If VG is a success, then SoE will leave it be and enjoy it's cut as is. They know their rep amongst the MMO community and, after all, why mess with whats not broken?

If VG is a failiure, SoE will leave it be to save saddling themselves with yet another dead duck.

Either way, SoE will have nothing more to do with VG then they have now ever. It just dosent make any kind of business sense for them to be any more then publisher for this game.

It also dosent make any sense for Brad to sell a successful game developed by *his* company to SoE, not if he wants to build up a portfolio of quality products for Sigil. And, again, SoE arnt likely to buy a failing one.

Really, all this worry about SoE is worthless and pointless.

My biggest complaint is after all that huff and puff about not wanting to support Gold Sales etc and they go and join up with SOE  Something’s screwy here or Brad's Voiced Values where cheaply sold.  I could care less about the gold sales that doesn't bother me but to Stand on a pedestal and say we won’t do it blah blah blah really jacks your credibility.  The game itself looks great Looked great at fangaurd.  It won’t be a wow block buster but it will do real well in the market especially if it’s launched in line with the Xmas game releases.

What has using SoE as a co publisher/ distributer and technical support got to do with Sigil's stance against gold sales?

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Originally posted by Merxion

My biggest complaint is after all that huff and puff about not wanting to support Gold Sales etc and they go and join up with SOE  

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Well, there were prolly a few publishers for MMOs he could have chosen.

1: EA - Prolly not the best of choices, but they also aquired Mythic sometime after SGO went to SOE.
2: NCSoft - I really don't know how this would turn out, might have been good but not sure on project control.
3: Acclaim - You know what this wont happen because they are porting over Korean games only.
4: Sony Online Entertainment - We know how this turned out.

Also, if you read on the site they mentition ideas on how to combat gold farmers and the like.

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Originally posted by vesavius

If VG is a success, then SoE will leave it be and enjoy it's cut as is. They know their rep amongst the MMO community and, after all, why mess with whats not broken?

If VG is a failiure, SoE will leave it be to save saddling themselves with yet another dead duck.

Either way, SoE will have nothing more to do with VG then they have now ever. It just dosent make any kind of business sense for them to be any more then publisher for this game.

It also dosent make any sense for Brad to sell a successful game developed by *his* company to SoE, not if he wants to build up a portfolio of quality products for Sigil. And, again, SoE arnt likely to buy a failing one.

Really, all this worry about SoE is worthless and pointless.

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Lets hope ur right...

But if soe starts to pull the horn, ill leave at once.....

I actually don't mind SOE.  I think they're just hated because they're the biggest.  When you're the biggest, you change something, you're going to have someone not liking that change no matter what it is.  Over the years SOE games have undergone alot of changes, and with each change, some people have become unhappy. 

My only beef is how much they charge for their monthly fees.

SoE deserves another chance, that and its not really as big a deal as you are making it out to be.  Yea they may have messed up a few games before, but its seems clear they dont want to do it again, and Vanguard is made by the same people as our precious Eq-Velious.  SoE pissed me off before, but not enough to keep me off of Vanguard.

if anyone has any sense, they would stay away from SOE.

i know that sounds harsh but SOE one way or another screw up everything they get their hands on.

one of the first mmo's i truly got addicted to was a SOE game called Planetside. i had been followin it and played it in beta and continued into launch.

Never had a game been so amazin and perfect. it had everything. but slowly slowly, SOE seemed to release patches with new content that nobody wanted. And then the worst screw up of all, (which all Planetside players might remember) "THE BENDING"

from that patch, the game went downhill and at this moment in time, the game has about 10% of old veterans like me playing, and 90% of trial members that sign up to SOE's reserve program. Slowly the game is dying.

SOE did the same with SWG and another game that was highly anticipated but has gone downhill from day 1....Matrix Online.

SOE screw everything up. they do not deserver one more chance, they shouldnt exist.

SoE isnt even doing anything to the game besides distibuting it and providing servers.  Yea, a  couple of the older games arent as much fun any more but SoE doesnt have their hands on this one, Sigil does.

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Originally posted by Xiliaro
SoE isnt even doing anything to the game besides distibuting it and providing servers.  Yea, a  couple of the older games arent as much fun any more but SoE doesnt have their hands on this one, Sigil does.

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You do realize server stability for EQ2 was a MAJOR issue for the first year of EQ2, right?  And you can pretty much call all of SoE's MMO product like crap.  It isn't a matter of them "not being as much fun" but rather being completely ruined.

Once I heard that SoE was getting involved in Vanguard... I decided I will most likely not try the game at all.

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Originally posted by Dreneth

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Originally posted by Xiliaro
SoE isnt even doing anything to the game besides distibuting it and providing servers.  Yea, a  couple of the older games arent as much fun any more but SoE doesnt have their hands on this one, Sigil does.

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You do realize server stability for EQ2 was a MAJOR issue for the first year of EQ2, right?  And you can pretty much call all of SoE's MMO product like crap.  It isn't a matter of them "not being as much fun" but rather being completely ruined.

Once I heard that SoE was getting involved in Vanguard... I decided I will most likely not try the game at all.

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DO you mean major issue like waiting in line for a few hours before being able to log onto your server as in WoW? Becuase truthfully, I've started playing EQ2 since day 1 and didn't ever had MAJOR problems with server stability. Every mmorpg has this kind of trouble at the beginning. You don,t know how your hardware will react to a vast amount of peoples at the same time.  SoE isn't involved at all with the game aside from distribution and providing server. The pool of server SoE has is much better hten what Sigil could ever have by themselves or what Microsoft could provide at the moment.

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Originally posted by Kasp3r

 

SOE did the same with SWG and another game that was highly anticipated but has gone downhill from day 1....Matrix Online.

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Warener Brother screwed up that game by themselves. They sold it at a cheap price to SoE. Matrix wasn't a highly anticipated game at all, by the previews peoples could tell it wouldn't turn out right. By playing the beta you could see it wouldn't live up to the hype of the block buster.

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Originally posted by Vendel

DO you mean major issue like waiting in line for a few hours before being able to log onto your server as in WoW? Becuase truthfully, I've started playing EQ2 since day 1 and didn't ever had MAJOR problems with server stability. Every mmorpg has this kind of trouble at the beginning. You don,t know how your hardware will react to a vast amount of peoples at the same time.  SoE isn't involved at all with the game aside from distribution and providing server. The pool of server SoE has is much better hten what Sigil could ever have by themselves or what Microsoft could provide at the moment.

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No, I mean major issues like server instability, zone crashes left and right, severe lag.  I played from launch until January of this year, and watched it steadily get worse.  Their CS sucked too.

You'll see. SoE will find a way to kill this game too.

SoE has nothing against their customers, Im sure they are as upset about their failures as you.  I myself have had little problems with SoE servers, which is all SoE is doing for this game.  Pout all you want cry about SWG, The Matrix Online, despite company, made me laugh when i heard about it so I would hardly call it anticipated.  Vanguard is the best looking MMO right now made by Sigil, not SoE.  Would you rather it be unplayable but SoE not provide servers?  Just because they made a mistake.  Fine dont play if it means enough to you, im not gonna be the one to miss out.  You can wait another year or so for a mmo of this magnitude to come out.

I'm really not all that broken up about it "missing out".  And SoE hasn't made "a mistake", they have made many.  While the game itself may have been developed by Sigil, the hardware the game will be on is going to be monitored by idiots.

Personally, I hope it works out for Sigil,  I would hate to see the game fail... but involving SoE is like asking Walmart to handle your human resources.  Good luck with all that.  :)

You are not giving SoE enough credit.  Just assuming they are bad at everything because they ruined one of your games.  I have never had a problem with Everquest servers, EVER! In fact I wish that Everquest stayed with Sigil, and if you have ever bought something at Walmart because its cheap I wouldnt hold it against you.

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Originally posted by Vengeful

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Originally posted by Salvatoris

Why is is so hard to understand someone not wanting to do business with a company they feel has treated them poorly or ripped them off? Why do some of you guys act like it's odd, or unheard of to stop giving someone your money once they lose your trust?

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Because these are large corporations, not family owned buisnesses. Often, with these larger companies, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It's not their fault really...it's a side effect of being too successful. There is no one person in SOE that you would put your trust in, much like you would a family owned resturaunt. And so... someone like myself, I notice that they aren't trying to hurt anyone. Someone somewhere made a mistake...it happens, so I don't buy that product of theirs. If they make a product I might enjoy, I'll buy it.

What I don't understand...is the inconsistancy. People don't do this with fast food, breakfast products, or record lables...but they do it with MMOs, Cars, and computers.

If you get food poisoning at Tacobell, do you also stop going to KFC? They're owned and run by the same people. If you get a stale batch of Corn Pops do you stop buying Frosted Flakes?

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hehe Vengeful, so true. Couldnt have said it clearer myself.

This game is going to suck. Anything SOE brands is crap.

 I have a few questions. Why are there so many people posting complaints about people posting negative things in a Thread titled " We're Angry about SOE " ?? also along the same line do the " I read thru x number of pages and i'm glad I won't read this thread again" people not even read the titles of the threads they are looking at ??? Personally I'm ambivalent towards SOE  I read the SWG forums here for entertainment and in doing so I've noticed the passion most of the vets have towards the original game and also the passion a few of the current people have towards the present version . I think it really comes down to a game being fun but I see no problem with people warning others about a game, company , or ETC. that they feel has done them wrong . IMO the best thing for a person to do when starting or thinking of starting a new game is to read all you can about it, consider with a jaded eye the haters & Fanboi comments and then try it yourself. Because YOU are the only person that can truly say whether a game is for you or not.

About SOE publishing this game and whether they have any say over the game itself we'll just have to wait and see this said we all know Money talks and BS walks , I mean Sigil is in this to make money and if someone makes a big enough offer then who knows  sometimes Vision wins out over taking care of your family but that's never an easy decision. I mean really its not that hard , your family comes first, but its always hard to sell out your dreams .

This is all just my opinions and personal thoughts and prolly means jack .

My problem with them is their customer service and attitude to their customers...