"This is killing me, are we ever going to get any official info about the state of a PvP server/system?

A vast majority of my guild is looking to leave WoW for Vanguard .. However; none of us like to hold hands and play "tickle the bad guy". We all feel there needs to be consequences for a persons actions, and only PvP can provide that in a game environment.

What is the state of PvP?

I need to know if we should all be buying Vanguard or The Burning Crusade."

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69240

"Vanguard is not a PvP based game, it is designed to be PvE. It has been stated there will be a PvP ruleset server on launch, but that is about the extent of the information.

If you are looking for a full out PvP game, you have come to the wrong place, and should look at the WoW expansion instead. However if you want to play a PvE game that has a PvP option, then keep your eye on this, but keep in mind it will still be a PvE game."

http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1405381#post1405381

They're in Beta 3 and STILL no testing of PVP. The vanboi community sneers at PVP. There's no real info on how PVP will work on the PVP servers. Sounds like it's a VERY low priority.

If you love PVP, you won't be happy in Vanguard. That's my prediction. And I'm stickin to it.

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Originally posted by jonaku

They're in Beta 3 and STILL no testing of PVP.

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Absolutely false, by the way.

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Originally posted by Trendson

It's a PvE loot fest for people who enjoy their mmorpgs bland and unoriginal. Of course pvp is gonna be an afterthought and done half azzed. 

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I'm not too much of an PvP MMO fan, so I cannot be for the PvP crowd on this.  I will say though, they have stated that they will have atleast 1 special rules server at launch and that it is going to be pvp (i think pvp is what they said)  But sense it is mostly targeted towards a PvE experiance, I'm sure they will focus on that way before they start doing anything whatsoever about PvP.

If I was a Dev and was making a PvE targeted game, then thats what i would focus on first as well.

It's a PvE loot fest for people who enjoy their mmorpgs bland and unoriginal. Of course pvp is gonna be an afterthought and done half azzed.  (By Trendson)

If thats how you see Vanguard then you're right. But from what they have stated and what they say are in the game/ will be in the game, it has alot more than any PvE MMO i've seen or played.  In my experiance I have not played a single MMO that was awesome (played good ones, but none that were awesome) so i don't expect Vanguard to be awesome either. 

I just am waiting for the game to come out so i can read a good, honost review to see if it is what i want to play.  I've been waiting for a new MMO sense EQ, which has held my attention far longer than any other MMO till this day. 

If it ends up not being something i'd want to play then i will not.  But all this PvP stuff should be common sense since PvP is not a main focus of the game.  I'm sorry if thats not what people want to here but it is true.  However, all PvE games i've played that have special PvP server, have had some pretty good ones.  EQ2's PvP servers were a blast too me, as well as the Good vs neutral vs. evil EQ PvP server.  (until everyone could just port to every zone thorugh PoK lol). 

Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.

They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.

But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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Originally posted by jonaku

Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.

They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.

EQ2 didn't have it as a focus and it is on the MMORPG "top rated" list.  From my experiance its PvP is just as good or better than MMORPGs that have PvP as a main focus (of course this is just an opinion).  Even on PvE servers they should have some sort of arena duels or something.. with awards... that would be pretty cool.  I dunno if they'll have those but that would add some fun to the game.

But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

I doubt they do half-effort.  Although I really dunno b/c i've never seen them working and i'm sure you havn't either so really your assumption is just as good as mine.  If it is done half-heartidly then we'll see when an honost review for the game is published.  But until we will see.

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Originally posted by jonaku
Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.
They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.
But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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yes we know jonaku, if the game isn't being made just for you it will suck....we get that now. not everybody likes pvp like you do, i know hard to believe isn't it?

yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?

BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix. i will be looking to play AOC or warhammer for that....that is the beauty of having different types of games to chose from.

this is extremely old news that you posted here, its been known for quite some time that vanguard will not be catering to pvp'ers.... i know its just flame bait just like every other thread you make but this is getting ridiculous.

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Originally posted by baphamet

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Originally posted by jonaku
Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.
They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.
But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?

BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.

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thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.

thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.

and this coming from a vanboi.

Q.

E.

D.

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by baphamet

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Originally posted by jonaku
Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.
They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.
But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?

BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.

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thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.

thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.

and this coming from a vanboi.

Q.

E.

D.

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by baphamet

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Originally posted by jonaku
Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.
They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.
But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?

BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.

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thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.

thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.

and this coming from a vanboi.

Q.

E.

D.

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Well, here i go again... (I know you all are getting tired of me, but i'm sure everyone is tired of a few others here as well haha).

I don't think Baphamet is right.  It may not be so glorious at first, It may not be there at first period.  But i'm pretty sure that eventually VG will come out with some sort of PvP style server that will be very fun and interesting.  Assuming Vanguard is successful as a game of course.  Again i'll use EQ2 as an example, I love the PvP in EQ2 even though it is strictly my opinion, I think it is funner than most PvP oriented games.  Giving that Brad has stated several times that he is a huge fan of special rules server, I'm guessing that he has a few ideas about a good pvp system. 

I still want Arenas and duels in the PvE part of the game.... LoL.

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Originally posted by jonaku
Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.
They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.
But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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Wrong. The devs go where the money is. And their are alot more people willing to pay for PVE than PvP. Look around you. Where are all the PvP games? Exactly.

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Originally posted by jonaku

Originally posted by baphamet

Originally posted by jonakuVanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

yes the pvp wont be that great in a pve-centric game, there are other games that have pvp as their main focus why must vaguard also be pvp-centric?
BTW jonaku, i am a avid pvp'er and i sure as hell wont be playing vanguard to get that fix.

thank you for confirming that pvpers should stay away from vanguard.
thank you for confirming that pvp in vanguard won't rock.
and this coming from a vanboi.
Q.
E.
D.

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its common knowledge jonaku, this is a pve-centric game and will not be balanced for pvp. yes it will have some pvp but it will not be one of the main focuses, we have known this for a while now.

and i would also like to add that while you love to generalize and put people in groups like calling me a "vabboi" the reality is i like all sorts of different type of games not just vanguard.

yes i think pvp in vanguard wont be the best in the world as far as the combat goes. i think there will be far better games on the market and being developed with better pvp content, i also think that if a player plays mmog's just to pvp that they will probably not like vanguard.

what are you really trying to prove here? do you think this is some sort of victory because you provided common knowledge that has been known for a long time?

old news jonaku..

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Originally posted by Nitsu62

Well, here i go again... (I know you all are getting tired of me, but i'm sure everyone is tired of a few others here as well haha).
I don't think Baphamet is right.  It may not be so glorious at first, It may not be there at first period.  But i'm pretty sure that eventually VG will come out with some sort of PvP style server that will be very fun and interesting.  Assuming Vanguard is successful as a game of course.  Again i'll use EQ2 as an example, I love the PvP in EQ2 even though it is strictly my opinion, I think it is funner than most PvP oriented games.  Giving that Brad has stated several times that he is a huge fan of special rules server, I'm guessing that he has a few ideas about a good pvp system. 
I still want Arenas and duels in the PvE part of the game.... LoL.

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hold on now, i don't think vanguards pvp wont be fun or intresting....i played eq and eq2 on a teams pvp server and i love it.

my point is vanguard will not be balanced for pvp as well as some of the other games that have pvp as a main focus, vanguard will obviously have less pvp content as well.

pvp will be fun and interesting in vanguard, just not as much content and as balanced as some other games out there.

i do think they could come out with expansions in the future and add more pvp content but as of right now, from what i have read it wont be at launch, just at least one server.

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Originally posted by jonaku
A vast majority of my guild is looking to leave WoW for Vanguard .. However; none of us like to hold hands and play "tickle the bad guy". We all feel there needs to be consequences for a persons actions, and only PvP can provide that in a game environment.

If you love PVP, you won't be happy in Vanguard. That's my prediction. And I'm stickin to it.

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Well, from a "Vanguard-hater" as many would prolly call me, although I don't hate it, I just keep hoping for a non-raiding server(it is conditional for me to even buy the game)...here are my views on this:

PvP can be "fun" in Vanguard.  Class won't be balanced for PvP, yet that doesn't rule out all PvP.  A group vs group or RvR might be far more interesting than the individual needs for balance.  Guilds fighting each other will require some amount of adjustment, some consideration.  I wouldn't rule it as not happy.

Small groups and solo PvP will prolly be extremely painful in Vanguard, but big groups and guilds PvP, I think there is something there... Is that enough for you?  I dunno, it is a LOT, yet it is not everything...it really depend on which part of PvP you are looking for, as PvP is such a general term...PvP can be divided just as PvE, into casual, grouping and raiding.  Casual PvP = run away in vanguard.  Group PvP = midly interesting.  Raid PvP = I see no reason why individual balancing should matter, it would prolly be ideal for epic battles, if the players are in for it...I am sure whichever guild will hold the land will have a huge edges in a non-instanced world to acquire the loot from the rare spawns.  The only thing that would be needed to make it more interesting, is to "help" the underdog developp and obtain some stuff, since in such a setting, a side wins and master the game henceforth...it just require some encouragement for the underdog...I am not PvP-oriented myself...I honestly don't know how this can be done, but the game has everything in place for the winning side...you just have to keep the losing sides motivated and interested (still can add a little something for the winners to gloat openly about...yet the losers must be able to progress as well even if slower, just not gloat).

I read these boards often though i rarely post, but this is just getting out of hand. I mean how many times will there be some whiner come on a Vanguard board (not just these) and bash the game because it isnt being made specificly for they're prefered play style? PvP (generel as the term is) is not something the average Vanguard player is likely to have much interest in. Not saying by any means that all Vanguard players dont want/like PvP, but if your a fan then you likely know thats not what this game is all about. There are plenty of games out there with more PvP/high end raiding/solo content than you can shake a rusty sword at. So why come here a piss and moan just because VG isnt being made JUST for YOU? You want PvP try WoW,DAoC,RF Online, or many others. Want TONS of high end raid content, then try EQ1, or likely many other agmes, though i cant name any off the top of my head. Just quit comming around VG fan boards to bash on a game that does not cater to YOU, because it likely does cater to many others. People need to remember, just because you can express your opnion, dont make your opnion right.

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Originally posted by baphamet

my point is vanguard will not be balanced for pvp as well as some of the other games that have pvp as a main focus, vanguard will obviously have less pvp content as well.

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Originally posted by jonaku

Vanguard's lack of focus on pvp just shows how insanely out of touch they are.

They still think it's 1999. Hello? McFly? An MMO without rockin PVP is unacceptable in the year 2006. And you can't just jam in pvp as an afterthought, otherwise, it will suck hard.

But what do you expect with the half-a$$ed effort being made by the Vanguard dev team?

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/shrug The majority of WoW's server rulesets are Normal, limited PvP...not sure why the demographics would be any different.

I would expect limited PvP with some PvP flagged zones on normal servers, and a couple different types of PvP servers including an FFA, Faction Based, and possibly even an Ironman server.