Recently I resubbed to Vanguard.

I tried the new star wars game, was very bored, very quickly, just not my sort of thing. World didn't feel real, just a series of studio sets with no real life. Don't get me wrong, they did a good job of the game, just found it dull.

VG, whilst cursed and forgotten, still appeals to me and I missed it.

Anyone still playing, say hi to Whitetalon in game.

Agreed.  98% of games that have come out in the last 7+ years have no life to them.  Currently I play both Wurm Online and Rift.  I play Rift because my better half also plays plus at least the mobs hunt you down...lol, which helps give the game a little life.  Wurm...not sure why I play it, just can't seen to stop.  Vanguard does have it's appeal but still greatly bugged.  It has many great features I wish a AAA Dev would introduce into a well develope game. (I suspect if Trion would implement features that VG has like its' crafting, combos, fishing tech, housing, etc, it would only help to improve their subs).  With that said, I feel VG has missed its' window a hundred time over and nothing short of every Dev shutting down their game with save it.

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Going F2P did wonders for ' Fallen Earth' and it wasn't designed with the AAA heritage.

Going F2P has worked miracles on a few titles with flagging interest - Dungeons & Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Champions Online, City of Heroes/Villains, DC Universe Online

F2P would improve Vanguard's numbers, yeah, but...

No, I don't see how this is a good game to RP in, there's no body to play with but yourself so what's the point?

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Going F2P did wonders for ' Fallen Earth' and it wasn't designed with the AAA heritage.

Fallen Earth is a relatively new title. Vanguard is a dinosaur

Originally posted by Storman1977

Going F2P has worked miracles on a few titles with flagging interest - Dungeons & Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Champions Online, City of Heroes/Villains, DC Universe Online

True, but I'm not sure how exactly they could go ftp. I mean, you can't buy content in a non-instanced world, I doubt cosmetics alone would pay for any substantial development, a pay to win model would destroy the game - maybe the buying of playable races - but I think even that would provide limited funding. I don't know, I hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Going F2P did wonders for ' Fallen Earth' and it wasn't designed with the AAA heritage.

Fallen Earth is a relatively new title. Vanguard is a dinosaur

Dinosaur suggests it would have outdated graphics or something.

As it hasnt, I fail to see your point. Vanguard is 5 years old - and was a hardware hog back then and still benefits from better hardware now.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Going F2P did wonders for ' Fallen Earth' and it wasn't designed with the AAA heritage.

Fallen Earth is a relatively new title. Vanguard is a dinosaur

Dinosaur suggests it would have outdated graphics or something.

As it hasnt, I fail to see your point. Vanguard is 5 years old - and was a hardware hog back then and still benefits from better hardware now.

That was one of the massive issues at launch, the fact Vanguard's graphics & engine were way ahead of the curve.  It still brings unique innovations to the table, unseen in other MMOs.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Going F2P did wonders for ' Fallen Earth' and it wasn't designed with the AAA heritage.

Fallen Earth is a relatively new title. Vanguard is a dinosaur

Dinosaur suggests it would have outdated graphics or something.

As it hasnt, I fail to see your point. Vanguard is 5 years old - and was a hardware hog back then and still benefits from better hardware now.

Are you seriously trying to tell me, the reason it was/is a hardware hog back then and still causes performance issues for people is because it has superior graphics?

I would like to have some of that cool-aid you have been drinking

Partly yes.  The clouds, lighting and shadowing are still better than any I have seen.  The detailed environment and viewing distance are also pretty much unparalleled from what I have seen.

Couple that with the coding issues and there you have it. 

It's Ice Blue Kool-Aid FYI.

Originally posted by Starpower

I would like to have some of that cool-aid you have been drinking

I really grow weary of this internet tradition of using insults instead of knowing anything.

Yes Vanguard still looks great even to current standards. Especially the sight when using flying mounts are breathtaking. If you dont believe it, like it, whatever - I dont give a damn.

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Doubt it as well, but not for your reason...

Look at EQ2, how 'unpleasant' the 'Free2Play' is made. You MUST buy/sub to enjoy playing is. If the same thing is done with vanguard (most likely, we're talking SOE here), then most potential players will not enjoy the 'grind' as Vanguard has it now and go for EQ2 instead.

Originally posted by Reizla

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Keep in mind if  Vanguard goes F2P, it could have 100k new players virtually overnight. Despite the ill treatment it has received, it is one of the best kept secrets going in the  MMORPG realm.

I doubt that

Vanguard is a good game but switching to F2P this late in the game won't create the big hoopla everybody is hoping for

It's too little too late. Better than nothing but don't expect a complete turnaround

Doubt it as well, but not for your reason...

Look at EQ2, how 'unpleasant' the 'Free2Play' is made. You MUST buy/sub to enjoy playing is. If the same thing is done with vanguard (most likely, we're talking SOE here), then most potential players will not enjoy the 'grind' as Vanguard has it now and go for EQ2 instead.

That is the problem with SOE, they're still trying to hang on to a defunct quasi-subscription model. They need to get rid of that model altogether and look at Fallen Earth and Runes of Magic for examples.

If $o€ actually came up with a good Free to Play model this game could have a massive revival for old EQ fans. In its current state, the game is fantastic, it just doesnt have the players to support the world. The few people willing to try it again just leave because the world is empty, and Vanguard isnt designed for an empty world.

But lets be honest, its $o€ here. They will come up with the most money grabbing plan they can. They will lock classes, races, bag slots, money caps, access to mounts for 'premium' content, which will put everyone off a week into the relaunch.

At least NCSoft has realised that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. SoE could take a leaf out of their book, make everything already in the game accessable to everyone. Thats right, all the content. Then make your money on fluff mounts, appearance gear and convenience items.

But they wont, they will segregate the community and make everyone roll their eyes at the level of incompetance and greed they have.... because to them, what should really be called a 'very limited free trial with heavy penalties' counts as 'free to play'.

Yes, free to play as a gimp compared to 'premium' players, because thats fun for everyone. I wonder why they dont stay and spend money in the cash shop?

Originally posted by evilastro

If $o€ actually came up with a good Free to Play model this game could have a massive revival for old EQ fans. In its current state, the game is fantastic, it just doesnt have the players to support the world. The few people willing to try it again just leave because the world is empty, and Vanguard isnt designed for an empty world.

But lets be honest, its $o€ here. They will come up with the most money grabbing plan they can. They will lock classes, races, bag slots, money caps, access to mounts for 'premium' content, which will put everyone off a week into the relaunch.

At least NCSoft has realised that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. SoE could take a leaf out of their book, make everything already in the game accessable to everyone. Thats right, all the content. Then make your money on fluff mounts, appearance gear and convenience items.

But they wont, they will segregate the community and make everyone roll their eyes at the level of incompetance and greed they have.... because to them, what should really be called a 'very limited free trial with heavy penalties' counts as 'free to play'.

Yes, free to play as a gimp compared to 'premium' players, because thats fun for everyone. I wonder why they dont stay and spend money in the cash shop?

Yep. Thats SOE for sure.  They have to use every duplicitous trick in the book first, which is what ruined them in the first place -- dishonesty.

Originally posted by Ribas363

Partly yes.  The clouds, lighting and shadowing are still better than any I have seen.  The detailed environment and viewing distance are also pretty much unparalleled from what I have seen.

Couple that with the coding issues and there you have it. 

The game was poorly optimized even admitted by Brad himself (go google his 'post mortem' blog comments). SoE has spent the last few years trying to fix the code to make the game as playable as it is today. Even today It has issues. Even today people suggest you buy a SSD to run it hitch free. It has absoutely nothing to do with its "incredible" graphics.

I get you guys are fans of the game to the point where you let it blind you from the truth. The truth is you are fans of a game that is still to this day poorly coded resulting in performance issues even on new computers. It's pretty well documented on the official forums.