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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Forum » General Discussion » Official "We're Angry about SOE" Thread

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  Tamalan

Novice Member

Joined: 11/13/04
Posts: 1116

Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?

2/20/07 7:28:04 AM#241
Of course there are UFO's at Area 51, its a testing base for new and experiental aircraft.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object, to anyone outside of the base anything flying round there is just that.

I think he means Alien UFO's.

And there is currently no evidence either way to prove or disprove what they have sat in their hangars and where it came from :)
  smg77

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/25/06
Posts: 685

Just wait until SOE ruins *your* game...

2/20/07 3:13:13 PM#242
Originally posted by Laiina
Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.


Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.


Sigil has been fairly open about the fact that they are out of money hence the early launch. SOE is now in the driver's seat because they are holding the purse strings. That's about as logical as it gets.
  Sturmrabe

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/08/03
Posts: 993

TO VICTORY OR VALHALLA!

2/21/07 1:30:43 AM#243
Originally posted by smg77
Originally posted by Laiina
Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.


Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.


Sigil has been fairly open about the fact that they are out of money hence the early launch. SOE is now in the driver's seat because they are holding the purse strings. That's about as logical as it gets.

total pwnage...

A: Microsoft wouldn't launch a beta, if M$ wouldn't go alon with a marketing scam you KNOW you are boned.

B: SOE would

Conclusion: SOE is evil, but Brad McGay is just as evil cause they are doing what he asked, BONING YOU!


Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche

  JeroKane

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5352

2/24/07 8:11:13 PM#244
Originally posted by Sturmrabe
Originally posted by smg77
Originally posted by Laiina
Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.


Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.


Sigil has been fairly open about the fact that they are out of money hence the early launch. SOE is now in the driver's seat because they are holding the purse strings. That's about as logical as it gets.

total pwnage...

A: Microsoft wouldn't launch a beta, if M$ wouldn't go alon with a marketing scam you KNOW you are boned.

B: SOE would

Conclusion: SOE is evil, but Brad McGay is just as evil cause they are doing what he asked, BONING YOU!

It's the SOE fanclub against the SOE bashclub here! It makes me laugh!

Fact is that as of late ...every title that is being released under the flag of SOE lately is a failure. Dunno tho? But to me that is a pretty clear sign in how things are running over there at SOE. NOT GOOD!

I have never seen such a large amount of unhappy customers these past years as with SOE. Sure you have an amount of players that troll at every oportunity they get, but seriously tho. This large amount of unhappy customers towards SOE can't be ignored any longer!

It is a plain fact that John Smedly deserves an entry in the Guiness Book of World records as the most incompetent CEO ever! Ever since he stepped into that position things went downhill. And then I mean right down into the sewer!

It's not about Lucas Arts doing this and Sigil doing that .... it's about how bad stuff is being released under the flag of SOE as of late! The utmost deceiving marketing of SOE with their big lies trying to get every dime out of people's pockets with products not worth releasing (yet)!

If SOE and Sigil would have wanting to make a serious succes out of this game then SOE should have put in some extra dollars funding in Sigil so they could have released the game a couple of months later!!

Now a lot of people buy the game, get fed up within a couple of days, or even earlier, throw the game aside and won't look back!

We all know all too well what happened to Matrix Online. It had the greatest community ever. An awesome fanbase. Game gets released in an awefull state (just like Vanguard) and it lost its entire player base within 3 months! And I very much sense the same thing will happen to Vanguard now! There are so many bugs and game breaking stuff in it, it will take too much time for them to fix it and keep their players happy!

Everyone can dash and spit on World of Warcraft. But plain fact is that Blizzard has 8million subscribers and SOE won't even come near that amount with all their current running MMO's combined!

Vanguard had great potential. Just like Matrix Online had. Just like SWG had in its early days. It's a downright shame!

Cheers

  deucallion

Novice Member

Joined: 2/14/07
Posts: 188

<insert witty, macho geek blather here>

2/28/07 6:17:27 AM#245
Face it friends, Vanguard is gonna go the way of Shadowbane.  It shall fade into obscurity and those of us that care to look back will just smile grimly and shake our heads.  There there now, don't cry.  Deep down we all knew it would be so.  Crashes, bugs, lag, bugs, crashes . . . we've seen it all before.  A game released before it is ready will fail.  It is inevitable.  So now that I've reminded us all of that one universal inescapable truth, we can just let that festering turd of a game lie and get back to the business of getting along again right? Good!
  IvanTheFool

Novice Member

Joined: 4/03/03
Posts: 75

3/01/07 6:36:20 AM#246
Originally posted by deucallion
Face it friends, Vanguard is gonna go the way of Shadowbane.  It shall fade into obscurity and those of us that care to look back will just smile grimly and shake our heads.  There there now, don't cry.  Deep down we all knew it would be so.  Crashes, bugs, lag, bugs, crashes . . . we've seen it all before.  A game released before it is ready will fail.  It is inevitable.  So now that I've reminded us all of that one universal inescapable truth, we can just let that festering turd of a game lie and get back to the business of getting along again right? Good!
   Vanguard actually is more stable than Shadowbane,  Remember cancelling that after the first week only getting to play about two hours because login servers got borked.  Then again, Shadowbane had the whole player run cities and was setup for PvP .  I'll be happy to see alot of games buried, wouldn't mind reading about a huge mmorpg dev Kool-aid cult party suicide too.  Nothing else seems to be sparking a change for new fun ideas in this genre.
  chewdog82

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 20

3/02/07 9:45:20 PM#247
im sorry, but this game is horrible. the Hardware req are beyond NORMAL ppls computers. The models look like I made them in paintbrush. they basically made one of the biggest patch updates 2days before the PUBLIC release. Just look at all the ppl that say the same thing i do, and you got your conclusion. Im reallly sorry i spent the 10.00 for the beta access.
  Vistaakah

Novice Member

Joined: 2/25/07
Posts: 176

3/03/07 12:07:07 AM#248
Originally posted by chewdog82
im sorry, but this game is horrible. the Hardware req are beyond NORMAL ppls computers. The models look like I made them in paintbrush. they basically made one of the biggest patch updates 2days before the PUBLIC release. Just look at all the ppl that say the same thing i do, and you got your conclusion. Im reallly sorry i spent the 10.00 for the beta access.
Thats cheaper then the 50 dollar coaster i got on my desk ;)
  chewdog82

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 20

3/03/07 12:24:52 PM#249
Vistaakah i couldnt love you more lol, or agree with ya =)
  ansellus

Novice Member

Joined: 9/13/05
Posts: 3

3/06/07 3:20:21 PM#250
I played SWG from beta and bought the game on launch date. I loved that game... for a while. But of course that changed and there's plenty of posts on this thread about why.

I promised myself that I wouldn't play another MMO with SOE's name to it, unless I heard lots (and I mean really lots) of good things about it. Having read this forum (reading posts stating good and bad things about the game) I'm patting myself on the back for sticking to my promise. I just feel sorry for the people who've wasted their cash on what appears to be another currently incomplete and flawed MMO.

End of Trolling
  Beery

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Joined: 7/05/06
Posts: 184

"Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket".

3/07/07 10:51:22 PM#251
SWG is probably never going to be the game that it was, but after the recent publishes I'd say it works better than it ever has.  That's not saying it is better in terms of what you can do - it's a different game.  But the new developers have made the game feel like a well designed game rather than the mismatched bunch of game features that it was.  I'd rather be playing SWG now than any other game.  There's still no other game that compares to it.
  Ravendas

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Joined: 3/08/07
Posts: 19

to be is better than not to be that is the answer.

3/08/07 7:02:35 AM#252

Ok  first things 1st i signed up to the site after reading this long and entertaining thread just so i could add my comments on a game that i actually bought retail and as painful as it was levelled a rogue in the infinium (eu) server to L18 before tossing the game in the dustbin a long time before my free gratis 30 days subscription were up.

This Game sucks big time end of story , broken quests , chunking of major proportions , bugs , lagg ,you name it this game has got it.

I for one was really dissapointed i really wanted to like this game but as a seasoned rpg  player of more than 25 years i just wanted to cry. Yesterday saw the first updated content patch to be released it screwed the game big time and made it far worse than it was already , the whole emphasis on group play is not a bad thing but and here's the but ..  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLO with any degree of success my rogue was left unable to solo mobs while doing menial quests on mobs 2-3 levels below because of 1.a poor user interface . 2.i'm probably a crap rogue well i was after i got nerfed in yesterdays update.The whole die and lose 3 days worth of xp trying to get back to your tombstone because you get ported to an area rezz point that is far above your level really sucks and was a deciding factor in me placing this game in file 13.

I feel sorry for sigil and i hope they don't go under because of sony's involvement my prediction is the game will be dead inside of a year if they don't address the fundamental issues regarding major game mechanics and do it sharpish insteaad of adding content that won't be seen by many people once the game dies a slow painful death.

Ravendas L18 ( Deleted) infinium (EU)

 

 

  User Deleted
3/13/07 7:41:55 AM#253

What a shame , SOEs  step child is a failure. I was tempted to switch from WoW to Vanguard but I was have Soe much fun playing the BC that I rolled my primary avatar to a new account Soe my kids could play my original. Muahahahaha , SOE loves that Jestor .

Rodo at Dragon - Con 07 - you going?

  cdcoll1ns

Novice Member

Joined: 2/02/04
Posts: 18

3/16/07 1:53:10 PM#254
SOE sucks - they ruin every game they touch. 
  Avra

Novice Member

Joined: 5/19/04
Posts: 101

3/19/07 2:02:44 PM#255
I am done with SoE titles. TERRIBLE customer service, inferior product. With all the new titles out this and next year, no need to continue to support $OE.
  Praxus

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Joined: 5/18/04
Posts: 273

3/21/07 1:55:43 PM#256
Lol had a look at the last two pages of this topic and regret it already. They should change the title to Official Whiners Thread.

And sorry, SOE didn't screw up SWG with that patch. It sucked from the very beginning. The grind made vanguard look like a walk n the park.
  raysie

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Joined: 4/09/06
Posts: 33

"time and tide"

3/21/07 2:35:49 PM#257

what the hell are you on about??

i have played wow for 2 years since launch then eq2 for 2 months but i have never played a more exciting gane or indead one with so much potential {wow is so predictable} sigil have great things in store for this game LONG LIVE VANGUARD!!

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  Mitara

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 453

3/22/07 1:54:55 PM#258

3) The sudden success of World of Warcraft dramatically changes the common held idea of what an MMO was supposed to be.

4) Microsoft, as any buisness, wants to offer a product that will compete in the market. After the market changed drastically with the release of World of Warcraft, it became less attractive to produce a game that didn't conform to the new market's standard.

5) All of these added factors changed Microsoft's approach to Vanguard, and Brad being the stubborn idealist that he is, would not comprimise.

Am I missing anything?

----------------------------

You are missing a lot.

Wow did not in any revolutionize the design of an MMO. They made a full blown copy of EQ, which was already a success, knowing that people would come from EQ because of this.

You are right in, that the market has changed, or rather expanded. China has been opened up and Wow has had a great success based on the other stuff that Blizzard has done (the warcraft series). Blizzard has been lucky with many of the things they have put out, but they did not invent anything new. They are just good businessmen, something this genre lacks.

 

I also believe Vanguard is a far better made game than Wow. But it isnt new or inventive or revolutionary. It is just better graphics and more classes.

  wolfx

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Joined: 11/13/05
Posts: 19

The Only True WOLFX™®©

3/22/07 2:22:38 PM#259

I don't post much on forums one because I sux at gram so I don't want the gramer police after me :P Anyho.

1st off I have played Vanguard as well as SWG from the Beta stage. And yes there will never be another game like SWG for some time. I find my self thinking why are those of you whom have played vangruad think there is not going to be problems? Come on from the 1st days of  WoW/SWG/EVE ect there are gliches, IT IS GAME SOFTWARE WRITIN BY PEOPLE lol. Wining about such a thing to me is a waste of time. I know that there was going to be problems. But the biggest problem is not the game but those computers you play them on. I have seen SOOOO I got this and I got that and the game sux running on it well look here. P4 3.4 HT 2g ram Nvidia 7600 512mg thats is about the run of the mill computer most poeple are playing on and thats mine. I get 25 to 30 FPS outside town and around 12 to 15 FPS in town. So thing to look at when talking bad about a game because it is not running like you want it to..... Is it the game or your stuff and or your conection? Do you have things set up for game or and off the shelf computer thinking because it is the newest stuff on the land it will run the game great. Again I will say I play vanguard and enjoy it alot I think the game is well made and will only get better as time goes on. It is not a solo game for you gold miners but a group game so YES you have to have a friend to work with and share :P. In close let me say this. If you are haveing problems with a game fix it or help fix it don't just sit back and wining like a sissy get involed in your game and help other enjoy it as much as other because in the end we are just here to have FUN !!

  xpowderx

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Joined: 10/09/05
Posts: 4311

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. Richard Feynman, Nobel-prize-winning physicist

3/27/07 10:48:01 PM#260
Its SOEs way to make money!! The game is flawed so SOE camn offer the fixes as a expansion for only 39.99US$ They have done this to many of there games. EQ is the worst right now. A expansion every 3 months for the past 3 years ..

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