if Blizzard included beer and strippers with their expansion pack - real beer, and real strippers.  Haters would still post something like:

*Yawn*, beer.  I've drunken it before, it's nothing new.   And strippers?  I can watch porn on the internet anyway.   

No matter what Blizzard do, no matter how good the new expansion pack, there is no pleasing these people.  They are in a perpetual state of self-destructive vicious circle of awaiting new MMORPG releases only to have them vomit into their faces before falling into the gutter of MMORPG street, later to be run over by Horde riding Kodo mounts screaming at the top of the lungs "oh my god this is so much fun, I hear they're including beer and stripper in the next x-pack".

To sum up: people will always whine, especially when theres an opportunity to bitch about WoW.

Let's get one thing straight here.. I really do like strippers, and I mean in real life - real strippers are hot, and serve a valuable and respected spot in my own personal life (your's may vary, as it is my understanding we have damn good strippers here...)

only thing beer leads to? more beer...

It may be easy to discount my one, or a couple of other voices around this topic, but there is a huge population (especially here on MMORPG where people actually have played more than one MMO) of people that are outright DISGUSTED by the re-hash of WOW. The magic is gone from this game.. for me and for many others.. and once its gone, its gone.  I really did enjoy it for a long time, and for that I am happy. I would say I felt even more this way about EQ1, it was even more magical, dangerous, absurd etc... but, alas we all chase the dragon.

In honesty I am waiting for WAR... it is giving me that same feeling in the buildup.  AOC I have been on the fence about for a long time - might be fun, but nothing new for me there either. You may or may not like the inventiveness WAR is bringing to the table, but at least give them some credit for taking a step forward, for delaying a game for polish, for trying to make PVP actually mean something. 

@coffee - who knows, maybe I will try it out, though i am doubtful, TBC left such a bad taste in my mouth, and if all is well I will be chasing the dragon in the next great MMO.

See the same posts time after time and i just chuckle! WOW is WOW, WAR is WAR, AoC is AoC, EVE is EVE and so on....they do not change the basic premise of the game and especially not while it is still making shed loads of cash.

It is all well and good to whinge and whine about the new contant and patter on about how there is nothing new, it is a re-hash or it is an idea stolen from somewhere else, but what exactly do you want or expect?? What do you want to see in the game that fits into the current framework without turning it into a game it is not???

I play WOW for the game it is, i enjoy it that way but if you don't enjoy it just don't play it, it is pretty simple! The only time that Blizzard will make any major changes to the existing format is when they are losing players hand over fist and as that is not the case, what more do you expect?

Well it is only May. Blizzard may not have revealed everything.  I believe that is kind of their style, so I think there is more than meets the eye for the next incoming expansion.

If it really is as bland of an expansion as some people think it is, then they must be allocating their resources elsewhere....World of Warcraft II anyone?

Originally posted by demo3210

Well it is only May. Blizzard may not have revealed everything.  I believe that is kind of their style, so I think there is more than meets the eye for the next incoming expansion.

If it really is as bland of an expansion as some people think it is, then they must be allocating their resources elsewhere....World of Warcraft II anyone?

 

 

I think they simply rehash content because it is easier and more importently it saves them time and money. As you can see people still mindlessly buy their expansions and games even if they just keep rehashing over and over again, so they will keep doing it as long as people keep buying it.

It is not surprising really that they do this, when they get away with stealing peoples I.Ps and Ideas since the dawn of their company. Along with having a huge rabid fanbase that will buy any thing with Blizzard attached to it. I think when a company does not need to be very creative and try hard to stay afloat then that stiffles creativity which is probably why they rehash content so much and steal other peoples ideas so much.

I think there is an interview as well from one of the previous Blizzard lead developers that basically says the same thing that the company has got to a point where they just can not innovate they just play it safe.

Originally posted by Scriar

I don't think anyone really expects Blizzard to add any thing that makes you go WoW(pun intended). Just like Burning crusade it will be another expansion that is more of the same with a few features that are new to get people to play the game.

By more of the same you mean like a new profession, 2 new races, 11 new zones, 3 new capital cities, 21 new instances, new quests and quest rewards for all the zones and instances, new mounts, new skills and talents for all classes?   And by new features you mean Flying Mounts, Heroic Instances, Daily Quests, Arenas, Looking for Group improvements, Socketable Items and Gems, Meeting Stone summoning etc.  Yeah, I'm really shocked Blizzard had the nerve to even call that an expansion.

Most likely the Death knight class will be overpowered it makes sense because they want you to buy the expansion, so having a new over powered class would be a good incentive for a lot of people to buy it.

Of course because simply adding a brand new class with a brand new combat mechanism alone wouldn't be nearly enough for people to want to buy it.  Only by tricking it up and making it overpowered would anyone want to play.

I would buy the expansion if they done something like added a new way of leveling, or remade all of the old zones like they did dustwallow marsh, or even remake azeroth so flying mounts can be used. It just does not look like they are adding enough to justify a 30 pound price tag especially when they make 1 billion dollars a year in profits off of WoW alone from its subscriptions.

You mean like if they like took an instance from Azeroth, like say Naxx and retuned it so that it would be worthwhile for people to go back and revisit it?  Yeah, that would be great, why don't you do that Blizzard ;)

Other, less profitable mmo companies like for instance Turbine release expansion size updates for free every 3 months, I believe CCP does the same every 6 months.

This has already been debunked here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1930057#1930057

If they can do that in 3/6 months why does it take 2 years almost to copy and paste all of the old content and change its colour, and text for quests which is what that preview sounds like.

Blizzard has added just as much if not more in it's free updates as any of it's competitors.  If you disagree, then please state your case rather than stating it like it's a forgone conclusion which it most certainly is not.  You've haven't backed up a thing you have said with any facts.  None.  Please supply at least some shread of evidence to support any of your claims.

If new zones, a new class, new dungeons and new game play modes is rehashed content, then what isn't rehashed...an entirely new game?   What lazy bastards...they should recreate WOW from the ground up every 6 months=)

WotLK will be a blast for Wow players.

The new zones are apperently double the size of TBC's.

Ridable siege engines (kind of tanks/artillery vehicules) in (again) an open ended world you can fly over in complete freedom without ANY loading screens.

Constructable/destructable buildings and a complete open Zone PvP with different objectives.

A big BG that will feauture a siege system.

PLUS a lot of new dungeons, heroic dungeons, all raids will be 10 OR 25 people, a new profession and the first of a new hero class that can command whole undeath squads coming to his aid. Each class will have a few dozen new talents to build on and choose from.

Just came back from a BG with my old guildies tonight.. Had a blast  like the old times again. What a game !

Arena made the class balances not perfect, BUT you can feel the microscopic analysis the Arena system gives to its developpers.

Warcraft at least is a game where it's FUN to play and which is so much more polished than these other MMO amateurs.

The 6 months old Patch 2.3 was a blessing in polishing the end game and it just continues....

Those who left Wow just after TBC launch just don't know what they are missing these days.

Wow is the ONLY MMORPG these days in whuch YOU decide HOW you play the end game. No longer the developper or a dictator guild leader will be able to frustrate you again !

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Scriar

I don't think anyone really expects Blizzard to add any thing that makes you go WoW(pun intended). Just like Burning crusade it will be another expansion that is more of the same with a few features that are new to get people to play the game.

By more of the same you mean like a new profession, 2 new races, 11 new zones, 3 new capital cities, 21 new instances, new quests and quest rewards for all the zones and instances, new mounts, new skills and talents for all classes?   And by new features you mean Flying Mounts, Heroic Instances, Daily Quests, Arenas, Looking for Group improvements, Socketable Items and Gems, Meeting Stone summoning etc.  Yeah, I'm really shocked Blizzard had the nerve to even call that an expansion.

I am talking about WOTLK not the burning crusade which added a lot that was new, that I did not have a problem paying for which no point have I said I had a problem paying for that particular expansion, which btw rehashed a lot of textures and models from vanilla WoW as well.

WOTLK however is adding barely anything worth paying for, they have 1 new proffestion, they have 10-11 new zones which by their own admittence will be very similar to previous zones they are using the same textures, they are using the same recoloured armour models, they have already said they plan to make the differnce in armour be the colour and nothing else. And so on, seriously people must be blind if they do not see this.

Most likely the Death knight class will be overpowered it makes sense because they want you to buy the expansion, so having a new over powered class would be a good incentive for a lot of people to buy it.

Of course because simply adding a brand new class with a brand new combat mechanism alone wouldn't be nearly enough for people to want to buy it.  Only by tricking it up and making it overpowered would anyone want to play.

Blizzard will make the death knights over powered, because like the burning crusade they want you to buy the expansion. It is a business decision they purposely make it so that those that want to progress need to buy the exansion. I bet you some of the encounters in the very first instances will be designed around having a death knight in your group. Blizzard allways do this with their games, and so do other mmos. It is a safe bet to think they will do the same with this expansion.

Besides that point, it is Blizzard they have not exactly done the best of job with class balance, it is also safe to bet even if it is not intentional that they will make death knights overpowered since it is an entirely new class to balance into the game.

I would buy the expansion if they done something like added a new way of leveling, or remade all of the old zones like they did dustwallow marsh, or even remake azeroth so flying mounts can be used. It just does not look like they are adding enough to justify a 30 pound price tag especially when they make 1 billion dollars a year in profits off of WoW alone from its subscriptions.

You mean like if they like took an instance from Azeroth, like say Naxx and retuned it so that it would be worthwhile for people to go back and revisit it?  Yeah, that would be great, why don't you do that Blizzard ;)

No I mean if they go to the leveling content and make it better for leveling like they did with dustwallow. I think what they are doing with Nax is cool, the same with the new 25 and 10 man option on raids. The burning crusade leveling was great and the new starting areas are great for leveling, the quests are much better layed out, easier to find and better itemised. What would be nice is if they did that for all the old content.

Other, less profitable mmo companies like for instance Turbine release expansion size updates for free every 3 months, I believe CCP does the same every 6 months.

This has already been debunked here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1930057#1930057

Lordo f the rings online has been out for less than a year and almost has as much content as WoW which has been out for almost 4 years. The team at Turbine is SMALLER, there content is always different from what I have seen. And no I do not play the game any more, but I can see that they constantly add something for free that is completly different from the last patch.

CCP over hauled their entire game for FREE, are you honestly going to tell me that compares to Blizzard copy and pasting old content, sticking a new colour scheme on it, along with adding content they had in beta that was not ready so they delayed it to release or got rid of it completly.

Daily quests, and new instances are the same thing over and over again. You can not possibly sit there and tell me or anyone else that turning the quest to repeatable, is really so much hard work? all the quests are kill X of Y they probably took the programmers 5 minutes to code. And the artists as long as it took to recolour old items/models.

If they can do that in 3/6 months why does it take 2 years almost to copy and paste all of the old content and change its colour, and text for quests which is what that preview sounds like.

Blizzard has added just as much if not more in it's free updates as any of it's competitors.  If you disagree, then please state your case rather than stating it like it's a forgone conclusion which it most certainly is not.  You've haven't backed up a thing you have said with any facts.  None.  Please supply at least some shread of evidence to support any of your claims.

You have not backed up anything you say with facts quite frankly. And I do not need to state it, anyone that has played this game since launch can see they copy and paste alot of the content over and over again. And while they may add more rehashed content then anyone else, they have added barely anything to the game that is really that new, or has not been done before in some form in game.

You listed dailys as something new, they are normal quests with repeat turned on, and yes there is a repeat option you can do on private servers which are the same as the normal ones, a lot of the quests are repeatable. As I said earlier instances get a lot of rehashed content added to it, like for instance the textures which are the same all the time. For every new mob they add to the expansion theres atleast 10 that have been in the old content. I can understand this to a point, but it still gets boring after awhile to always see such familiar content.

They have said already that in North rend you will see a lot of previous mobs from the game, as well as these new mobs that apart from the viking type characters and the walrus things look like recoloured mobs from vanilla WoW.

 I don't get why people keep defending Blizzard so much. They steal other peoples ideas, they rehash content non stop, they make more money than any other company out there but the game never seems to benifit from that. Just look at all the free to play games that look EXACTLY like WoW. It is almost 4 years since this game came out, and we have had what?

1 new battleground, 1 new arena systems with lots of very small bland maps, countless instances that look far to familiar, 1 new race that looks like a recolored night elf, the dranai are the only really new race in the expansion, 2 new starting areas that whislt great it is a shame that they did not atleast redo some of the old contents itemisation to bring it line with the rest of the game.

They have also adding 6 or so world PvP objectives that were badly thought out and apart from Halaa never get used