I just d/l the Vanguard video from the forum post "You have GOT to see this tester made video".

Well thank god i did..

The game looks fine..and when i say fine i mean fine!Nothing else..

Soooooo my comments on the video are..

You have stolen alot of things from DAOC..The graffics are good but very static..they are not "warm" instead they are ..hmmm.... "cold 3D" .

The movement and attacks from the Players and NPC's  look not to real but "robotic".If you want to see real movement see some videos from WoW or AOC or WAR..etc

The Terrain from the video seems very empty..Huge castles and towns are good but they still look "cold" towards the player..

I give to the video 4/10 and ihmo Vanguard  needs ALOT of work..Tho i dont think it will make it as game versus AoC,WoW,WAR and you know why?....

Because these games dont look Robotic and their enviroment ROCKS!It looks real even if it is Comic based or not (AoC) and the movement of the Chars/NPC's is also real as hell..

Cheers!

I think you've been drinking too much Tang.

You are comparing 4 games, that you probably never played based off of 1 video?

i play wow since day 1..but thats another thing..

Go to AoC or WAR or WOW and d/l a random gameplay video and come again when you have a clue..

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Originally posted by spirus7

i play wow since day 1..but thats another thing..

Go to AoC or WAR or WOW and d/l a random gameplay video and come again when you have a clue..

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DUDE! If you WoW is the only thing you have played you shouldent talk about this, I think Vanguard looks quite good, and graphics isnt all in a mmo, remember that wow retard. stop compering everything with wow!!!!!!

I hate to say this but, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!

Yeah I like what I see, too. I've played Daoc and wow, and in my oppinion daoc graphics were more real than wow's. From what I can see I'd compare the graphics to Oblivion.

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Originally posted by Trubaduren

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Originally posted by spirus7

i play wow since day 1..but thats another thing..

Go to AoC or WAR or WOW and d/l a random gameplay video and come again when you have a clue..

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DUDE! If you WoW is the only thing you have played you shouldent talk about this, I think Vanguard looks quite good, and graphics isnt all in a mmo, remember that wow retard. stop compering everything with wow!!!!!!

I hate to say this but, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!

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I agree.  I could tell by your first post you were a WoW fanatic with little or no experience in intense MMORPG.  If you enjoy the light-hearted vibe of WoW stick with it.  The graphics of WoW kick ass because of the simplicity of the game itself.  Vanguard would more than likely be too complex for you if WoW is your choice, However, I think if you enjoy MMORPGs Vanguard would be a great eye-opener for you and you would see all the missing content in games such as WoW and WAR.   Leave the G rated and step into the big leagues;)  I promise you'll never go back.

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Originally posted by spirus7

i play wow since day 1..but thats another thing..

Go to AoC or WAR or WOW and d/l a random gameplay video and come again when you have a clue..

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 Assumeing WoW was the MMO to take you MMOviginity. It makes sense. Most people have a special bond to the person place or thing they consider their "first" So I will not refer to you as the comlete idiot, just more of a lack of experience.

 Vanguard is in beta, with a few months to go, populating the world, and such is something being done during beta, before they stress test the servers. Every game does this.

 Most of the video you see for AoC, and WAR are animated videos, you may compare them to anime, you may not compare them to actualy in game footage.

When you compare WoW to vanguard, it like compareing a cartoon to a movie. In vanguard you have realalistic colorings, and WoW you have all the colors out of a 64 piece crayon box.

When your ready to get your cherry busted in a real game, come over to the vanguard side, when you log in, you will be "oh crap! WoW was gay!"

 You can't ever compared a so called finished product to a short beta testing video, now I know why developers never show any of this stuff until the game is ready, by feeding their futur customers little tid bits of the game, they also feed the butt munches that started playing MMO's last year and think they can design a better one already.

 If you so damn educated towards what it takes to build a worth while MMO get off your butt, and start writing. You probablly don't even know where to start. That's almost like telling a mecixan how to speak spanish.

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Originally posted by lordtwisted

When you compare WoW to vanguard, it like compareing a cartoon to a movie. In vanguard you have realalistic colorings, and WoW you have all the colors out of a 64 piece crayon box.

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By your definition Van Gogh is a crappy painter compared to Thomas Arvid.

The fact is that one game is stylized and impressionistic and one is more realistic. I happen to like both. But your preference for one does not make the other a "crayon box."

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Originally posted by Amathe

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Originally posted by lordtwisted

When you compare WoW to vanguard, it like compareing a cartoon to a movie. In vanguard you have realalistic colorings, and WoW you have all the colors out of a 64 piece crayon box.

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By your definition Van Gogh is a crappy painter compared to Thomas Arvid.

The fact is that one game is stylized and impressionistic and one is more realistic. I happen to like both. But your preference for one does not make the other a "crayon box."

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Thomas who?

 It is in a persons preference I agree. Which is what I stated earlier. I would love to get a govermant grant to study one persons idea of atractive compared to another. Some people prefer blondes, some brunettes, but then you have the breast man. Nobody can tell you what you like, but you.

   If Vanguards graphics are not up your ally, then hopefully the game play will make up for it. If not, then WoW will still be there right?

well i hate to disapoint you but i am not a wow fanatic...im just playing wow atm!I started for many years with AO then daoc and so on..i played many games since now..And i think i can tell my opinion for a MUST SEE video..and like i said before this video is not a must see..there will be much better games than Vanguard in my opinion..And i made a comment for the game like it or not soooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Do not put WOW tags in everyone..And as much im bored of wow the games rocks and vanguard will be a piece of ****** compare to wow!

...there will be much better games than wow to...

SOOOooOo

/cry more ?

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Originally posted by spirus7

well i hate to disapoint you but i am not a wow fanatic...im just playing wow atm!I started for many years with AO then daoc and so on..i played many games since now..And i think i can tell my opinion for a MUST SEE video..and like i said before this video is not a must see..there will be much better games than Vanguard in my opinion..And i made a comment for the game like it or not soooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Do not put WOW tags in everyone..And as much im bored of wow the games rocks and vanguard will be a piece of ****** compare to wow!

...there will be much better games than wow to...

SOOOooOo

/cry more ?

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give me one WoW idea that defeats Vanguards proposed ideas....

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Originally posted by lordtwisted
give me one WoW idea that defeats Vanguards proposed ideas....

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You ask for it. 

Instancing.

They throw the baby down the bathtube as they would say.  Instancing is not perfect, but see, let's take examples which I am more familiar than WoW.  DDO, the instancing is crushing the MMO-aspect, it is just a little too instanced.  CoV, just perfect, can't ask for better use of instancing.

Cooperation must come ahead of competition, which is exactly what a good amount of instancing allow.  Fighting over limited ressources, this harm cooperation (especially in PvE)...yet, we will see, on this precise aspect, I am willing to give Vanguard the benefit of the doubt, we will see how it work, but the bar is very high, a game such as CoV make good use of instancing, without abusing it...and it set the mark, if non-instancing can't equal it, then it will be inferior...let's see if on this precise aspect they can deliver...

Now, I don't say WoW is better than Vanguard, I can't, I don't know WoW enough...and I honestly despite WoW from day 1, I was raging as I was playing, so I left WoW on day 1.  I can't talk fairly about WoW, however, on the instancing aspect, they are definitely ahead of Vanguard.  But 1 idea doesn't make or break the game...usually.

The OP has a point. And I feel the same way.

Technically the graphics of Vangaurd have a sound foundation, got a all the modern effects and it has seamless terrain. The system requirements are very high atm, but it can be fixed, and I hope it will.

The graphics are static and cold. Like most other "real" mmo's like people like to call them. Eq, Eq2, Vanguard are just a few of them. All follow the same style of art. The "just some generic semi realistic fantasy art" style. When I keep looking at games like W.A.R and AoC, I see artist working on the game. While looking at Eq and Vanguard I see some nerdy guys sitting in a dark room, with thousands of lines of codes and numbers running down on a screen before them. I don't "feel" anything in the art, I'm not able to "touch" it. It feels like numbers. There doesn't seem to be a greater goal with the art. It doesn't try to be cartoony, it doesn't try to be realistic, it doesn't display a dark and gritty world, it doesn't display a fun and happy world, it's just brown and grey.

Under the problem above you can put animations, design, and most of the art in Vanguard. The landscapes are nice, but they suffer because they are so big. Big = more empty. Large parts of the terrain looks generated. Endless landscapes with trees and rocks placed in a random order. Again the "number feel" retuns. But the terrain does have many positive apects. Mainly the seamlessness. If something with the art in Vanguard is done good, it's the landscapes.


And what is up with the Vanguard community and Wow. On the forums, ingame and on fansites. Each time someone says something bad about Vanguard, or someone says that something was done good in Wow, he get's the "return to Wow you worthless piece of sh*t!" or "go play Wow you f**king 12 year old retard!" or just "http://www.worldofwarcraft.com". The Vanguard community is hands down the worst community in this aspect. Grow up people. Wow has some very good sides, you might not like it, but others do, without being 12 year old retards.

i HOPE AND WISH THE GAME IS SIMIALER to eq2, as by far that is thwe gr8est fantasy moo out now, ever, EVER.

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Originally posted by Anofalye

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Originally posted by lordtwisted
give me one WoW idea that defeats Vanguards proposed ideas....

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You ask for it. 

Instancing.

They throw the baby down the bathtube as they would say.  Instancing is not perfect, but see, let's take examples which I am more familiar than WoW.  DDO, the instancing is crushing the MMO-aspect, it is just a little too instanced.  CoV, just perfect, can't ask for better use of instancing.

Cooperation must come ahead of competition, which is exactly what a good amount of instancing allow.  Fighting over limited ressources, this harm cooperation (especially in PvE)...yet, we will see, on this precise aspect, I am willing to give Vanguard the benefit of the doubt, we will see how it work, but the bar is very high, a game such as CoV make good use of instancing, without abusing it...and it set the mark, if non-instancing can't equal it, then it will be inferior...let's see if on this precise aspect they can deliver...

Now, I don't say WoW is better than Vanguard, I can't, I don't know WoW enough...and I honestly despite WoW from day 1, I was raging as I was playing, so I left WoW on day 1.  I can't talk fairly about WoW, however, on the instancing aspect, they are definitely ahead of Vanguard.  But 1 idea doesn't make or break the game...usually.

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 Instanceing was not a WoW break through, it was around before WoW, and I disagree with Instances, DDO over abuses it. But I agree a game like CoV, which yes, I have played, and it has no community, so instanceing actually worked for it.

 A lot of games used zones which is where instanceing derived from, some developer one day said, he lets make smaller zones!  If vanguard can run with no zones, I will give them extra credit.

 Vanguard will have no instances, just like M59 <used zones>, UO, EQ <used zones, not instances> 

Good post Phoenixs. It's mildly amusing that these rabid Vanguard fanbois would jump down people's throat for even hinting of even mild criticism at their pet game Vanguard. While Vanguard maybe a good game, it is not perfect and everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion. This reminds me of the Ori religious fanatics from Stargate SG-1, either join them or be destroyed.

My biggest problem, is the more I talk about this game, the more I want to play it. So I think I am going to stop "Trolling" these boards, and start getting some real work done around here so I have time to play when my beta invite comes!

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Originally posted by Phoenixs

And what is up with the Vanguard community and Wow. On the forums, ingame and on fansites. Each time someone says something bad about Vanguard, or someone says that something was done good in Wow, he get's the "return to Wow you worthless piece of sh*t!" or "go play Wow you f**king 12 year old retard!" or just "http://www.worldofwarcraft.com". The Vanguard community is hands down the worst community in this aspect. Grow up people. Wow has some very good sides, you might not like it, but others do, without being 12 year old retards.

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 I hope that wasn't refering to me...

 My only complaint about WoW was that it was too easy.

 My only problem here, is when people compare Vanguard to WoW.  The games are about as far apart as you can put MMORPG's.

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Originally posted by Anofalye

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Originally posted by lordtwisted
give me one WoW idea that defeats Vanguards proposed ideas....

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You ask for it. 

Instancing.

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Instancing sucks donkey because it takes away from community by putting people into little cubicles instead of having to get a long with each other.

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Originally posted by Phoenixs

The graphics are static and cold. Like most other "real" mmo's like people like to call them. Eq, Eq2, Vanguard are just a few of them. All follow the same style of art. The "just some generic semi realistic fantasy art" style. When I keep looking at games like W.A.R and AoC, I see artist working on the game. While looking at Eq and Vanguard I see some nerdy guys sitting in a dark room, with thousands of lines of codes and numbers running down on a screen before them. I don't "feel" anything in the art, I'm not able to "touch" it. It feels like numbers. There doesn't seem to be a greater goal with the art. It doesn't try to be cartoony, it doesn't try to be realistic, it doesn't display a dark and gritty world, it doesn't display a fun and happy world, it's just brown and grey.

Under the problem above you can put animations, design, and most of the art in Vanguard. The landscapes are nice, but they suffer because they are so big. Big = more empty. Large parts of the terrain looks generated. Endless landscapes with trees and rocks placed in a random order. Again the "number feel" retuns. But the terrain does have many positive apects. Mainly the seamlessness. If something with the art in Vanguard is done good, it's the landscapes.


And what is up with the Vanguard community and Wow. On the forums, ingame and on fansites. Each time someone says something bad about Vanguard, or someone says that something was done good in Wow, he get's the "return to Wow you worthless piece of sh*t!" or "go play Wow you f**king 12 year old retard!" or just "http://www.worldofwarcraft.com". The Vanguard community is hands down the worst community in this aspect. Grow up people. Wow has some very good sides, you might not like it, but others do, without being 12 year old retards.

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Go back to WoW you ******* *******!

Sorry, kidding of course, couldn't resist. All communities have bad and good apples. Detractors of Vanguard will say that Vanguard fans are childish because they are biased, as WoW detractors will say WoW fans are immature. WoW does have some really bad apples, but all games do. I agree with you phoenixs, time that the Vanguard community put its money where its mouth is and start acting like the adults we claim to be. It's just hard when someone says something so far from the truth and tries to generalize to make the game you like look bad.

You did say the graphics in Vanguard look "...static and cold.". I happen to look at them and find them incredibly vibrant and lush. It's all in your perspective and what you like, I guess. I think WoW, while visually pleasing, is a step backwards in terms of graphics. Other people think it's the best thing since sliced ham. We are individuals and we have a right to our opinions. But when you come into a games own forum and start pissing all over it you would have to be either daft or insane to think you won't get some backlash.

I'm glad that you at least have, if not objectivity, at least a sense of decency. Cheers.