Originally posted by itskrude

i just hear kids and amatuers trying to discuss about things beyond them.  unless you're a representative you can't know anything about anything.  tired of the bull crap arguments about SoE.  right now they can't even touch the game.  so just shut up about it.  if some drastic change occurs then you can say i told you so and no one will care.   the game itself is good.  everyone willing to put aside biased loyalty towards whatever or resentfulness to anything else will notice that the game is good.  it's going to have it's phase where it needs big repairs just like any PC game that ever comes out. 

and jesus, everyone already knows what's been done in the past especially with SoE.  no one needs to add their 2 cents as if they really have something new to say about it.  everyone has already made up their decision about what they want to do or believe.  all that's going on now is a droning and it's not exactly making press and "getting out there" into any ears of anyone that'll make a difference.  you're whining to gaming nerds.  if you're one of those "SOE IS HORRIBLE CRAP... cause... uhh... IT"S BAD I HATE IT" or the... "WoW IS GREAT... IT"S GOT YEARS OF PATCHES BUT STILL OMGZ WHY ISN"T THIS GAME AS PERFECT" then i'm so damn glad i wont have to deal with you in game.  it's the people like you that probably piss me off while i'm grocery shopping or around a lot of people in general anywhere.

Now i wont be surprised if the first response i get after this is "your mom" joke or something else that is an attempt to be witty and sly and yet just doesn't matter or mean anything.  and while you endlessly scream hatred till blood sprays from your mouth and feed the unhappiness inside you, i'll be enjoying myself.  i might even stop to laugh at the thought of you guys.   

and i'm working up my activity on my mmorpg account just so i can give vanguard a 10 to counter all the 1's it's getting from the "it suxxorz so i gives a 1" raters.

 

Regardless of how people are going about it.  They are CORRECT. SOE doesn't deserve your dollars.  I think Sigil does.   They destroyed SWG.  I quit EQ2 due to their poor customer service.  At one time I played (4) SOE titles. Now I tried this just because SOE only recently sunk their greedy paws into it.

But I take huge comfort in knowing that WoW has blasted every single MMORPG on the market by virtue of the large playerbase they've amassed.  Doesn't matter what you or I think is better (EQ2 or WoW).  It's a fact that WoW is blowing away the competition (it's not enough CLOSE now).  Even guild wars has falled 4 million subscribers behind.

SOE will never publish a title like that.  SOE is the only gaming company I've seen outsmart themselves since Sierra published OUTPOST in the 90's.

Originally posted by vylo

Originally posted by smegil
Only reasion decided to play Vanguard is becuse SOE was not involved with the game  if they do get involved with the game then they can kiss my fee good by

Yours amongst many.  Even the most diehard fanboys will jump ship.  They know what SOE can do to a game.

You mean like what they did with EQ2, make it a lot better?

Or what they did with EQ1, take out all the stupid useless time sinks?

Originally posted by dinda156

And that shows how little you know about SWG.

Lucas Arts forced SOE to make the changes, it was not an SOE decision.

Originally posted by Laiina

Originally posted by vylo

Originally posted by smegil
Only reasion decided to play Vanguard is becuse SOE was not involved with the game  if they do get involved with the game then they can kiss my fee good by

Yours amongst many.  Even the most diehard fanboys will jump ship.  They know what SOE can do to a game.

You mean like what they did with EQ2, make it a lot better?

Or what they did with EQ1, take out all the stupid useless time sinks?

"Looking for a magical adventure?  Award-winning EverQuest is the most popular
online role-playing game on the market"

erm....what?

Oy...I followed this game for about a year in it's early development. I loved the ideas, the lore and the fact that this was supposed to change the way MMORPGs are played. I was extremely excited about this. Then I got tied up with FFXI, EQ2 and DDO and been in the dark about V:SoH. I didn't learn that SIGIL and MS split and SOE took over until November '06. 

I'm not one of the fanboy SOE haters, but I lost alot of hope for V:SoH after learning about the change. Why? First off, there's one less competitor. With SOE's hands on this game, EQ2 can (and has) become the level-quick-to-endgame-fest that WoW is, effectively killing EQ2 for me. Second, now that EQ2 isn't as successful as SOE had hoped, they would influence SIGIL devs to make V:SoH into something to try and steal away some of the WoW faithful, instead of being THE innovators of the 3rd generation of MMORPGs.

I have not played V:SoH yet, so I cannot form my own opinion on it, but I have heard and read enough to know that I will give this AT LEAST 6-8 months before I even give it a try. I learned from DDO never to buy an MMO at release. When you try to run out of the gates before you learn to walk, you are likely to fall flat on your face. It will easily take that long for me to save up enough cash to rebuild my computer just to be able to handle Vanguard anyway.

I know, I have already posted SOE sucks on this thread but after playing vanguard I feel they and Sigil have reached a new low and I am completely frustrated by the BS

So I have come back once again to proclaim SOE sucks beyond all doubt and I will never-ever even try another game that has their name on it.

thanks

Originally posted by Dento

I know, I have already posted SOE sucks on this thread but after playing vanguard I feel they and Sigil have reached a new low and I am completely frustrated by the BS

So I have come back once again to proclaim SOE sucks beyond all doubt and I will never-ever even try another game that has their name on it.

thanks

curious... did you guys never hear of NPCube / Farlan?
It would make all people at SOE saints I think...

Why is it so hard for people to understand that all of the problem with VG are SIGIL's doing, not SOE?

Microsoft dropped this game, and I figure they must have had a reason for it.

SOE is not responsible for Sigil running out of money, for the far too early release, for the several changes in development (long before SOE got involved) that ate up millions in funding, nor for the bland "all the same everywhere" scenery.

But facts do not matter to the true SOE hater I guess.

Originally posted by Laiina

Why is it so hard for people to understand that all of the problem with VG are SIGIL's doing, not SOE?

Microsoft dropped this game, and I figure they must have had a reason for it.

SOE is not responsible for Sigil running out of money, for the far too early release, for the several changes in development (long before SOE got involved) that ate up millions in funding, nor for the bland "all the same everywhere" scenery.

But facts do not matter to the true SOE hater I guess.

Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.

Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.

Originally posted by Laiina

Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.

Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Laiina

Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.

Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.

Sigil has been fairly open about the fact that they are out of money hence the early launch. SOE is now in the driver's seat because they are holding the purse strings. That's about as logical as it gets.

total pwnage...

A: Microsoft wouldn't launch a beta, if M$ wouldn't go alon with a marketing scam you KNOW you are boned.

B: SOE would

Conclusion: SOE is evil, but Brad McGay is just as evil cause they are doing what he asked, BONING YOU!

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Laiina

Originally posted by smg77

Why is it so hard for people to understand that it doesn't matter what Sigil does at this point? Now that SOE has their claws into the game it will be ruined.

For right now SOE is only responsible for the servers, tech support and marketing. We *get* that but what you don't understand is that Sigil is reliant on SOE for funding which means that SOE is in the driver's seat.

Uhm.... WILL be?

And all the problems I see with VG are all Sigil's doing, not SOE.

And how is Sigil reliant on SOE for funding?

The problem with you and so many of the SOE haters is that no amount of facts or logic will ever get past that wall of hate. Kind of like those folks that are still convinced that there are UFO's at Hanger 51.

Sigil has been fairly open about the fact that they are out of money hence the early launch. SOE is now in the driver's seat because they are holding the purse strings. That's about as logical as it gets.

total pwnage...

A: Microsoft wouldn't launch a beta, if M$ wouldn't go alon with a marketing scam you KNOW you are boned.

B: SOE would

Conclusion: SOE is evil, but Brad McGay is just as evil cause they are doing what he asked, BONING YOU!

It's the SOE fanclub against the SOE bashclub here! It makes me laugh!

Fact is that as of late ...every title that is being released under the flag of SOE lately is a failure. Dunno tho? But to me that is a pretty clear sign in how things are running over there at SOE. NOT GOOD!

I have never seen such a large amount of unhappy customers these past years as with SOE. Sure you have an amount of players that troll at every oportunity they get, but seriously tho. This large amount of unhappy customers towards SOE can't be ignored any longer!

It is a plain fact that John Smedly deserves an entry in the Guiness Book of World records as the most incompetent CEO ever! Ever since he stepped into that position things went downhill. And then I mean right down into the sewer!

It's not about Lucas Arts doing this and Sigil doing that .... it's about how bad stuff is being released under the flag of SOE as of late! The utmost deceiving marketing of SOE with their big lies trying to get every dime out of people's pockets with products not worth releasing (yet)!

If SOE and Sigil would have wanting to make a serious succes out of this game then SOE should have put in some extra dollars funding in Sigil so they could have released the game a couple of months later!!

Now a lot of people buy the game, get fed up within a couple of days, or even earlier, throw the game aside and won't look back!

We all know all too well what happened to Matrix Online. It had the greatest community ever. An awesome fanbase. Game gets released in an awefull state (just like Vanguard) and it lost its entire player base within 3 months! And I very much sense the same thing will happen to Vanguard now! There are so many bugs and game breaking stuff in it, it will take too much time for them to fix it and keep their players happy!

Everyone can dash and spit on World of Warcraft. But plain fact is that Blizzard has 8million subscribers and SOE won't even come near that amount with all their current running MMO's combined!

Vanguard had great potential. Just like Matrix Online had. Just like SWG had in its early days. It's a downright shame!

Cheers

Originally posted by deucallion
Face it friends, Vanguard is gonna go the way of Shadowbane.  It shall fade into obscurity and those of us that care to look back will just smile grimly and shake our heads.  There there now, don't cry.  Deep down we all knew it would be so.  Crashes, bugs, lag, bugs, crashes . . . we've seen it all before.  A game released before it is ready will fail.  It is inevitable.  So now that I've reminded us all of that one universal inescapable truth, we can just let that festering turd of a game lie and get back to the business of getting along again right? Good!

Originally posted by chewdog82
im sorry, but this game is horrible. the Hardware req are beyond NORMAL ppls computers. The models look like I made them in paintbrush. they basically made one of the biggest patch updates 2days before the PUBLIC release. Just look at all the ppl that say the same thing i do, and you got your conclusion. Im reallly sorry i spent the 10.00 for the beta access.