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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Forum » General Discussion » New Free to play changes to VG.

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  nolic1

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Joined: 10/01/07
Posts: 673

 
OP  1/18/13 9:40:05 AM#1
Greetings all! I thought it was about time to update everyone on what's been happening on the development side of Vanguard®. As the team returned from the holidays, we started working on fixing more of the low hanging fruit. The fruit I refer to are the bug fixes that players have asked about that we can get out quickly as we work on larger tasks in the background. Some of these things include fixes for quests, spells and abilities, and epic weapons, as well as making it take less time to earn rewards from some of the major factions in the game. There has also been some work done on crafting and diplomacy that we aren't ready to release details on yet, but we will be telling you about them in the near future. Speaking of larger tasks in the background, we have been working on something that has come up multiple times in threads on the forums. That is, how do we make it even easier for people to come back to Vanguard to see all the changes that we've been making? Well, after a lot of discussion and debate, we've decided to do something pretty awesome. We have decided to expand and improve on the free- to-play offering for Vanguard. That means everyone can play any race, any class, to any level for free. You can also own a house, create guilds, and do a bunch of other things. Why did we decide to do this? Because we all believe that once you start playing the game without restrictions, you'll want to keep playing and will find our Membership option to be an even greater value! Why? Because of the perks we are adding for your membership! Membership should be something you get on top of the game you are playing, not something you have to do to have fun. With that said, there will be increased XP and faction gains, discounts on broker fees, the ability to purchase additional housing plots, and other exciting benefits. You can see all the membership benefits here. Talk to you all again soon and see you in-game! Harvey "Rahtiz" Burgess Producer Link to new matrix and its live as of 1/17/2013 http://www.vanguardthegame.com/free.vm


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  Nadia

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1/18/13 9:43:48 AM#2
the cliffnotes: everyone can play any race, any class, to any level for free. You can also own a house, create guilds, and do a bunch of other things.
  Nadia

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1/18/13 9:45:08 AM#3
something is wrong w this sites editor - its not recognizing new lines
  Torgir

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Joined: 3/09/11
Posts: 27

1/18/13 9:58:27 AM#4
Looked great until I got to the part where I'm not allowed to use most higher than blue items as a free player. Ridiculous limitation and sadly in line with other SOE f2p titles. Now I understand that you have to make money from something but poor f2p model is a poor model. If you're planning on attractive membership benefits, please review the free player deal.
  nolic1

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Joined: 10/01/07
Posts: 673

 
OP  1/18/13 10:03:33 AM#5
http://www.vanguardthegame.com/free.vm Thats the link to the Free to play matrix Sorry but this site is not spacing things out at all.


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  kevjards

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Joined: 9/27/10
Posts: 1451

1/18/13 10:06:49 AM#6
Originally posted by Torgir
Looked great until I got to the part where I'm not allowed to use most higher than blue items as a free player. Ridiculous limitation and sadly in line with other SOE f2p titles. Now I understand that you have to make money from something but poor f2p model is a poor model. If you're planning on attractive membership benefits, please review the free player deal.

 

well here's the thing..they want you to spend a little money.also you can still get to max lvl with blues easy without spending a cent.then decide what you want to do..personally i think its a great idea
  khameleon

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Joined: 1/07/07
Posts: 374

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1/18/13 10:07:21 AM#7
Originally posted by Torgir
Looked great until I got to the part where I'm not allowed to use most higher than blue items as a free player. Ridiculous limitation and sadly in line with other SOE f2p titles. Now I understand that you have to make money from something but poor f2p model is a poor model. If you're planning on attractive membership benefits, please review the free player deal.

 

IDK, the limitation isn't that bad now. Its a shame you can't use all gear, but I am pretty sure you can still enjoy the game now for free. How they had it before was horrible, I will try it out now.

GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!

  TsaboHavoc

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Joined: 11/01/11
Posts: 340

1/18/13 10:10:13 AM#8
Originally posted by nolic1
Greetings all! I thought it was about time to update everyone on what's been happening on the development side of Vanguard®. As the team returned from the holidays, we started working on fixing more of the low hanging fruit. The fruit I refer to are the bug fixes that players have asked about that we can get out quickly as we work on larger tasks in the background. Some of these things include fixes for quests, spells and abilities, and epic weapons, as well as making it take less time to earn rewards from some of the major factions in the game. There has also been some work done on crafting and diplomacy that we aren't ready to release details on yet, but we will be telling you about them in the near future. Speaking of larger tasks in the background, we have been working on something that has come up multiple times in threads on the forums. That is, how do we make it even easier for people to come back to Vanguard to see all the changes that we've been making? Well, after a lot of discussion and debate, we've decided to do something pretty awesome. We have decided to expand and improve on the free- to-play offering for Vanguard. That means everyone can play any race, any class, to any level for free. You can also own a house, create guilds, and do a bunch of other things. Why did we decide to do this? Because we all believe that once you start playing the game without restrictions, you'll want to keep playing and will find our Membership option to be an even greater value! Why? Because of the perks we are adding for your membership! Membership should be something you get on top of the game you are playing, not something you have to do to have fun. With that said, there will be increased XP and faction gains, discounts on broker fees, the ability to purchase additional housing plots, and other exciting benefits. You can see all the membership benefits here. Talk to you all again soon and see you in-game! Harvey "Rahtiz" Burgess Producer Link to new matrix and its live as of 1/17/2013 http://www.vanguardthegame.com/free.vm

 

translation :" we improved it the freebies experience 3X but we also improved the subscriber experience 6X so the freebies will have the ilusion of "OMG!less restriction!" and them they will realize that the gap between him and the subscriber player is even greater, and guess what? NO ONE WANTS TO BE LEFT BEHIND! We also dumbed down the game further and even mention the EPIC FACTION WEAPONS are EASIER to get (OMG L33t lOOT!) so we can atract the lowest common denominator aka wowswtor player to play our game and hopéfully milk him. we also do not care if we alienate our fan base or flee from the original vision as they only hinder our holy profit. have a good day.
  jonrd463

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Joined: 6/24/09
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1/18/13 10:10:36 AM#9
Originally posted by Torgir
Looked great until I got to the part where I'm not allowed to use most higher than blue items as a free player. Ridiculous limitation and sadly in line with other SOE f2p titles. Now I understand that you have to make money from something but poor f2p model is a poor model. If you're planning on attractive membership benefits, please review the free player deal.

 

I'm curious. Knowing that any enterprise must turn a profit to exist, what would you suggest they do as a F2P model? As you said, they have to make money, so I'm wondering where the value threshold is that would make you or any reasonable person say "Alright, that's something I'm willing to pay money for."

"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous

  Torgir

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Joined: 3/09/11
Posts: 27

1/18/13 10:19:42 AM#10
Originally posted by jonrd463
Originally posted by Torgir
Looked great until I got to the part where I'm not allowed to use most higher than blue items as a free player. Ridiculous limitation and sadly in line with other SOE f2p titles. Now I understand that you have to make money from something but poor f2p model is a poor model. If you're planning on attractive membership benefits, please review the free player deal.

 

I'm curious. Knowing that any enterprise must turn a profit to exist, what would you suggest they do as a F2P model? As you said, they have to make money, so I'm wondering where the value threshold is that would make you or any reasonable person say "Alright, that's something I'm willing to pay money for."

 

There's good and bad f2p models in the current market. Personally I find the b2p model with a cosmetic CS most attractive, GW2, TSW and next month TERA. Turbine has also made a lucrative model by giving the option for cheap, customizable lifetime packages, so to say. So in my opinion a b2p Vanguard relaunch should've been at least on the table as a viable option. Again, this isn't the company line of doing things so it's probably out of the question.
  Newfr

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Joined: 10/11/06
Posts: 126

1/18/13 10:22:33 AM#11
SoE and free cookies? Nope. And VG F2P terms now are actually better then SWTOR ones so guess i'll try it.
  Benedikt

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1/18/13 10:22:51 AM#12
torgir, tsabohavoc:
*.... must .... keep .... it .... must .... not ....comment ....on their .... posts*
sorry folks I am not able to keep away from commenting, so here it is: thank you that you dont like the f2p changes. i really dont want to meet people like you in the game.

you got almost everything possible for free and you are bitching that it is not enough? give me a break
  ukkoylijumal

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Joined: 3/29/04
Posts: 8

1/18/13 10:24:06 AM#13
Well just look at DDO or lotro. Ability to unlock things permanently. Paying 5-10 bucks for content I know I can use free forever is not a bad thing. But paying everytime you find good item you want to use seems just greed to me. But that is just my opinion. I have spent more than I would have ever paid as a subscription in those games with that model.
  Betaguy

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1/18/13 10:28:09 AM#14
I tryed this game recently and uninstalled about 2 hours after. The game is not my cup of tea for these reasons: Terrible graphics, Clunky animations, slow combat, Terrible sound effects, and rubber banding.

  Mardukk

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1/18/13 10:28:55 AM#15
Originally posted by ukkoylijumal
Well just look at DDO or lotro. Ability to unlock things permanently. Paying 5-10 bucks for content I know I can use free forever is not a bad thing. But paying everytime you find good item you want to use seems just greed to me. But that is just my opinion. I have spent more than I would have ever paid as a subscription in those games with that model.

 

Oh boy, here come the DDO/Lotro people. Lotro pretty much requires you to pay once you are out of the starter area (no quests at all). In a quest hub game that's a big thing to not have. In LOTRO I quit the moment I left the starter area when I realized that mob grinding was the only way to play for free. These changes to VG are about as good as they can make it and still make some money.
  Torgir

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Joined: 3/09/11
Posts: 27

1/18/13 10:29:13 AM#16
Originally posted by Benedikt
torgir, tsabohavoc:
*.... must .... keep .... it .... must .... not ....comment ....on their .... posts*
sorry folks I am not able to keep away from commenting, so here it is: thank you that you dont like the f2p changes. i really dont want to meat people like you in the game.

you got almost everything possible for free and you are bitching that it is not enough? give me a break

 

I'm discussing this f2p model in light of competition in the market which is what I consider proper for the topic. These things do tend to get pretty personal fast and no, I'm not.
  kevjards

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Posts: 1451

1/18/13 10:31:28 AM#17
not wanting to insult people but anyone that uses the term ridiculous limitations,greed etc.should really look in the mirror..you want everything for nothing and then bitch and moan about how the game is.that is greed of the highest order.you people should not be allowed near games has you serve no purpose to the community or the game itself.it costs millions to make these games and your asked to part with a few bucks.have to this is what gaming has turned into these days..a bunch of freeloaders.
  TsaboHavoc

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Joined: 11/01/11
Posts: 340

1/18/13 10:34:07 AM#18
Originally posted by Torgir
Originally posted by Benedikt
torgir, tsabohavoc:
*.... must .... keep .... it .... must .... not ....comment ....on their .... posts*
sorry folks I am not able to keep away from commenting, so here it is: thank you that you dont like the f2p changes. i really dont want to meat people like you in the game.

you got almost everything possible for free and you are bitching that it is not enough? give me a break

 

I'm discussing this f2p model in light of competition in the market which is what I consider proper for the topic. These things do tend to get pretty personal fast and no, I'm not.

 

im not complaining of f2p restrictions (also i dislike any like "f2P" model), what i dislike is hipocrisy and greed.
  Aeonblades

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1/18/13 10:34:46 AM#19
Sorry Vanguard, I had high hopes from the beginning, but years of neglect can't be made up for by a very badly done B2P model. When are you people gonna realize that no one can play the game with the stupid limitations you set? It's like how on EQ I tried the F2P version, you can't even get enough money to buy gear because of coin limitations. Crap like that has no place if you want F2P to work.

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  Torgir

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Posts: 27

1/18/13 10:39:02 AM#20
Originally posted by kevjards
not wanting to insult people but anyone that uses the term ridiculous limitations,greed etc.should really look in the mirror..you want everything for nothing and then bitch and moan about how the game is.that is greed of the highest order.you people should not be allowed near games has you serve no purpose to the community or the game itself.it costs millions to make these games and your asked to part with a few bucks.have to this is what gaming has turned into these days..a bunch of freeloaders.

 

Oh come on, now you're just trolling. This isn't the point - the point is that we're talking about a f2p model. There's two options to play: free or the traditional subscription. As there are currently some very viable f2p/b2p solutions, it's a valid argument to question the validity of such f2p model where the free component is lacking. It's not even lacking much: as per my first post, I'm speaking of one feature that strikes me as misplaced. There's hardly need to get your blood pressure into the danger zone for this.
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