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stcolympia Novice Member Joined: 6/18/06 Posts: 11	8/17/06 12:47:44 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) When is this puppy coming out?
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MaeEye Novice Member Joined: 7/18/05 Posts: 994 Astronomy, art, games, and a cup of coffee.	8/17/06 12:50:28 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Right now it looks like a Feb-March 2007 release. I know they at elst want it to be ready March, but we might even be looking into a April/May release? /shrugs 1999 - Current UO veteran
baphamet Hard Core Member Joined: 7/05/06 Posts: 951 110100100	8/17/06 1:07:49 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) the above poster is correct, but don't be surprised if it even reaches summer '07. sigil will not release vanguard until its ready, so don't be surprised if it gets pushed back even further.
Gnomad Novice Member Joined: 4/17/06 Posts: 382	8/17/06 1:29:04 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stcolympia When is this puppy coming out? When the present money people get tired of pissing away their money like Microsoft did or until they can sucker another backer into paying their salaries and expenses with no viable product ready to ship, at which time they can push the release date back even farther to make sure they fulfill "the vision"
Amnesiac07 Novice Member Joined: 6/15/06 Posts: 103	8/17/06 11:08:14 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Nothing concrete is out as of now. As others have mentioned late Q1 of '07 dates have been hinted at recently, but the summer '07 projections seem a bit more realistic based on how work still needs to be done.
DrSmaSh Apprentice Member Joined: 12/10/04 Posts: 410 Be yourself	8/18/06 8:19:59 AM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) What, what, what?! When was it pushed back? Didn't they say it will come out at like end of this year? Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
Ayed Novice Member Joined: 7/28/06 Posts: 1	8/18/06 8:23:57 AM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=807223 This winter it is! Twitch
dimaryp Novice Member Joined: 12/08/05 Posts: 109	8/18/06 10:54:13 AM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I thought they said absolutely it will come out this year. Did that change?
Zippy Hard Core Member Joined: 7/24/03 Posts: 1385	8/18/06 11:13:28 AM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. For years the only thing they have ever said about release was that they hoped to release sometime in 2006. This year they changed that to this winter. Cindy Bowens further clarified winter to mean December to 1st quater 2007. Brad has most recently said they hope to release between January and March of 2007 if everything goes well. So no they have never promised any release date nor have they ever delayed this games release. Their only promise has been to not release until the game is ready. Given Brad's recent statements it is probably liklley this game will not be released until spring-summer of 2007 at the earliest. Most games take 4-5 years to develop. Vanguard began production in the summer of 2002. It appears to be right on schedule to be released in close to 5 years. Yes they could probably have pushed an early release but that does not seem to be the case. Rather they seem to be taking their time in beta to make sure the game will come close to the game they want released. Fun, polished and full of content. People may hate WoW but the best thing I see about WoW is it is forcing new developers to not release their games early. Sigil seems to have gotten the message of what happens to games like DDO and EQ2 when they release an unpolished and unfinished game to early. People want more and will demand more now. They may not like WoW but its the better alternative over an unfinished and unpolished game. From everything that has been posted about Vanguards beta the game is still very raw and in early beta. Another year of beta would not be surprising. The focus of beta so far appears to have been almost soley on the perfecting the core systems of group combat, crafting and to a lesser extent diplomacy. The rest of the game appears to be waiting to be added. At least this is my interpretation of the dev posts, beta newsletters and Brad statements. Hopefully development will accelerate with the start of beta 3 but there are always problems and things never go as smoothly as hoped. January to March may be possible but its probably unlikley.
dimaryp Novice Member Joined: 12/08/05 Posts: 109	8/18/06 11:29:11 AM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Zippy They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. I think you are wrong. [ sharable link ] Sounds like he said it will come out this year.
Zippy Hard Core Member Joined: 7/24/03 Posts: 1385	8/18/06 11:53:11 AM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by dimaryp Originally posted by Zippy They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. I think you are wrong. [ sharable link ] Sounds like he said it will come out this year. If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or promised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did. Even with their more precise date of January to March they are not promising anything. The key here is Brad said he hopews for a Janary to March release date if everything goes well and that the game will oinly be released when its ready. That is not a promise either rather it appears to be a statment that said we would love to release ion the spring but its probably will noit happen.
SpiritofGame Novice Member Joined: 11/30/03 Posts: 1331	8/18/06 11:53:35 AM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Brad had said "Jan.-March" some time ago, but this could change to a later date of course. Noted that recently Age of Conan has been pushed back to March-May timeframe. Delayed releases = par for the course.
dimaryp Novice Member Joined: 12/08/05 Posts: 109	8/18/06 12:01:49 PM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Zippy Originally posted by dimaryp Originally posted by Zippy They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. I think you are wrong. [ sharable link ] Sounds like he said it will come out this year. If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or pormised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did. "We recently began beta 2. As others have posted we will have at minimum 4 beta phases. Other than to say we will release in 2006, it would be premature for me to be more specific." Again sounds to me like he said it will be release in 2006. I still want to know, is the game fun? D
Zippy Hard Core Member Joined: 7/24/03 Posts: 1385	8/18/06 12:09:07 PM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by dimaryp Originally posted by Zippy Originally posted by dimaryp Originally posted by Zippy They never said it would absolutely come out this year in fact they have never promised anything. I think you are wrong. [ sharable link ] Sounds like he said it will come out this year. If you read my above statement that link is exactly what I said they they said. They said they hoped it would come out in 2006 but never promised it would and never felt comfortable enough to give a release date. I don't see anywhere in that link that they said it will come out in 2006 or pormised anything other than they are anticipating or hoping for a 2006 release. If you read Brads comments during in development he never guranteed or promised a 2006 release date rather he said that was their hope or goal. He has rather consistently said the game will only be released when its ready and there are no promises. Which is exactly what Sigil has said for years. When they were able to give us a more precise release date they did. "We recently began beta 2. As others have posted we will have at minimum 4 beta phases. Other than to say we will release in 2006, it would be premature for me to be more specific." Again sounds to me like he said it will be release in 2006. I still want to know, is the game fun? D You have to take the statement in its context as well as in with what they have also said. Which is they anticipate a 2006 release date or that we hope for a 2006 release date. Add in other statements which say we cannot guranatee a 2006 release date. The difference here may be semantics but it is more than that. Almost all game companies promise everything under the sun. Sigil and Brad have been quite different they have done their best to underhype and underpromise. Generally Brad will clarify almost statements taken out of context to say there is no promise here and its just a goal. Sure the goal was not reached but Brad has said time and time again that 2006 was never promised but rather a goal. If you look at what he is sating for the January-March release date he is saying the same thing. Yes we have a goal but don't expect the game to be out then. There are no hard dates and Sigil has never given a hard date. rather they have coinstantly hedged and talked about goals and what they expect to happen. In other words they talk about release in somewhat releastic terms rather than prmises or gurantees which most game companies use.
dimaryp Novice Member Joined: 12/08/05 Posts: 109	8/18/06 12:27:32 PM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Here is the thing. First of the year Brad said, "it will be released this year." I just easily found this one example, there were others. About May/June he was still saying that it will be released this year. I come back a few months later, and I hear, well maybe next year. Why the change? Don't tell me MMORPG's are hard to make, I'm pretty sure Brad and company knew that already. Right now I am very jaded with MMORPGs. The best one out still stucks. I don't trust what they promise, or what they say. All I really care about is; is the game fun. Right now all signs point to no. I was looking forward to this game comming out, now I'm not so sure. There are other games, ones that look like they will be a lot of fun. Vanguard had a year on them. Now it doesn't. Without a game to play, Sigil is just making another MMORPG. Tack it on to the list with the others. I guess my point really is, okay, they are making an upgrade to EQ/EQ2, whatever, it sounded fun, but it sounded fun last year. This year, doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Next year, I don't think it will be fun. D
Zippy Hard Core Member Joined: 7/24/03 Posts: 1385	8/18/06 1:07:26 PM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by dimaryp Here is the thing. First of the year Brad said, "it will be released this year." I just easily found this one example, there were others. About May/June he was still saying that it will be released this year. I come back a few months later, and I hear, well maybe next year. Why the change? Don't tell me MMORPG's are hard to make, I'm pretty sure Brad and company knew that already. Right now I am very jaded with MMORPGs. The best one out still stucks. I don't trust what they promise, or what they say. All I really care about is; is the game fun. Right now all signs point to no. I was looking forward to this game comming out, now I'm not so sure. There are other games, ones that look like they will be a lot of fun. Vanguard had a year on them. Now it doesn't. Without a game to play, Sigil is just making another MMORPG. Tack it on to the list with the others. I guess my point really is, okay, they are making an upgrade to EQ/EQ2, whatever, it sounded fun, but it sounded fun last year. This year, doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Next year, I don't think it will be fun. D I do share your jaded outlook on mmorpgs and I also think your question is the game fun is a very legitimate and important question. I attempred to somewhat address that question when you asked it in another thread. In regards to will Vanguard succeeed. I doubt it. Like most games it will most likley not meet expectations. There are 5 or 6 games in development right now that have the minimum $50 millon developer budget thaat give their game a chance to succeed, have a decent amount of content and release a fun and playable game. Vanguard is one of those games. I will root for all these games to succeed as they are are our only hopes. Yes a small developer might make a good game but its a longshot without having a large development staff and the money to fund such a project. Is Vanguard ahead in developemnt? Maybe. Vanguards one year of beta appears to have been mroe like one year of Alpha. One has to wonder if it reeally is ahead in development of AoC and LOTR. Conan is schedulded to release next spring to summer which most likley means at the end of 2007 or early 2008 as they just started beta. Warhammer is scheduled to be released at the end of 2007 but will most likley not come out until 2009 as its only been in development one year now. LOTR just started beta and I believe they are using the same engine as DDO although I am not 100% sure. If thats true it might make their beta cycle a lot shorter. STO is most likley a 2009 game. Vanguard, LOTR and AoC are most likley the only major games we will see out before 2008 so there is not a lot to choose from. Rather we will just wait and hope one of these games suprises us and turns out good. Wow used paid in house beta testers to do most of the testing before going to its 7 month closed beta. Who knows what Turbine and Funcom are doing with LOTR and AoC. Games now are so much bigger and complex than mmo's released 7 years ago they take a much longer time to beta test and people now expect a more polished and fun product. DDO and EQ2 were good lessons as to what happens now to games that are released prematurely. I don't understand your point why a game doesn't sound fun if its released this year or next. Rather the longer they wait the better chance it has to be fun. One of the bigest problems with bad games is they are released years to early. Sigil here seems to have gotten the message that games don't get second chances from poor releases. That a game has to be fun and polished when released not years afterwards. Can Sigil make Vanguard fun at release. I have my doubts but at least they are doing the right thing by taking their time.
dimaryp Novice Member Joined: 12/08/05 Posts: 109	8/18/06 1:41:35 PM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Why do I think it sounds like less fun? Every month that goes by without Vanguard releasing is another month for another game to add more features, to add more content, and for other games to come steal their thunder. Look at W.A.R. right now it is the darling of MMORPG. At one point Vanguard was king. Has any feature in Vanguard changed? No they have been adding more features as far as I can tell. Also, take a look at Vangaurd compared to WoW last December, now compare it to WoW now, and compare it to the Burning Crusades. Vanguards features start to dimish when you compare it. I hope this makes a little more sense. I know what I'm looking for, I just don't know where to find it.
blakavar Apprentice Member Joined: 7/22/06 Posts: 306 Troll says, "I'm a troll bitches. Dance!" MMORPG members say, "Hey, macarena!"	8/19/06 6:51:21 AM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I can't remember what site I was looking through, but I saw the Vanguard box with a december 06 release date on it. I don't know if its legit, but it seemed to make sense to me at the time. Beta 3 starting and the xmas sale season. (Shrug)
Anofalye Apprentice Member Joined: 11/19/03 Posts: 7423 The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander.	8/19/06 6:55:12 AM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) The only release date that interest me is: The launch of a non-raiding server, if such a thing ever happen. Other release are irrelevant and of no consequences. - "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation)
Agricola1 Novice Member Joined: 1/30/06 Posts: 4918 "The one you call messiah is a lie"--- Gary Numan	8/19/06 7:22:30 AM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) How many MMORPGs that have been released to date really were "finished" when realeased? Seems to me most were pushed early and were still in beta, even WoW had its problems less than many other MMORPGs admittedly. Still I don't believe being polished means it'll be fun, I hate fantasy anyway so it's not an issue for me. However SWG was released unfinished with many bugs (that still exist) but was fun. As for pushing back the date well, it's to be expected. If Brad jumped up now and said it's being released this December then I'd be really worried.