ouch is all I have to say.

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Originally posted by jonaku

ouch is all I have to say.

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HI MY NAME IS JONAKU AND I DON'T LIKE VANGUARD.  DID YOU KNOW THIS?  I HAVEN'T I SAID THIS BEFORE HAVE I?

Time to move on buddy.  The game may or may not do as well as people looking forward to it hope.  You're not gonna sway opinion one way or the other with your attempts to create an end of the world scenario by linking every beta leak that people have already seen.

I particularly liked this cutting insight to lead the blog: "Vanguard Beta has been plagued by a number of NDA breaches, most of them distinctly negative."

No shit, people who break the NDA are saying something negative, while the ones with positive things to say don't break it!?!  Do we have to have this same circular debate again?

See heres the problem.. the people who RESPECT the NDA and actually fucking give Vanguard a CHANCE are the ones with the good reviews or shall I say honest. This is the one thing that fucking pisses me off about NDA and the random people they select for beta. You got the people that say they "Tested" the mmorpg for 5 days and say it sucks. You got the people who wanna tell everyone whats really up but respect their position as a beta tester to not fire back.

[quote]Originally posted by jonaku
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ouch is all I have to say.[/b][/quote]

I love how this article says:

"The most recent NDA breach, to my knowledge, was the posting of a number of screenshots on the FOH Forums. The screenshots were taken on a mid-range PC and are probably indicative of the level of visual quality most players who don’t have high-end hardware can expect."

When it was Brad McQuaid himself that posted those screenshots on the FOH guild forums. Brad has been a member of Fires of Heaven since EQ1.

This article means absolutely nothing to me, in fact it's probably another WoW fanboi like yourself maybe? ;)

You can't ignore this and it's probally all true from the looks of it but still wait and see:

I’m on a 7800 GTX, 3.7 AMD 64 bit with 2 gigs of ram - the game runs consistently at under 20fps. I don’t mind that, it’s in beta and I’m sure it’ll be optimized, but a prerequisite for me not minding about shitty frame rate is if the game has jaw dropping visuals, it doesn’t.

The characters are ugly, they’re not especially detailed, totally bland with terrible hair - these characters are sub par to Galaxies, and in fairness Galaxies had a better customization system.

The environment is bland, the tree’s jut out awkwardly from the landscape, none of it really blends together, sure it’s big but there’s nothing of any interest, and lets not mention the water. NPC’s, enemies, armor, weapons - there’s no imagination here […]

Having played this game I would definitely put my money on Microsft being able to see how big a stinker this game is […]

They just recently sent out a survey to beta testers asking why they don’t play the game and what they should do to improve it and make it fun. 9 months into beta. They don’t know how to make their game enjoyable.

The truth is they have had no direction or concept beyond "make Everquest again" and not only did they fail in doing that, even if they manage to succeed through some divine miracle it will still suck because it’s a horrible idea to simply copy one of the first generation MMOs with gameplay that no one in their right mind enjoys anymore.

They touted it as a next generation MMORPG when it is a step backwards in every single aspect.

I think Vanguard is shit. I don’t want you thinking I am a whiner who hates difficult gameplay. The problem with Vanguard is that it tries to keep things like horrible travel times and unforgiving difficulty but DOESN’T keep the charm of Everquest.

The art style is horribly generic, so nothing feels special or interesting. When my Gnome Wizard in Everquest returned to Ak’Anon, it felt like home. There was a certain joy in meeting friends at Kelethin bank. When I played a dark elf, I loved looking at the corpses of idiot ‘good guys’ that got wrecked by Dragoons. Similarly, I loved the danger of trying to sneak through Guk, or finally taking down some great evil like Venril Sathir or Trakanon. I felt GOOD about these things. […]

Vanguard has no such feeling. Locations serve only as a place to click on people for quests, or click on people to kill. There’s no feeling of accomplishment, just annoyance. Nothing has any personality. The gameplay is nothing special, so it isn’t even fun. I can’t go into specifics for the same reason that others can’t, but I can say that I see no reason to play Vanguard. I’d love for a game to capture the feeling of Pre-Luclin Everquest, but Vanguard is not it.

Vanguard doesn’t have the art style or the humor of WoW. It’s not nearly as optimized (which is fair since Vanguard is in beta), and while it’s much harder, it somehow manages to be less rewarding. WoW may be very close to instant gratification, but sometimes it seems like Vanguard has zero gratification. […]

It’s not the fun kind of difficult, its the tedious and irritating kind of difficult. […]

With no personality, no enjoyment, and seemingly no fanbase, this isn’t EQ. This is just a bad game.

FoH Forums

It doesn’t attempt anything new, infact it disregards any and every improvement made to the genre since original EQ. It runs like pure shit on every computer, and it’s a mystery why, because it’s ugly, bland and unimaginative. It’s like someone gave a bunch of retards the ability to bump map high resolution textures and let them have at the world.

The models are ridiculously bad. You’d think since they recycled 1 model for every single race in the entire game that 1 model would atleast be decent, it’s not.

This game has no direction whatsoever, if someone told me the developers had been locked away in a basement somewhere since the release of EQ I would believe it. These people simply don’t have it in them to make an entertaining, current mmorpg.

If you pine for the days of sitting with a group killing things over and over in some random, barren location, and wish not only that you could revisit your days of killing wildlife in the karanas, but do it with sub 15 fps, then Vanguard is the game for you.

I really can’t go into depth beyond that because this game is that vapid, it has absolutely no depth to it. I can’t tell you gameplay element x doesn’t work nearly as well in this game it does in WoW, because this game doesn’t have it. It has running around killing things and it has sitting around complaining about how shitty it is.

the most generic korean mmo has more going for it than Vanguard. I can’t think of anything else to say beyond that.

Combat is just reaction not planning. As a melee tank most of my time in combat is spent waiting for certain icons and refresh timers to pop up so I can hit a skill. My skills just seem to do a little more dmg and nothing else. I’ve yet to see the big deal about all the talk of targeting a certain part of an enemy(like an arm or leg) to take advantage of a weakness. […]

The story arc of the main starting town is help protect the world from the undead forces behind a wall. The wall is about 80 feet long and has less then 10 guards. Your main contribution to this effort is to bring them a sack of food. In 3 quest, including one that just tells you to run up the road alittle further, you cover this whole story arc. The other starting town I tried doesn’t seem to have any type of story. […]

Most dungeons just have one path through them and no good camp spots. Mobs respawn so fast that you just have to burn through the place as fast as you can. Get 3 groups in a dungeon and it becomes over crowded.

CR’s still suck. If I want to spend an extra hour of my time playing a game its not to recover my body from a dungeon with a super fast respawn rate.

Character creation involves stretching your character out like putty to make it taller or larger. It lookes horrible. […]

I can’t say strongly enough though that this game just feels wrong and that the design philosphy just seems to be out of touch. Its like something I should have tried in 2000 not 2006. Besides rethinking the whole game I don’t see how they can save it. After putting a week into when I first got into beta and then a few more when the fileplanet relaese hit I just can’t get myself to log on. It just makes me sad after all the hopes I had for this game.

There’s alot of shit in the game that makes no sense, specifically the complete lack of direction at low levels, the terribly bugged animations and…god, lots else. The most amazing thing is the game somehow manages to be so complicated and so mind numbingly simple at the same time. I have 6 buttons to push in a fight, and combined theres something like 30 different effects I can push out as a ranger. Holy shit, that is the most pointless shit I’ve ever seen, and I don’t even want to go into it. […]

With that said, I STILL have faith in the game for some reason. If made concise the combat system has the potential to be pretty fun, and the non cookie cutter dungeons are pretty good. Of course there’s something like 3? non CC dungeons.

I'm looking forward to vanguard...  I don't know if it will be great, decent, or bad, but one thing i've learned from MMORPGs is to wait for honost reviews after it is released... and then decide if i wanna play it or not.

NO positive or negative review of a beta will turn me toward or away from an MMORPG, its all about finalized product and full reviews... not negative or positive previews.

I love MMORPGs but even though i do.. i still would never give any of the ones that i have played an 8/10 or higher on a review b/c none of the are near as good as they could be.

     What disturbs me the most is not the obvious negative posts made by beta players who've breached the NDA. No, the most disturbing thing is the leak that Vanguard can't get enough people to log in during peak times. This speaks volumes about peoples' opinion about the game so far and that instead of running out and break the NDA, they just don't play it. As $meadley once realized, people vote with their feet and just walk away from a bad thing. It really saddens me because I've been looking forward to Vanguard, but the more I hear about it the more doubt I habour.

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Originally posted by jonaku

ouch is all I have to say.

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Posted by ze Kranky Kraut on May 28, 2006.

Hmm, jonaku, took you a long time to find that one -- old news really.

If you are going to be the resident troll, please try to keep up with current events -- it's August now.

Thanks.

Btw, these were recently posted on the official boards -- it's a "second-hand leak" but of a different nature.

Re: Beta 3 has officialy begun

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Hello everyone,

I have a two friends testing beta 3 and they are all in awe over it. The only issue they were running into was the memory leak. I told them to load the memokit and they did. They say it's much better with the memokit software.
You can download it for free off the web at this site: http://www.download.com/MemoKit/3000...4-7138787.html

Hope we all get in soon, I can't wait to see it.
Keep up the good work,
Razor Burnz

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Originally posted by zipit

     What disturbs me the most is not the obvious negative posts made by beta players who've breached the NDA. No, the most disturbing thing is the leak that Vanguard can't get enough people to log in during peak times. This speaks volumes about peoples' opinion about the game so far and that instead of running out and break the NDA, they just don't play it. As $meadley once realized, people vote with their feet and just walk away from a bad thing. It really saddens me because I've been looking forward to Vanguard, but the more I hear about it the more doubt I habour.

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by zipit

    ...can't get enough people to log in during peak times.

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yup, exactly.

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Psst.  Beta 2.  Ancient news.

Try for something "fresher."

And the funniest part is that you KNOW jonaku WILL be playing Vanguard:SoH because he demonstrates how fanatically obsessed he is with the game.

Welcome aboard!

hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.

hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.

i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.

give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?

its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.

yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

And the funniest part is that you KNOW jonaku WILL be playing Vanguard:SoH because he demonstrates how fanatically obsessed he is with the game.

Welcome aboard!

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Originally posted by baphamet

hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.

hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.

i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.

give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?

its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.

yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

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your response is typical of the rabid vanboi. i expected no less.

i come here to provide constructive criticism of the game, but you once again try to squelch any dissenting opinion.

one thing, you forgot to say: "maybe you'd be happier in a game like WOW?".

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Originally posted by jonaku

Originally posted by baphamet
hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.
hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.
i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.
give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?
its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.
yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

your response is typical of the rabid vanboi. i expected no less.
i come here to provide constructive criticism of the game, but you once again try to squelch any dissenting opinion.
one thing, you forgot to say: "maybe you'd be happier in a game like WOW?".

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hahaha you are to predictable, reread my post i knew you would say that and that is exactly what you were hoping for, typical rabid soe-hater...i expected no less.

you also provided no opinion, you just linked a a 4 month old post that means absolutely nothing at this point. why don't you actually provide some "constructive criticism" instead of just simply posting a 4 month old post that means nothing?

again you are just here to troll and everyone knows it, come back and talk to me when you actually have an opinion and not just link yet another post thats 4 months old.

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by baphamet

hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.

hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.

i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.

give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?

its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.

yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

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your response is typical of the rabid vanboi. i expected no less.

i come here to provide constructive criticism of the game, but you once again try to squelch any dissenting opinion.

one thing, you forgot to say: "maybe you'd be happier in a game like WOW?".

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Bullshit, you come here to troll.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Basically you take offense that the game isn't custom tailored to your unique tastes and call anyone who it appeals to incompetent.  I'm not going to tell you to play WoW, or any other game.  I do wish you could find some game that fits your criteria so you would stop coming here and rehashing the same tired arguments verbatim so frequently.  It really does seem to be a pretty ineffective use of your time to expend so much energy on a game that seems to offend you on so many levels.

But do your thing.  Linking 3 month old NDA breaks is pretty weak though, you gotta come more correct than that.

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by baphamet

hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.

hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.

i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.

give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?

its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.

yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

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your response is typical of the rabid vanboi. i expected no less.

i come here to provide constructive criticism of the game, but you once again try to squelch any dissenting opinion.

one thing, you forgot to say: "maybe you'd be happier in a game like WOW?".

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You know.... you're like that crazy lil' mut, with the lazy eye...the one that looses all it's fur and growls at everyone that comes over....shits on my bed and then bites me after I lay in it.

...but you know what....

YOU'RE STILL MY DOG!

I LOVE YOU JONKAU!!!

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Originally posted by Amnesiac07

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Originally posted by jonaku

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Originally posted by baphamet

hes just here to troll as usual, its a good thing he found a post from 4 months ago so he can start yet another pointless thread.

hey jonaku, why don't you go back to the SWG forum and troll there? from reading all yours and most of the trolls that come here posts, all you guys do is complain and troll on every single forum you go to.

i don't want to ever read a post saying you want a legitimate discussion , because its clear you don't. you look on the web for anything negative you could post about vanguard or SOE, and now you are just getting desperate.

give it up already, we don't care about your anti-soe emo crusade....your not going to convince anyone to buy into your hate, all the other soe haters have moved back to the SWG forum where they belong, why don't you do the same?

its clear you have no true interest in discussing vanguard, i don't see why you keep this up. actually i do and i just fell for it.

yeah go ahead and quote me saying "typical vanboi response" but that is the reply you were hoping for right? thats clearly the whole point of you making these threads, this is getting a bit redundant jonaku.

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your response is typical of the rabid vanboi. i expected no less.

i come here to provide constructive criticism of the game, but you once again try to squelch any dissenting opinion.

one thing, you forgot to say: "maybe you'd be happier in a game like WOW?".

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Bullshit, you come here to troll.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Basically you take offense that the game isn't custom tailored to your unique tastes and call anyone who it appeals to incompetent.  I'm not going to tell you to play WoW, or any other game.  I do wish you could find some game that fits your criteria so you would stop coming here and rehashing the same tired arguments verbatim so frequently.  It really does seem to be a pretty ineffective use of your time to expend so much energy on a game that seems to offend you on so many levels.

But do your thing.  Linking 3 month old NDA breaks is pretty weak though, you gotta come more correct than that.

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