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For those of you that think that SOE is the one that screwed up VG, you might want to read this...

http://www.f13.net/index.php?itemid=561#more

Well...if the ex-Sigil employee's interview/information is accurate, some things seem pretty clear:

1)  The management at Sigil was messing up Vanguard long before SOE got involved.  They deserve the blame for the bad product.

2)  One of the management persons responsible came from SOE, and appears to be staying with the game, despite being partly responsible for the failure.  Not SOE"s fault, but not positive looking, IMO.

and....

3) Although SOE isn't responsible for the mess the game was, they do appear responsible for pushing the release of a messy, unfinished game, for their own profit.

(as evidenced by:  f13.net: Who set the release date?

Ex-Sigil: The release date was set as a result of SOE not wanting to fund the project any deeper without SOME revenue coming in...)

And #3 is why SOE won't get any of my money.....no, they didn't make a bad product...but, you don't get to sell me unfinished products for personal profit, I don't care who you are or what you make.

That's assuming, of course, that the f13 interview is accurate.

As a card carrying member of the $OE haters club I'm not for one moment saying that $OE is the one responsible for Vanguard being a turd. That honour falls on the shoulders of the Sigil CEO and directors, I believe many of my $OE hater bretheren fully agree with me on this point and are not trying to place responsibility for this on the dark one's (smed) shoulders.

However $OE is responsible for trying to sell you the turd, knowing full well it's a turd and a loose and smelly one at that. The evil Sith lord Smed and his latest Padawan (Brad) will no doubt use their mind tricks to keep people playing whilst the game is being jury rigged together by a skeleton crew of DEVs. Expansion packs shall be many, prepare yourself to pay for any real new content.

Now that Smed has possesion of Brads soul he will use it to play mind games with EQ subscribers, a new expansion pack created with the help of his new dark servant Brad? 

I don't blame $OE for a bad game, I despise them for purchasing it and putting it on their station pass whilst increasing the cost of that pass at the same time.

To all the people that say I'm crazy and warped I say,

It's a fact that John Smedley recieves on average two pieces of human exrement in the post everyday, now all I want to know is who's sending him the other one?

Originally posted by Agricola1

...I'm not for one moment saying that $OE is the one responsible for Vanguard being a turd. ..However $OE is responsible for trying to sell you the turd,

Originally posted by bverji

Originally posted by Agricola1

...I'm not for one moment saying that $OE is the one responsible for Vanguard being a turd. ..However $OE is responsible for trying to sell you the turd,

And it's way scarry that there are so many people that can't see that.

Originally posted by TBergh
I usually don't post anything buecause it generally all gets said already.  However, I do play Vanguard and ever since SoE took it over earlier this week the amount of goldsellers spamming everyone has increased exponentially.  Whereareas I used to get 1 spam every week or 2, nowdays I get at least 1 spam an hour if not 5 or 6.  The sad part is the spamming all increased on the same day SoE officially took over Vanguard from Sigil.

Holy crap, '05?!?!? No kidding you don't post much!

Originally posted by TBergh
I usually don't post anything buecause it generally all gets said already.  However, I do play Vanguard and ever since SoE took it over earlier this week the amount of goldsellers spamming everyone has increased exponentially.  Whereareas I used to get 1 spam every week or 2, nowdays I get at least 1 spam an hour if not 5 or 6.  The sad part is the spamming all increased on the same day SoE officially took over Vanguard from Sigil.

No joke. I'm rather glad that Fhizz is the CF who is still volunteering on our server (Targonor); the man's a machine at tracking down the RMT sellers, and cleaning out the gutters.

SOE will never get my cash agian after they destroyed SWG like they did , nuff said.

Here the good news: Sony lost 3% overall profit$ (down from 8%) hovering around 5% now.

Time to get out of the PC marketing.

Yes I think that we should give them time. The game has true potential. Although they better hurry up cause the lag in cities is driving me nuts. I end up logging off. I'm giving them one more month and then I shall close my account and watch n wait to see if it is worth comming back. I like the idea of vanguard a lot. Although if they don't do the relm merge in the next 2 weeks I might become a vanguard hater. Woefeather is a ghost town.

Hi all..... I'm a new SOE hater... after years of playing eq/eq2/swg/vanguard...  i have had enough of  there customer servers...

Games are going to have there problems.. but how you handle your customers make the difference.. my beef or last straw was.. SOE sent out an email to customers that have played eq2, and vanguard offering them 2 months free and expansions free for eq2 ...why they fix vanguard.. well i contacted there CS, and ask why i did not get this offer ... to make a long story short... I't was because i didn't cancel my vanguard account.... thats just crazy to me.... do i think SOE does not want vanguard to work... you darn right i do.. just look at eq2 and vanguard website....

Vanguard talks about new game coming out  http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/

EQ2? hmm don't see it  http://eq2players.station.sony.com/index.vm

SOE just seem to make games or buy games they cannot fix or cannot be bothered to fix, just as long as they are making some kind of profit they really dont give a monkeys.

I avoid all SOE MMO's, after Starwars galaxies and Matrix Online, i wouldnt even play a trial of Vanguard, as i know already how bad there customer service is, how they never fix the flaws within the games, they jus coat over them, but the cracks eventually resurface,,,

There Forums are a waste of time, they just make announcements, full of optimism and false hope, and then do something completely different. Oh and lets not forget Starwars galaxies forum  where they deleted a whole forum and started a new one because it was full of abuse because of the NGE and the offical thread for what people thought about the combat system and the user interface, about 95% of people hated it, and there was at least a thousand posts being complaints.

Im tired its 3:33 am and rantings over 

Well I'm new to MMORPG, was always too lazy to sign up.  Was just curious as to how Vanguard is doing now?  I was playing since release but go real busy with school and stopped for a few months so I just canceled my account.  I hear the games has gone down the crapper and that all the original developers are off the game now.  If this is the case I'm glad I canceled.

SoE saw an opportunity  to make a Hack-job WoW clone and they took it, also the new dev's they hired to run VG:SoH are either A) retarded or B) taking orders from retarded people

WoWGuard lives!

Pretty much, though even those retards are more competent than Brad McQuaid

I do love SOE and I think you are all naughty little boys if you do not like them as well.

Very very naughty little boys.

You will go to bed with no supper.

SWG was really improved by the new changes that made it more FPS like. The orginal system sucked.

We love you SOE!!!!!

My wife and I have been playing Vanguard since beta.  For longer than we can remember, we have dealt with the extreme lag, the broken client, the constant deaths from crashing to desktop (CTD), the broken chat/social servers, etc.  We've stayed through the SOE merger, and we had high hopes they would change the public's opinion of their company post-SWG/NGE.  But come on, how long do we have to give them to fix the only thing that really matters to any of us - stability - we all just want the game to stop crashing & lagging.  Times up for me.

As of the release of Thom's "Vision", we've cancelled our accounts.  The final straw for us was this section:

"Areas that we're going to make changes to

Optimizations; stability; optimizations; stability; optimizations; stability. I may be wrong but I think I see a pattern here. J Hey let's face it, Vanguard had some performance issues but we've made huge leaps since launch. If you've played since beta, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you had problems at launch and you haven't been back recently, you've got to give Vanguard another try. See for yourself how much has improved. "

Specifically the comments that the game has made "huge leaps", and "if you've played since beta, you'll know what I am talking about", and "see for yourself how much has improved" - all drivel.  All lies.

Face it folks, this is called a spin.  You are being spun.  The game is NOT better than it was in beta, but neither is it worse, it's just still broken.  It was broken in beta, broken in release, and has remained broken the entire time.  Sure, they've added some candy to the game, but nothing that makes the game more stable or that eases the pain of logging in, typing /gu "Hi All!", and getting the message: "You are not in a guild".  Sorry, but nothing else matters when your game is broken.

Thom is a corporate-level liar who has been brought in to "spin" the game and try to con people into new subscriptions.  When other games want you to come back, they send out FREE trials (ie WOW, CoH, DAoC, EQ2, and too many more to list).  When a broken game needs more money to try to hang in a little longer, they send out this nonsense.  It's how you show your shareholders an improvement - "look at me, I've only been in charge one month, and already subscriptions are up 10%".  It's garbage, and I can't stomach it anymore.

Thom, if you read this, you sir are a liar.  Your "vision" sucks.  You want to know what I would do "If I was in charge"?  I'd stop spinning BS and start fixing the game.  How would I do it?  Well, gee, I might listen to my subscribers and see the #1 complaint is the game crashes.  Then I might read some forums and specifically look at the thousands of "cancelling account" threads and see there is one theme to them all: the game still crashes.  Then I would skip the eye-candy and get the client working.... or I would announce that we can't fix it and move on.  That's what I would do "If I was in charge".

To the few people still hanging in there on those deserted servers, best of luck.  See you in Conan.

Could you post your specs friend? the only reason i ask is that if you really did play the game since beta and you have not seen a huge imporvement then you probably have tech issues and maybe some of us could help :) i have seen lots of people offer good advice when players had difficulty's.

but to any wandering if there has been improvements you could listen to me or any opposition untill your blue in the face but untill you see for yourself you will never know. i try to be honest and in my opinion the game is 300% more stable than at beta. add to that the extra content and the reworking of art like khal ( oh and before i am told it's only on test, take a look at the putposts around khal in the live game :) ) looking at all of this i am not sure how people can still say that SOE are lying etc? maybe i am just one of the so called lucky ones but another things that's strange is that the population seems to be on the increase! if the game was surely the same then wouldnt more people be leaving instead of joining?

Come on all lets keep on track...hate soe for whatever reasons but be honest and lets give them credit for actually making a diff in VG where sigil failed missearably. Yes thats right the blame lies on sigil not SOE!

I dislike SOE because they have a horrible payment system.. it sucks very badly and you know what too.

I have yet to play a decent SOE game that felt like it was well thought out.  It feels more like they force crappy games onto the user and expect you to just deal with it. 

Good thing is that you get people like me, i play what i enjoy and not soe or any other game company can make me play anything. Why do you let them force to play crappy games? just say "NO" friend :)