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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Forum » General Discussion raquo; The "online communities"
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
I went to the Vanguard official forums, I propose an idea about non-raiding servers. For the second time in a year or two. Someone else also did. And the reaction on the forums there could be generalised as: "NOOOOOO!!!! Don't do that!!!! NO!!!!!" And they try to convince me that I am wrong, that I have to accept the game as it is, that if I don't like it I should just leave. Funny, since personnally, if I see an idea that displease me but don't affect me, I usually don't bother answering, unless I find something nice in it, in which case I will encourage it but may precise I will play on another server/setting myself. The peoples on the forums at Vanguard official website as sooooo screwed, anyone listening to them could easily become a case for therapy! LOL. See, if I go on the Saga of Ryzom communities and want a pink server where everything is pink, I doubt that I would have many peoples crying or trying to convince me to stop, even if they themselves don't see the point to a pink server and will never join it. They might even throw a comment about pink been a nice color or something. But these minorities at Vanguard website, they are screaming, crying, like if you would remove them something...how adding a different server would remove anyone something? An easy server that you can finish in 1 night is something that would add to the game, even if I would never play it myself, I guess some journalists would to understand the game fast. It wouldn't add much, but it would add nonetheless. Now, a non-raiding server would be the most popular server setting in the game and would draw in more players to the game...and these guys are screaming NOOOOO!, they are insulting, they are menacing (to train and trash peoples), they are bitching, they are... Vanguard officials forums are inhabited by the worst type of persons, thinking of themselves and their agendas and fighting everything that isn't related to it...a foreign server getting such negative answers? I don't want to play with these players to start with, been on a different server is definitely a first step in the right direction! - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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anarchyart
 Novice Member
Joined: 8/12/04
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink: that's the best they'll feel all day." |
9/28/06 3:50:36 PM#2
Not all people on the official forums are jerks, not even a high percentage. It's just like here, Ano. You probably think you're just another great guy, but to me, you have developed into quite the troll. It's all about perspective. I have to put up with you here and you have to put up with them there, see how it works? I would die for your right to spew your trolling posts all day long (freedom of speech), but they are still trolling posts to me. This game, it seems, is truly not for you. I also suggest you find a game you will like, in the nicest way possible. 
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dragonace
 Novice Member
Joined: 4/18/06
"This is the Master-Ring, the One Ring to rule them all." |
9/28/06 5:05:47 PM#3
The number of people that visit a forum also makes a difference. Go and post some idea. ANY idea, over on the WOW forums and you will see what I mean.
The bigger the forum is - the higher number of active "loonies". The official Vanguard forums definitely has their fair share. But, to be fair; that is not representative of the majority. There are a lot of very nice people there too, it just so happens that they post less often.  Which, brings up the point why an official forum going away upon release is a GOOD idea. In case you didn't know, that is the case with Vanguard's official forums. Once Vanguard releases, the official forums are gone. You will need to visit affiliate site's forums or a forum like this one here at MMORPG to continue to post and read about the game. |
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9/28/06 5:20:16 PM#4
Originally posted by Anofalye i read and replied to the topic you made on the official forums, there were indeed some moronic trollish responses to your post as well as some good and well thought out ones. and here you are generalizing all vanguard players because of a few trolls that frequent that site...do you not realize how many people go to that forum? do you honestly think that the REAL in game vanguard community will be full of those few trolls? i also find it ironic that you accuse them of "thinking of themselves" when thats literally all you do in every post you make. "Vanguard officials forums are inhabited by the worst type of persons, thinking of themselves and their agendas and fighting everything that isn't related to it..." you just described yourself there Anofalye, every post you make is always about "raiding vs grouping" all you do is think about "your agenda" and fight anything els that isn't related to it. irony at its finest. edit: sorry for the confusing quote, these forums are a POS and for some reason wont quote the things i want it to. |
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9/28/06 5:22:59 PM#5
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anarchyart
Novice Member
Joined: 8/12/04
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink: that's the best they'll feel all day." |
9/28/06 6:21:57 PM#6
Funny how perception can be. I think Vanguard has the best community of any game so far, as is on their official forums that is. Some people would try and say that about WoW. Out of the two I think picking the Vanguard community is a safe bet.
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9/28/06 8:24:07 PM#7
Originally posted by anarchyart well i think there are alot of trolls on the vanguard official forums that make it seem alot worse than it is, but i do think once vanguard goes live the real in game community will be awsome. the mechanics that vanguard will have set forth will all but insure a great community, given the fact that player interdependence is strongly enforced. and that is one of the main reasons wow's community is so bad IMO....you don't need anyone to progress in that game, you can be a total jackass and it makes no difference.....kind of like the official vanguard forum before it is launched |
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9/28/06 8:31:30 PM#8
Are you unaware as to how forum communities work? When you go to an official forum for an MMO you get the good and the bad. If you've been a member of any forum for any length of time you should know this. I was until a month ago a moderator of the official ArchLord forums for six months, so I can tell you without a doubt and clearly see that there's a mixture. It's just not all black or all white - there's black and white and shades of gray.  |
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9/28/06 9:38:58 PM#9
I will agree with you on that in principle but many of the ones who post are--while I wouldn't say jerks-- harsh (and maybe a tad bit overpossessive =P ). I honestly don't post much in forums. I mostly like reading about the game and might occasionally make a comment, throw out an idea, or give feedback if it was asked for. I'll say this for the forums over there, I do have a few questions about the game (For example, interaction of diplomacy with adventuring spheres, et al.) that I'm just going to wait for release to get answered because its not worth all of the poo that will be flung in my direction. There are some great people over there, but the anal ones who recieve the vindication of their life from following this game are the ones who usually post:) There are some great posts over there though and the GMs appear to be great people. I do look forward to playing and am getting more and more excited about it. The people whose views and thoughts over there that I don't agree with won't be a big deal at release so no biggie! One more note, the number of "Brad better do this my way," and "Do this right Brad or else" threads over there do make me laugh a bit (no i don't laugh out loud but I do smile ). The ultimatims as if its a hostage situation...Its funny. Edit: de bolded it:) |
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9/28/06 10:57:30 PM#10
I like how you came here as if you were going to find asylum Anofalye. Heh. Your idea is pretty lame...remove or convert a significant portion of the game because you dont like doing it. Even though others raiding has little effect on you.. Why not just look for an mmo that has no raiding to begin with, instead of crying for your own server, for you and the small minority that will join you. ------------------------------ |
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9/29/06 2:24:05 AM#11
Did you also went in a rock comunity and asked if they would agree to have a version of Metallica "Master of Puppets" without guitars but with piano and a church chorus instead? Of course they won't be happy even if they don't have to buy the "sissy" CD, even making one would compromise the identity of Metallica. The truth is that there is lot of choice out there, and there is a game for everyone. You insist in picking on Vanguard, which is far away from your ideal game and for some insane reason which is only known to you, you insist on pick on Vanguard, Sigil and the community because you want to transform Vanguard in the game of your dreams. It is never gonna happen, don't you get it? You cannot transform a 4x4 in a Ferrari, the same way you cannot transform Vanguard into whatever nancy game you want to turn it. You said I always insult you, but the truth is that you really asking for it. Having a debate is fine, but posting continuosly flame baits like you do it's not cool. Trying to convince Rock fans to like Pop music, is wrong don't you get it? How about respecting everybody preferences and leave to each one it s game. You are on a crusade to discredit and insult Sigil, Vanguard and the entire Comunity. Problem is that it ain't working because you are not smart enought to get your message through, and you will be labelled as a troll for the rest of your days. Anofalye, I don't know how to spell it to you anymore: G O A N D F I N D A G A M E T H A T I S S U I T E D T O Y O U F F S How fucking simple is that? Please stop this non sense before people start really picking on you.
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9/29/06 6:49:09 AM#12
Well, I don't agree with the idea of OP, but theres no need to harshly shoot his idea down.
The point of forums is to discuss ideas, so he has an idea, he posts it, it gets feedback and the amount and direction of the feedback gives the devs an idea how popular it will be. The problem is that the most active posters (probably including me) often suffer horribly from one sided self serving opinions with no intent on reforming them no matter how stupid thier original stance was! PS: Personally directeted comments like "Anofalye, I don't know how to spell it to you anymore: G O A N D F I N D A G A M E T H A T I S S U I T E D T O Y O U F F S" are pointless and add nothing what so ever to any discussion (and yes I do know the irony of singling him out to say don't single people out  )
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9/29/06 10:26:35 AM#13
If we were talking of a normal person I would agree with you, but we are talking about Anofalye here. So it is fine for him to call the entire Vanguard comunity "screwed" and in need of a shrink, but I can't suggest him the only viable solution to all his problems? It is fine keep calling Sigil developers incompetent and clueless because they dare to put Raids in their game. It is fine to say that raiders don't deserve to play any game because he thinks that raids suxx? Yes, before he had this brilliant idea, he suggested that Vanguard should scrap all the raid content, and although has been explained to him millions of times that that wasn't viable, he keept posting offensive post against Sigil, Vanguard and everybody else who supported raid, like a little kid who didn't get the toy he wanted. All his objections and ideas are respectable as long are discussed in General forum as I suggested to him several times. Vanguard is not the only game with raids, but he just posts in this forum and he ain't nice and pleasant either. Shall we give him a prize, and reward him for his erratic behaviour? 
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
Raiding by granting rewards NOTHING ELSE grants (20% of the best rewards) is enforced and extremely harsh on any non-raider that DREAM about "achieving" and reaching the upper most level. I guess Baph has a point, although only partially. I don't fully agree with you, but, I do understand a part of it. Still, it was a post about NON-RAIDING server, not about praising the regular raiding server and trashing everyone having other idea, as have been displayed by many. I compare to other forums and other communities. If I ask for a PINK server in a game forum such as Saga of Ryzom, I won't be trashed, threaten, told to STFU, to leave, to go....peoples will find no need to defend the regular server that aren't pink. Peoples will just either agree, or been constructive about it. Not trashing it, yet the Vanguard community is indeed a lot lower than the SoR community it would seem. These guys, would they react the same if someone would propose a PvP server with differents rules? I mean, they are kinda lowly. - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
The first rule in life is to ask from others what you offer or try to offer. I don't even see you trying to been pleasant, even less nice. - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
What is wrong in me keeping telling so? In order to "help" them improve and make a better game! Your example about Metallica is weird, why would someone care if someone ask them to play classic music? I don't see why someone would ask them to...but I don't see why anyone could be angry. See, Blind Guardian is my favorite group, I dislike Jazz, if folks ask that they make Jazz and that they would be an awesome Jazz group, I would certainly only applaud if I see interest from the group, even if I would never buy it myself...well...maybe I would give Jazz a try if it was done by Blind Guardians, these guys are soo good. Anyway, your example is just plain weird and silly, if other peoples are "asking" for "weird" stuff, sure. I never cry when they made DRAGONSHARD, a RTS. Damn, that is quite a travesty to the D&D legacy, yet, I just applaude. Good for them. It seem a rather nice and fun game, it is just not for me and everyone is pretty clear about Dragonshard been a RTS, so I wish them good luck and don't bother. Now, because we are talking about non-raiding server peoples cry...this look like a "welfare reaction". - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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9/29/06 3:15:53 PM#17
i never shot down his ideas, i actually support his idea for a non raiding server its just annoying to read all his posts about this topic and to see him derail so many vanguard topics with this same tired argument.....it got old like 2k posts ago LOL |
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9/29/06 3:15:57 PM#18
Anofayle, I'm going to put this as simple as I can. You came here and told us the Vanguard official forums community are mean, and hurt your feelings. If you think about it, how many people are here on the VANGUARD MMORPG forums, that are not on the Vanguard offical forums? Second, you came here and labeled a community of well over 130,000 people based on the few replies you go to your idea. That's like saying all WoW players are retarded, just because of the few that stop in here to flame Vanguard. Third, you are asking the developers of a game, that are hopeing they are almost ready to release, to re-write a good portion of their game......FOR YOU! Then you talk about what trolls we are because we disagree with what you are asking the developers to do. What you are asking of them does effect all of us. If they eliminated raiding, even just on one server, it would change the feeling on all servers. You are self serveing, which I am not going to bash you for, most of us are self serveing. Most people do only care about themselves, atleast themselves over an internet community. But you are stepping over a fine line by telling us how aweful we are that we don't support you in trying to destroy the value of a game we have all been waiting for. Just how it is. Yes I see tons of PvP talk, about rule sets and such, but these are rule sets that have not been placed yet. I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm going to say you are probablly wrong anyways, I think 20% of the elite items is engrossed. I would guess it's more like: 55% group, 10%solo, 10%raid, 10% diplomacy, 15% crafting So in your mind set, they should actually make a server with no, solo, raid, diplomacy, or crafting content. Good luck.... Not so nice guy! |
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9/29/06 3:20:44 PM#19
So if you become a blacksmith, and can't make potions will you be mad, and demand that the game be changed? When you make a ranger, and can't raise the dead, will you demand the game be changed? Not so nice guy! |
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9/29/06 3:24:38 PM#20
i agree there are alot of trolls on the vanguard forum, but i think it has alot to do with the sheer size of it. again i read and replied to that thread and there was alot of people trolling your thread as well as alot of people offering well thought out reasons why they disagree with you. i think you had a good idea what would happen when you posted that in the gameplay forum, that forum has always been like that and i have stopped going there because of it. but again i am very confident the actual vanguard in game community will not be like that (except for the pvp servers maybe) and my reasons for that i have posted many times before, let me know if you need me to reintegrate it for you. |
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