Originally posted by Fangrim

Originally posted by kevjards

Nice to see the OP is enjoying the game..it is fantastic.And so much to explore,played it for 2 yrs solid and only reason i left was lack of support from SOE.thats not saying SOE were bad.they did really good stablizing this game and getting it playable.looking forward to f2p as well so i can head back there.bt far the best mmo i ever played and will play.nobody will ever take a risk and make something loke this again.i believe that archeage is goin to be similar,not sure but it wont have asmuch variety in classes.thats for sure.

I heard there are 120 different class combinations in Archeage,each with thier own name picked by the players.Wether they do this and change the names by western choices is yet to be seen so I think classes will be fine in AA.I too will go back to VG when its F2P and will probably subscribe again.I went back there for 1 month but decided to cancel my sub because I had no one to group with at low level and I like to do as many quests as possible.

As long as it isnt anything like the 'variations' that Rift offered. Cheap multiclassing trash. Give me a well defined class with real soul and careful creation over that crap anyday.

Any single class in Vanguard is a billion times more interesting than all four soul trees in Rift combined.

MAN i wish VG went f2p a year ago.  it's crazy that they are doing it THIS summer with all the other games coming out.  just bad timing on soe's part.  i really want to get in to this game but with D3, TSW, Tera, and GW2 all happening at the same time it is going to be hard.

 

Do you have to SPAM for groups?

 

As long as it isnt anything like the 'variations' that Rift offered. Cheap multiclassing trash. Give me a well defined class with real soul and careful creation over that crap anyday.

Any single class in Vanguard is a billion times more interesting than all four soul trees in Rift combined.

 

I agree.I beta tested Rift for 3 hours and got to level 10 then saw how 'awesome' the crafting was and never went back.

As soon as VG goes free to play I will return with a vengence. Glad to here you are enjoying yourself OP. Your review reminded me of my own experiances the first time I played it. Like you I was late to the party.

Cant wait for it to go FTP!

Originally posted by VultureSkull

What surprises me is that no producer/softwarehouse looked at Vangard and said we should copy it.

Instead they copy Wow and the likes and there are a 100 and 1 of those type of games, Aion , Rift, GW, SWTOR, etc etc are essentially skins of the same game, that is why I for one get tried of them after a month or so.

But nothing else with the depth of play as Vanguard.

It there was then perhaps Sony would have realised what a gem they had and given it a bit more love. Oh well I think once it goes F2P these devs will open their eyes and realise that there is a massive market out here that craves for a indepth fantasy MMO.

Who is going to fund a game based on a game that had less than 25k subscribers *after* it was fixed up and playable?

 

Sony gave Vanguard plenty of love over its first 2 years, but people kept jumping ship and they were losing too much money to keep investing n a game that showed no signs of success at all despite strong word of mouth.   People have this impression the the population left because the game was abandoned, but the reality is the game was abandoned because the population left.

 

Whats surprising is that no one has even made an attempt to copy EQ, the only game similar in feel is VG and thats due largely to McQuaid.  The grouping mechanics in EQ are still the best in the business.

Originally posted by teakbois
  People have this impression the the population left because the game was abandoned, but the reality is the game was abandoned because the population left..

This is utter nonsense.

Development was slow,  decisions to merger servers was slow, the refusal to do anything at all with pvp, Silius himself many times commented on Sony putting him and his teams onto other projects.   The very fact that its the last mmo to be converted to f2p is evidence of the fact.   It should have been the first.  I could go on and on.

The community were die hard, and your comment spits in their faces.

 

Vangaurd is now dusty and old, I loved it, but now I look at it and its a sad witherd mmo showing signs of being hacked, modded patched and alterd from different devs that were rotated in and out of the product for years.

 

I've good memories of Vangaurd,  and thats where they will stay.

 

 

Originally posted by sadeyx

Originally posted by teakbois
  People have this impression the the population left because the game was abandoned, but the reality is the game was abandoned because the population left..

This is utter nonsense.

Development was slow,  decisions to merger servers was slow, the refusal to do anything at all with pvp, Silius himself many times commented on Sony putting him and his teams onto other projects.   The very fact that its the last mmo to be converted to f2p is evidence of the fact.   It should have been the first.  I could go on and on.

The community were die hard, and your comment spits in their faces.

 

Vangaurd is now dusty and old, I loved it, but now I look at it and its a sad witherd mmo showing signs of being hacked, modded patched and alterd from different devs that were rotated in and out of the product for years.

 

I've good memories of Vangaurd,  and thats where they will stay.

 

 

The utter nonsence is really utter nonsence.

I think the poster above was right. Thousands here on mmorpg.com alone had tried Vanguard, loved it and left for population reasons alone.

It's SOE's fault and theirs alone for lack of advertisement. It's SOE's responsibility and SOE's alone for not trying to bring players back all at once. They never even tried. Up until just a year ago SOE would give past players free time. Yet they would never tell anyone.  You would have to at randomly log into your station pass to notice it.

EVEN SO, THEY ONLY OFFERED THIS TO THE SAME PAST PLAYERS, OVER AND OVER AGAIN !!!!!

A rally to bring in players would be the responsibility of one source, and that would have to be SOE. Random followers of Vanguard here or any where else can not do this effectively....Sorry this is just a fact...SOE must do this and never did, in fact SOE NEVER REALLY DID ANYTHING. or at least anything that would cost them extra marketing money.

SOE sucks !!!!

None of SOE's games are marketed in England.Even EQ2,after I had bought the original version and then the 1st expansion they didn't even sell future expansions in game shops.I am guessing its like this all over europe.Simply terrible to do this to imop great games while lesser games get overhyped and more players.Really sad.

One of the best MMOS, one of the best communities. Who's waiting for VG becoming F2P here ? i'm waiting for the relaunch of one of the last real mmo. SOE please hurry, VG needs more players . 

Sylvarii,

Just Jumping in here to give you a /hat tip for your sig.  Any referance to Tad Williams is indication of a true sage.

For myself, toss me a Jordan or Williams book over a video game any day.

Sadly the only big name mmo i have never tried...dont know why..

I will be one of the new players when it goes F2P, I enjoy massive worlds immensly.  Lets hope it comes out before GW2 release or you may not see me on VSH.  

Great game, played it at launch and was astonished by it's depth and scale. Had to cancel because of performance issues..

Came back when they added the Newbie Isle and free trial (had a new PC then), and since it ran ok, I subbed and got hooked. I convinced a couple friends to give it a shot and we ended playing for 5+months (which is long for some of them with short attention span..). Group dynamic is fun for people who like to have a specific role (trinity), and all the various system (crafting, diplo,etc.) are great fun and give you lots of different things to do aside from "adventuring" .

Building my first boat was very satisfying! It's still my best "crafting moment" in any game. (Have to go through a long quest to learn how to do each parts,etc.).

Count me in on the "I'll join back when it's F2P!" crowd. Awsome game that has the "mmo roots" that made me fell in love with the genre in the first place.

Originally posted by blaster101

Great game, played it at launch and was astonished by it's depth and scale. Had to cancel because of performance issues..

Came back when they added the Newbie Isle and free trial (had a new PC then), and since it ran ok, I subbed and got hooked. I convinced a couple friends to give it a shot and we ended playing for 5+months (which is long for some of them with short attention span..). Group dynamic is fun for people who like to have a specific role (trinity), and all the various system (crafting, diplo,etc.) are great fun and give you lots of different things to do aside from "adventuring" .

Building my first boat was very satisfying! It's still my best "crafting moment" in any game. (Have to go through a long quest to learn how to do each parts,etc.).

Count me in on the "I'll join back when it's F2P!" crowd. Awsome game that has the "mmo roots" that made me fell in love with the genre in the first place.

Why did u wrote that?? Know i have an urge to go play this game...damn...i cant be spending money on every game....

My fondest memories are from level 1-49. The quests and dungeons were well thought out and fun for the most part. When I hit level 50 and had to grind 5 more levels through grinding a gabillion mobs for armor and weapons I cancelled my account and moved on.

 

After level 50 game severly went down hill "fun factor" for me and I realized since Silius was turning adventuring into crafting ( a got damn grind fest) it was far from its' original design. I hope F2P brings life into the game and gives it funds in order to progress in a different direction than what Silius has given it.

Depends on how much they hose it up with F2P.

If it's like EQ2's model it won't do anything - if it's closer to DCOU or AO's it'll do okay.

Originally posted by Tortanic

Depends on how much they hose it up with F2P.

If it's like EQ2's model it won't do anything - if it's closer to DCOU or AO's it'll do okay.

 

To be honest, I think the major thing F2P will accomplish is getting some of the older generation MMO enthisuasts into the game to try it. Most people just won't try Vanguard for a subscription fee with all the bad press and history of unplayability from Beta to release. Once they do I am pretty sure the type of player who likes the older template of MMO's will sub. The younger players who require the dazzle of the modern themepark and the requirement to have everything spelled out for them/handed to them will complain for a little while and leave. This game has a target market within the genre, but it most likely will not be for everyone.

Any plans for graphics update? i tried it like a year ago and it was painful to look at. graphics so old looking, they needed to be carbon dated...sorry, but i just cant play an mmo these days with ancient graphics