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MichaelCr Apprentice Member Joined: 10/20/05 Posts: 30	8/27/06 1:09:38 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Game is only in Beta 3 so relax it still has time to be a great game. I think the game has great potential and I believe in Brad's vision for the game.
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MX13 Novice Member Joined: 12/01/05 Posts: 2487 What in HELL is an Aluminum Falcon?!?!?!	8/27/06 1:24:23 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by MichaelCr Game is only in Beta 3 so relax it still has time to be a great game. I think the game has great potential and I believe in Brad's vision for the game. /agree The game has an EXTREAMLY strong footing to build on, considering how strong it is at this point... bashing a Beta half way through the cycle is begging future Dev's to keep players out of the Beta as long as possible, rather than including us in the Dev Process. I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!! In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Phoenixs Novice Member Joined: 12/11/04 Posts: 2646	8/27/06 1:33:25 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) The game is 9 months into beta and not too far away from open beta. And they want to release it this fall. If they are going to fix the troubles, they are starting to run out of time.
Gresteh Novice Member Joined: 5/08/05 Posts: 146	8/27/06 2:04:00 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Phoenixs The game is 9 months into beta and not too far away from open beta. And they want to release it this fall. If they are going to fix the troubles, they are starting to run out of time. 1st Vanguard beta began one year ago. 2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter. You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game. 3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release.
User Deleted	8/27/06 2:41:02 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by MichaelCr Game is only in Beta 3 so relax it still has time to be a great game. I think the game has great potential and I believe in Brad's vision for the game. Agree. People are edgy because there have been no quality MMO releases in a LONG time.
korvass Novice Member Joined: 5/29/06 Posts: 587 Has successfully forgiven SOE/LA for the NGE.	8/27/06 2:43:48 PM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Currently it's looking a lot like old days SWG, but in a fantasy world. And that is no bad thing in my eyes.
Phoenixs Novice Member Joined: 12/11/04 Posts: 2646	8/27/06 4:32:38 PM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Gresteh Originally posted by Phoenixs The game is 9 months into beta and not too far away from open beta. And they want to release it this fall. If they are going to fix the troubles, they are starting to run out of time. 1st Vanguard beta began one year ago. 2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter. You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game. 3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release. 1st: That is even worse. 2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits. 3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. Originally posted by korvass Currently it's looking a lot like old days SWG, but in a fantasy world. And that is no bad thing in my eyes. Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface
Mouth Novice Member Joined: 4/22/04 Posts: 58	8/27/06 5:48:00 PM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Is it only me or do the graphics seem quite dated? Also, waiting around on stuff that respawns and kill, kill, kill is NOT my idea of fun anymore. 5 years ago, yeah - but NOT now... give us a real world and good pvp. Guildwars is just excellent as a timeless pvp type experience imo.
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5385 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	8/27/06 6:21:16 PM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) hehe GW and VG arnt even in the same ballpark. Give it a chance when it launches and you will see what I mean... You will realise why the comparison isnt even there. Chalk and cheese As far as graphics being dated goes.. well.. no I have seen movies and SS recently that look just great by any standards, and they are still have around 5 months (ish) of upgrading, tweaking, and polishing to go. The difference with how Sigil have approached this, as opposed to other less honest and upfront devs, is that they have been constantly releasing real untoched ingame SS as they go along and not relying on rendered or touched up images to sell you something they havent got. I personally find this really refreshing. Follow some of the newer links from the mainsite etc, you will see what I mean. Finally on the waiting around for mobs to respawn... most of the 'special' nameds (called 'golden mobs') that drop the best loots will be triggered by quests etc, so camping should be limited and by your choice only I think. Despite it's very obvious spiritual heritage to EQ and it's insistance on maintaining an adult perspective, Vanguard is looking like a very modern game to me.
MX13 Novice Member Joined: 12/01/05 Posts: 2487 What in HELL is an Aluminum Falcon?!?!?!	8/27/06 10:19:32 PM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by Gresteh Originally posted by Phoenixs The game is 9 months into beta and not too far away from open beta. And they want to release it this fall. If they are going to fix the troubles, they are starting to run out of time. 1st Vanguard beta began one year ago. 2nd Vanguard is NOT going to be released this fall, Vanguard is going to be released this winter. You may not be aware but winter begins in december and ends in march. That leaves sigil 7 months to finish the game. 3rd Acording Sigil Vanguard will be released once is ready, even if it means delaying the release. 1st: That is even worse. How? It means they are doing it right... tkaing th time needed. 2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits. Actually no, it'll be out AFTER this year, Feb if we're lucky. Brad has said CLEARLY it will not be released this year more than likely. 3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. No gain, I play SWG beta, and it's well past that release level at this point. Is it ready? No, but it's doing VERY well compared to other Beta's 7 months out... Originally posted by korvass Currently it's looking a lot like old days SWG, but in a fantasy world. And that is no bad thing in my eyes. Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface Like I said, Beta SWG here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW... I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time.... I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!! In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
n2sooners Novice Member Joined: 10/29/03 Posts: 921	8/28/06 12:13:11 AM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Phoenixs 1st: That is even worse. 2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits. 3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. 1. So, you are of the mind that a short beta is better? Perhaps you can point me to those games with a short beta that ended up being nice games with a smooth release, because I know of none. 2. It has been said many times that the game won't be released this year. Quit making stuff up it makes you look stupid. 3. They may indeed delay release. Tell me once again, what game can you name that was rushed out of beta to be a successful game with a smooth launch. You seem to see delays as a bad thing while I see them as something players have been demanding for years. No more paid betas, release the game when it is finished and not a day before.
ste2000 Apprentice Member Joined: 2/28/04 Posts: 3696	8/28/06 2:13:44 AM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Vanguard is not DnL, that's for sure. Therefore forget about a game release with half features working, with more bugs than a nest of ants. Sigil will release the game when it is ready, which means that if it s not ready for this winter, it might release it next fall. It won't be necessary most probably, but it is useless to make up dates, bcause they won t be respected. Brad has his reputation to defend, on and you can bet it won't gamble it for a rushed release of the game.
Phoenixs Novice Member Joined: 12/11/04 Posts: 2646	8/28/06 2:49:16 AM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by n2sooners Originally posted by Phoenixs 1st: That is even worse. 2nd: Winter/Fall whatever. Plans are to get the game out this year, and most likely at the time when christmas shopping starts to maximise the profits. 3rd: Then they will have to delay it quite some. 1. So, you are of the mind that a short beta is better? Perhaps you can point me to those games with a short beta that ended up being nice games with a smooth release, because I know of none. 2. It has been said many times that the game won't be released this year. Quit making stuff up it makes you look stupid. 3. They may indeed delay release. Tell me once again, what game can you name that was rushed out of beta to be a successful game with a smooth launch. You seem to see delays as a bad thing while I see them as something players have been demanding for years. No more paid betas, release the game when it is finished and not a day before. 1. The longer the better. I'm just saying that the state of the game, after 1 year in beta, is not favourable. The OP pointed out that the game is just in Beta 3. There are 4 beta stages planned. It's getting closer to release and there is alot to fix. 2. The latest preview I read from GC, said it was due this winter. 3. Again I don't want to see the game rushed. My info is that they plan to release it this winter. And currently I believe the game in no way holds what it promises and top quality. Originally posted by korvass Currently it's looking a lot like old days SWG, but in a fantasy world. And that is no bad thing in my eyes. Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface Like I said, Beta SWG here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW... I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time.... The current interface/beginning feels very much like Wow (EQ2).
baphamet Hard Core Member Joined: 7/05/06 Posts: 951 110100100	8/28/06 6:22:38 AM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) the interface can be changed, it has already been pointed out that there will be multiple interface styles so that people can use a interface that they are familiar with, wow being one of them.
MX13 Novice Member Joined: 12/01/05 Posts: 2487 What in HELL is an Aluminum Falcon?!?!?!	8/28/06 8:12:11 AM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Before we get started, not flaming you, just observations: Originally posted by Phoenixs 1. The longer the better. I'm just saying that the state of the game, after 1 year in beta, is not favourable. The OP pointed out that the game is just in Beta 3. There are 4 beta stages planned. It's getting closer to release and there is alot to fix. There are 5 Beta Stages, the last being Open Beta. I've Beta'ed 8 Games to date, and VSoH is doing VERY well considering the time they have left. 2. The latest preview I read from GC, said it was due this winter. That may be, but he's right... Sigil & Brad have been clear that the game will not be released by Christmas for the shopping season unless "some miricle happpens, sorry". 3. Again I don't want to see the game rushed. My info is that they plan to release it this winter. And currently I believe the game in no way holds what it promises and top quality. Like I said, I VERY familar with the Beta process in game development, and VSoH is doing well. Like all games, it won't be perfect at launch, but with VSoH that's more due to it's size rather than it's design. Originally posted by korvass Currently it's looking a lot like old days SWG, but in a fantasy world. And that is no bad thing in my eyes. Hardly. Specially with the new Wow'ish interface Like I said, Beta SWG here... it's VERY close to the PRe-CU SWG feel, and nothing like WoW... I've tried WoW 3 times... I quit after about 2 hours each time.... The current interface/beginning feels very much like Wow (EQ2). How does a similar interface make the whole game WoW'ish? It's just the interface, the UI is completely different. DAoC has similar interface as well, but it's not like either game. I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!! In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Phoenixs Novice Member Joined: 12/11/04 Posts: 2646	8/28/06 8:36:59 AM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) 1. Beta 3 (Now) Beta 4 (Soon) Open Beta (Just before release) So the game isn't that far away from release, and major overhauls will not happen. 2. Ok, I'm wrongly informed here. But that is only positive for the game, since it needs fixes. 3. Same here, I'm also familiar with beta processes, have been in many, + I have been developing games too. Ofcourse it won't be perfect at launch, I'm not asking for that either. But what I have experienced so far isn't too good. And I believe there is alot to fix. I kinda got the DnL feel here, not only because of the big generated feeling world. To many big promises, to few deliveries. To me the whole game seemed like a advanced Wow and EQ2 clone. Ui is similar, hotbars, chat, menus, bags, dialogs, merchants, portraits etc etc. Starting quests and so on. Bah, I said way to much already.
hartam Novice Member Joined: 8/05/05 Posts: 366 Official Troll of the NBA	8/28/06 9:32:44 AM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) The only thing I don't really like is the combat. It looks really simple and boring, which is why I may lean towards TCOS. But i'll give VG a shot when they have an open beta.
solymnar Apprentice Member Joined: 8/28/06 Posts: 85	8/28/06 10:58:12 AM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by MichaelCr Game is only in Beta 3 so relax it still has time to be a great game. I think the game has great potential and I believe in Brad's vision for the game. /agree The game has an EXTREAMLY strong footing to build on, considering how strong it is at this point... bashing a Beta half way through the cycle is begging future Dev's to keep players out of the Beta as long as possible, rather than including us in the Dev Process. All it takes is regular perusing of the dev quotes to get an idea of the caliber and mindset of the people working on this game. Its rather hard not to anticipate a good outcome. :) All the released info so far just cofirms that they have a solid idea of what they are shooting for. Very good things to see.
jimmyman99 Novice Member Joined: 6/07/04 Posts: 3222 "Damn you, poetical justice" - Homer Simpson	8/28/06 11:40:37 AM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Isnt it against the NDA to mention about current game state, gameplay, UI and other stuff? It is against the NDA to even admit that someone is in beta. If there are problems with the game (lacking combat, lag, UI or whatever) it is understandable that this is beta and that everything may be changed at the time of release. If you say things like "combat is lacking, laggy, broken" then many people will assume this is how the game will be after release. Thats one of the main reasons why NDA is in place during beta. Since beta means the game is unfinished, bugged, laggy, devs do not want this information to get out into public for reasons above. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
MX13 Novice Member Joined: 12/01/05 Posts: 2487 What in HELL is an Aluminum Falcon?!?!?!	8/28/06 12:10:46 PM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by jimmyman99 Isnt it against the NDA to mention about current game state, gameplay, UI and other stuff? It is against the NDA to even admit that someone is in beta. If there are problems with the game (lacking combat, lag, UI or whatever) it is understandable that this is beta and that everything may be changed at the time of release. If you say things like "combat is lacking, laggy, broken" then many people will assume this is how the game will be after release. Thats one of the main reasons why NDA is in place during beta. Since beta means the game is unfinished, bugged, laggy, devs do not want this information to get out into public for reasons above. I haven't seen anyone talk about being in Beta here, just knowledge of the Beta... there are MANY sanctioned Screne Shots and movies that show everything we're talking about, as well as "leaked" materials. I agree, but for me that's a problem generated with the overall MMO Developer community and thier approach to Beta's in the past few years. The recent trend was to allow (and encourage) regular players to join the final Open Betas to test & promote the game. These "testers" for the most part aren't familar with the true purposes of a Beta, and they expect to see a polished nearly finished game. IMO, there are quite a few of these players in the VSoH Beta now, and many of those end up flaming the game for not being "playable". I feel sorry for Sigil regarding this. They're trying to create an "Open Development" standard, and they are taking an extreamly large amount of bad press about it. Because of it, we may never see this amount of inclusiveness in a Beta program in this industry again. I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!! In fact, forget the SWG!!!!