Best game since Everquest but forgotten by SOE because of who knows why....

Me and my friends hope for a renaissance of this game. It has the depth and warmth of the old Everquest for us.

Time to wake up SOE and start working at this pearl !!!

I would certainly buy it.

Best MMO I've played in a very long while.

While I don't believe it will happen, I'd be signing up if it did.  That game had a lot done right and a lot done wrong.  As it is now, it's a good game, but if they do anything, it will be to take the lessons learned from it and apply it to a new title.  Who knows though, maybe the IP will survive.

This game was awesome, I played for 9 months in beta then a year after launch and I have gone back time to time. They should rerelease this game and pay more attention to it. SOE only picked it up and let it rot because they didn't want anything to rival thier precious eq2.

This game was so good. Hell if they just make it free to play that would breath life into it once more. Even after all this time almost 5 years after it was released it is still here.

Originally posted by jimmytrouser

Vanguard is an excellent game.  It brings fun exploration, exciting combat and good graphics into the MMORPG genre; which is something that has been forgotten since EQ2.

 

The reason I think why Vanguard will not be updated and brought back into the limelight is due to the old engine and due to the casual player base that now seems to occupy games developer’s minds when inventing a new game.  There is more money in the casual market and F2P market (and no I do not think Vanguard would ever go F2P as the game is not designed for that format.)

 

Vanguard’s biggest plus is its biggest flaw: the game does not hold your hand and encourages exploration.  The majority of players, the casual player, want to be a hero that is told where to go and what to do; Vanguard does none of these things, it is up to the player.

 

However, I see many posts written by people who are not casual and many posts written by those from a more ‘old school’ or ‘traditionalist gamer’ perspective: those liking sandbox games as opposed to theme park games.  But the fact this type of ‘sandbox gamer’ is called ‘old school’ or ‘traditionalist gamer’ points towards their choice of game being in the past.

 

The developers want more money because games cost more money to develop and casual games bring in more money due to a larger playerbase of the casusal gamer.

 

I would suggest that Skyrim actually breaks the mould in modern gaming as it is rich in game-play as it is deep in content.  Just my opinion mind; I have played Morrowind and Oblivion and I think Skyrim is a mixture of the two games.

 

I don’t think the MMORPG games will change until the next generation of consoles (new Xbox etc) are released. 

 

Stay with me for a moment...I think the PC gaming generation has been debauched by the console generation of gaming; as developers makes more money from casual easy games on consoles.

 

Thus, until the console generation is reinvented the PC gaming generation will not change; essentially as console gaming become more advanced, deep and intricate –due to better technology and memory capacity of the consoles- the gamers become more aware of deeper and more innovative games, and MMORPG will be able to be more complex because – hate to say it – the console gamer rules the market.

 

Think of it... it is always the lowest common denominator that controls the flow of things; if more people want 'flashy-easy-games' then that is what is made.  Until console games deviate more from 'flashy-easy-games' and make games like Skyrim (deep, rich and innovative), the PC gaming genre (especially MMORPGs) will suffer.

 

I am not shunning or belittling console gaming or gamers as I am one myself – but the console platform is what is stopping games reaching their true potential due to hardware restrictions.

 

Sorry to hijack your thread with my subjective comments, but I feel it is relevant as Vanguard is one of the most AMAZING games I have ever played and feel there is a reason it is not flourishing.

 

Please feel free to comment on my views I openly welcome it.

 

 

 

Vanguard was FAR better back in beta than it was at release. 

If they stayed true to the game as it was a full year before it was released, it would have taken the world by storm.

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If they had the budget for 3 months that they had during development you could see some really big changes even as it is now, but you will never see that.

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I loved vanguard in the early betas.   It was VERY different than it ended up at release and beyond.

Originally posted by Portland

Best game since Everquest but forgotten by SOE because of who knows why....

 

Because despite any efforts to fix up Sigil's disaster, people stopped playing.  SoE got tired of losing money on it.

Originally posted by Portland

Best game since Everquest but forgotten by SOE because of who knows why....

Me and my friends hope for a renaissance of this game. It has the depth and warmth of the old Everquest for us.

 

Time to wake up SOE and start working at this pearl !!!

Keep dreaming. If Vanguard can not generate enough interest to get more players SOE wouldn't sink any money into it. Not every  company has deep pockets like SquareEnix to keep funding an almost dead game in hope that it will turn around.

Originally posted by Portland

 

Thank you all :)

 

For me its just sad to see how SOE handles this Diamond, it could have been far better than Everquest 2 with the right developement. SOE put all their resources to EQ2 which is now Free to play...... i think that was a mistake.

Lets see 150k+ stable population or

under 50k and shrinking 

Im amazed at how people think that a) SoE should have devoted more resources to a game that showed zero signs of ever turning a profit with those resources

and b) F2P for EQ2 was done because of failure

At the time LOTRO went f2p it was the #3 western MMO.  Heck, eq2 is probably number 4 right now in western subs behind WoW, EvE and Rift

Originally posted by Portland

Best game since Everquest but forgotten by SOE because of who knows why....

Me and my friends hope for a renaissance of this game. It has the depth and warmth of the old Everquest for us.

 

Time to wake up SOE and start working at this pearl !!!

I agree but give us back our faction server.  SOE is too wishy washy with things like goblins and paladins grouping - it's like they never read a single novel or played the old DnD game back in the day - which is where all this came from.  Or hey, Lord of the Rings, imagine the hobbits and orcses hanging out. Yeah right. 

I want the faction server back...and I'd be there in a heart beat.  Toss in some siege warfare and a third realm and you'd have a million players. 

In reality, however, it's just too late.  Too many folks just won't touch something that's stung them over and over again.  In my opinion, someone needs to buy games like Dark Age of Camelot and Vanguard Saga of Heroes - and just re-release a touched up product.  I dare to dream.

Originally posted by Beacker

 SOE only picked it up and let it rot because they didn't want anything to rival thier precious eq2.

 

Yeah, because someone else was willing to sink all that money into that turd?  NO ONE would have published VG if not for SoE.  The game was a poorly coded disaster.

I still remember back when V:SOH was going to be my next major MMORPG after EQ2 similar to how SW:TOR is set to be my next major MMO after WoW and when I joined a pre-release guild for this game and had some of the best online gaming experiences of my life with those guys.  We had an active guild forum in addition to an IRC chat channel that we stayed logged into at all hours of the day to just chat or coordinate gaming sessions in Neverwinter Nights, other MMORPGs, or even some online PnP Dungeons and Dragons.

Ironic how I never ended up actually playing Vanguard with them.  I wasn't able to get a PC that could play Vanguard until around 2008.  When I tried it, the guild was long dead.  Despite this, I still maintained contact with most of them through a website set up as an extremely loose gaming community where we all kept tabs on one another.  They dabbed in Age of Conan a bit, but the guild leader decided to form another pre-release guild for Rift.  Even though I given no indication that I would join them in Rift, I was given honorary membership and thus an invite to Rift's alpha test when the guild was selected through the guild beta program.  Shortly before Rift launched, I pretty much fell off the map.  Though I eventually picked up a retailcopy of Rift, I did not join them in retail as I had in beta.  Instead, I pretty much fell off the map and played here and there whenever I had some free time.  I ended up hitting level 50 over the summer and haven't made much progress since.  Last I checked, the guild leader disbanded the guild due to increasing family commitments, but I'm not sure if the guild itself is dead or if it's just under new leadership.  I'm afraid I don't even know what server they're on.

If Vanguard were to go F2P and F2P attracted a large audience, I would be back in an instant.  That game is every bit what I hoped it would be.  Sans a hefty amount of technical issues at launch and for a time afterwards, I think the game could have been something special.  It's easy to see the love and care the developers had for the world of Telon upon logging in, and it's just sad to see the game so desolate.

Personally I have lost hope about Vanguard ...

Last weekend I didnt even had the motivation to log in.

The weekend before that I did a "/who all count" on Telon and for the first time ever it worked - only 160 people on (usually you have to specify level ranges to get the total count because even with "count" /who will not count more than 200 entries). Checked out Halgar and there where 3 people on (including my own toon).

Granted, I never have much motivation to play around xmas. Too much else going on. But Vanguard, I think I can pretty much cancel my subscription and forget about it.

My best hope about a new exciting MMO right now is actually Brad McQuaid doing another MMO project somewhen around 2020.

Wasn't this game supposed to get a major content patch anytime "soon" back in September?

Originally posted by centkin

Vanguard was FAR better back in beta than it was at release. 

If they stayed true to the game as it was a full year before it was released, it would have taken the world by storm.

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If they had the budget for 3 months that they had during development you could see some really big changes even as it is now, but you will never see that.

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I loved vanguard in the early betas.   It was VERY different than it ended up at release and beyond.

Very curious about this... what was VG like in the early betas ? I was in beta ( 3-4 months before launch i think ) but that was about it.

I am curious what it was like much earlier than that. Vanguard still is one of the best MMOs I have ever played and I do go back often ( that and DDO are my mainstays pretty much )

Originally posted by Adamantine

Personally I have lost hope about Vanguard ...

Last weekend I didnt even had the motivation to log in.

The weekend before that I did a "/who all count" on Telon and for the first time ever it worked - only 160 people on (usually you have to specify level ranges to get the total count because even with "count" /who will not count more than 200 entries). Checked out Halgar and there where 3 people on (including my own toon).

Granted, I never have much motivation to play around xmas. Too much else going on. But Vanguard, I think I can pretty much cancel my subscription and forget about it.

 

My best hope about a new exciting MMO right now is actually Brad McQuaid doing another MMO project somewhen around 2020.

I logged in recently also ( after my Skyrim bonanza ) and i think most folks were playing Skyrim as my Guild Leader mentioned ( it was pretty dead ) 

My guess is it picks back up in Februrary when the paint starts to wear off TOR and people are done with Skyrim. Could be a good spring in Telon.

Originally posted by allegria

Originally posted by Adamantine

Personally I have lost hope about Vanguard ...

Last weekend I didnt even had the motivation to log in.

The weekend before that I did a "/who all count" on Telon and for the first time ever it worked - only 160 people on (usually you have to specify level ranges to get the total count because even with "count" /who will not count more than 200 entries). Checked out Halgar and there where 3 people on (including my own toon).

Granted, I never have much motivation to play around xmas. Too much else going on. But Vanguard, I think I can pretty much cancel my subscription and forget about it.

 

My best hope about a new exciting MMO right now is actually Brad McQuaid doing another MMO project somewhen around 2020.

I logged in recently also ( after my Skyrim bonanza ) and i think most folks were playing Skyrim as my Guild Leader mentioned ( it was pretty dead ) 

My guess is it picks back up in Februrary when the paint starts to wear off TOR and people are done with Skyrim. Could be a good spring in Telon.

i installed Skyrim and 2 hours later de-installed it. i almost felt asleep while playing it. i just cant play single player games anymore......

I would play singleplayer games but the copy protection of them is going so rampantly insane that I just dont feel like it anymore.

Besides, nobody is doing any games like Baldurs Gate or Vampire: Bloodlines anymore, anyway. We get crippled and incomplete games like Dragon Age: Origins, where you can only actually play the game if you download tons of stuff from the internet, buy tons of crappy DLCs, and facebook yourself on EAs crappy websites.

No thank you.

SWTOR isnt much better. Again my password is invalid on swtor.com. I interpreted this as a symbolic sign - I should better stay away from that game. I already didnt believed it would be a great MMO in the first place, and now people start complaining about the story quality too.