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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Forum » General Discussion raquo; Vanguard Doesn't Welcome PVP
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Stellos
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Joined: 9/15/06
If you're going to stick it out there, don't be afraid if you get it cut off. |
9/20/06 1:42:07 PM#61
Don't be so self-absorbed. You don't know that at this point. I recommend you participate in the vanguard forums on their main site, this has been discussed extensively. There is actually much hope for a solid PvP system, as the community is ready for an intense MMOG that offers all the key aspects. I have faith that it will be delivered in VSoH. |
LOL, participate in the vanguard forums at their main site? Uhh... no thanks. That forum is world famous for zerging any dissenting opinion as trollish and WOWish. There is only one "right" opinion on that board. Perhaps the most unfriendly community in the entire Interwebs for casualist players. Don't believe me? This was already discussed and proven in http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/86856 "Vanguard Forum Reaction to Criticism", see copy of post below: ====================================== I thought this thread is very typical of how the Vanguard community reacts to any genuine criticism of its hardcore game mechanics. The responses below are from the first 2 pages and constitute over 50% of the responses to the original post. scott2978 I had high hopes for Vanguard when I read a review online recently. Intricate crafting system, lots of diversity, great graphics. But then I came to the Vanguard website, and my hopes have become tarnished. No instanced zones? I thought Vanguard was supposed to be 3rd gen? I guess the designers of EQ haven't learned all the lessons. Corpse retrieval? Gear driven questing system? Hmm this is sure starting to sound like EQ to me... The things I hated about EQ were just these. I HATED retrieving my corpse. It was a gigantic time sink and annoying as hell and nothing more. I HATED gear and loot being the only reason I ever did anything in the game. Why is having a MISSION TO ACCOMPLISH not a quest drive that anyone making MMOs seems to realize? I HATED other players griefing and training and kill stealing. But no instanced dungeons in Vanguard huh? I'm sorry to say that Vanguard does not really sound like a 3rd gen MMO to me. It sounds like EQ2.5 If it turns out that way, don't expect me to play. I bet I'm not alone either.
==================================== Infernius Bye ====================================
Originally Posted by Cloudsong
So nice of you to let us know that you aren't going to be playing; I was seriously worried for a while there.
Can I have your stuff?
/sarcasm off
But his reasons make me glad he's not.
If you don't like corpse retrieving,fine,then go and play WoW. Hell,if you don't like Vanguard then leave us alone
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anarchyart
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Joined: 8/12/04
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink: that's the best they'll feel all day." |
9/20/06 1:59:32 PM#63
You really have to attempt to stop being so close minded. You think there aren't similar threads on EVERY games forums? Let the sunlight in, Mrs. Haversham. 
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9/20/06 2:06:42 PM#64
I don't see anything wrong there? The original poster went to the Vanguard website to say, I don't like the way your game is comming together. So I am not playing. What is the point in that? If the poster went there and said something like: I was just reading up on this game and saw that they intend corpse retrievel, and no instances? Is this true? I was hopeing Sigil would have learned from EQ and all of the other MMO's out there today that Instances can beifiet the players by avoiding spawn camping, and kill stealing. And corpse getting? Man I remember all the hours I lost trying to get my corpse from the bottom of Guk in EQ, all the equipment and exp lost trying to get down there naked to loot my corpse, it was awful, does sigil have a way around this? Might have got some questions answered, other posters may have taken the time to correct misconceptions, and or agree/disagree with the poster. But how do you honestly respond nicely to: Your game sucks, Sigil doesn't know what they are doing! I am not going to play this game it's aweful! You just can't respond to something like that with anything constructive. Did you expect condolences, or maybe a shoulder to cry on? I think Vanguard is going to be a "WoW Killer" To SOE's relief it will be on their access pass, because I think it is going to put a hurt on EQ/EQ2 among many other games. ALL HAIL VANGUARD! Not so nice guy! |
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Stellos
Novice Member
Joined: 9/15/06
If you're going to stick it out there, don't be afraid if you get it cut off. |
9/20/06 2:11:08 PM#65
Jonaku, what you must understand is VSoH is something many long-term MMOG lovers have their hope invested in. We, who played the orginal MMOGs see a lot of quality in this game that the era of WoW and others don't know anything about. When someone is negative on VSoH forums they are going to get it handed to them, not because we are impolite or rude, just because we REALLY want this game to be the answer for your MMOG dreams It is too early in the process of VSoH to be bashing it in the context that you are. Who knows you might end up being correct, but for the time being you dont' know any more than anyone else. Except for the fact your hatered towards Brad and Sigil makes me think you know everything that is going on there and maybe your just a disgruntled employee lol. Devote more attention to the games you feel are going to be big hits and less towards the ones you just want to bash and you'll find communities more welcoming. |
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Vesavius
 Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
9/20/06 2:54:24 PM#66
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9/20/06 4:21:01 PM#67
The entire MMO Genre dosen't really welcome PVP. I mean, until the Servers and games are designed around real time twitch reflexes, they will never welcome PVP. Slow, almost turnbased combat in MMO's in general is what leads them to "Not Welcome PVP"...It needs to be an after thought... I don't think were going to see a real PVP Based MMO until Lag is no longer a factor...and the combat style changes from MMO Style to Real Time action twitch... Games that are designed for PVP are the BF2's of the world, and console games.. |
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9/20/06 4:28:37 PM#68
yes, because PvP in wow is such a great thing. Find 39 friends, raid bwl/aq40/naxx for gear. have absolutely no ability at PvP and still destroy all who oppose because you run raids. Or, alternatively, create a new level 19 character, spend 1000g on gear and level 60 enchants, and once again with no skill whatsoever destroy all who oppose you. great PvP options in wow. |
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9/20/06 4:29:41 PM#69
yes jonaku, because the blantantly false criticism which you have for vangaurd is based in fact. you sire, win a darwin award.
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9/20/06 4:32:01 PM#70
At last I understand Jon's hate of this game lol. It's gonna destroy his WoW guild and he blames this game for it. I was wondering why he had such an axe to grind and now I know nah, he was reposting something he saw on the vagaurd forums, and tryin to make it sound like he knows something interesting. same with his 1000 level post. he makes it seem as if hes posting something Vanguard said, instead of a bad idea which had already been criticized on VG's own forum. My theory, just based on the volume and tone of his posts, is that he is a paid PR person. He s here to make VG look bad so that peope wont even try it. |
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9/20/06 6:03:31 PM#71
thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock. and this coming from a vanboi. Q. E. D. and yet your own logic is that vangaurd, even on the pvp server will be a pve centric game and to stick with wow? hate to tell ya this bud, but wow is a pve-centric game with bg's so the pve raiders can show off their nifty gear while bashing your head in. its NOT a PvP game. |
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9/20/06 8:02:51 PM#72
I don't know but i bet Vanguard will have great pvp options that will rival any pvp centric game. there is no need for you to say NO!! or YOU are WRong! b/c you have no proof, of course neither do I, but I'm just saying we should wait and see, as that is the ONLY way to find out. Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes |
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9/20/06 8:06:58 PM#73
Well since Lady D <one of the head CS> and Brad <CEO> are both very interested in PvP. I am sure they came up with some very reasonable PvP rule sets.
Not so nice guy! |
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
9/20/06 8:14:15 PM#74
I just wish they would understand that raiding has to be optional as well, as raiding is certainly killing grouping, it is insidious and long, however in the long run, it is my belief that PvE raiding kills grouping in a way that PvP can't. PvP can't crush the hope, you may STILL do it, maybe at 5 AM on Tuesday when everyone is asleep, still...can do it. Raiding leave no hope, no dream, no expectation... you are nothing without raiding, nobody will be grouping you or favorising you at group building, since you are a second rated grouper, because you don't raid...yet they will pick peoples who don't really devoted themselves to grouping...peoples that will abandon a group any moment a raiding option show itself, no matter if you have invested hours and are deep in a very strong grouping thing...grouping deserves commitment! But back on the original topic, have no fear, Brad understand that pretty well and PvP won't be screwing with PvE...if only he could understand about raiding... - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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9/20/06 8:23:36 PM#75
From what I understand this game will be focused on grouping. Their will be areas for Solo play, and there will be areas for raid parties. But the majority of the content will be groups. So as a guess I would say this game is proabablly 50% group, 25% solo, 25% raid. best case scenerio. Worse case more like 70% group, 15% raid, 15% solo? That is my assumption, with nothing to back it up other then a lot of reading on this game. Not so nice guy! |
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9/20/06 8:30:16 PM#76
I would venture to guess that for some it's to stomp out negativity and shove it up the person's...bum. First time visiting this part of the forum (I've recently been reading up on Vanguard) and I see my belief that some people do take game-bashing to an almost "godly crusade" sort of level is true. Jonaku, you're not going to change anyone's opinion here on the game that already has one. So what exactly are you trying to prove?  |
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9/20/06 10:53:29 PM#77
Rofl. Who the Heck plays WoW for its PvP??? PvP in Wow sucks beyond all belief in comparison to most systems. Vanguard may not be the best ever but it can't be worse than WoW. Play DAoC or Guild Wars if you're playing solely for PvP. For PvE, Wow isn't half bad at what it does and I'm looking forward to comparing the Burning Crusade to Vanguard when they are both released, but as to the statement above ROFL |
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9/20/06 11:25:23 PM#78
i wonder if Jonaku reads anything he posts, i mean honestly, its terrible, he shouldn't be allowed to post.
BTW WoW pvp was as much an after thought as you are saying vanguards pvp is. |
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9/21/06 1:00:51 AM#79
The Vanguard forums has seen enough of him with many bashing threads (with the same old topics you know) and they do NOT want him back. He has been harping on these things for years. |
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