im thinking we might take an even bigger hit on player population after this next round of releases, I know alot of vg players that are going to go swtor,... this might be the end for vg =(

Players need to divorce themselves of the idea that just because one game, a new game comes out, that everything else will take a hit. Some games my temporarily take a hit if they share the same type demographic of players but we need to look at the larger picture.

The people who are playing Vanguard are playing vanguard because it's "Vangaurd".

this doesn't mitigate the idea that they might play other games but vanguard is what it is and offers something different than all the new games coming out.

Secondly, this game is not being kept alive to compete wiht other games per se. It's being kept alive to enrich the offerings of Sony's station pass.

It's part of a larger whole. Once Sony has no more use for it or wants to discontinue any support then they will cancel it.

regardless of what games are on the horizon.

Originally posted by dazedconfuse
Vg will be fine.

vg is not fine now.. you think we will be ok when we lose even more?

Originally posted by markonam

vg is not fine now.. you think we will be ok when we lose even more?

There is nothing releasing anytime soon that would give a VG player an experience similar to VG so I think you are safe. Once the VG players try TOR and see how similar it is to WoW or the other games trying to copy it's success, they will most likely head right back to playing VG.

VG has also been on autopilot for over a year now so it's not like they are having to spend any money on maintaining status quo. Even if they lose a few subs for the first month or two of the big releases, they should be ok.

Originally posted by Murashu

Originally posted by markonam

vg is not fine now.. you think we will be ok when we lose even more?

There is nothing releasing anytime soon that would give a VG player an experience similar to VG so I think you are safe. Once the VG players try TOR and see how similar it is to WoW or the other games trying to copy it's success, they will most likely head right back to playing VG.

 

VG has also been on autopilot for over a year now so it's not like they are having to spend any money on maintaining status quo. Even if they lose a few subs for the first month or two of the big releases, they should be ok.

Agreed for the exact reason.

The fallout regarding SWTOR will be fun to watch- those that want to play it as a third installment of KoTOR are going to be really pissed off when they have to group with other people to push the story; those that want to play it as a modern hack & slash MMO will be irritated by all of the story elements that interrupt their hacking & slashing; and of course PvPers will be all kinds of pissed off about MMO combat, gear discrpancies, OP classes and all of the other bits that come along with PvPing in a MMORPG.

My GF's son is selling Trail's End popcorn for scouts atm and you know I'll be getting some ready when all the SWTOR hate threads start really popping (pre-release hate threads are tame in comparison).

It's only my guess, as the same with everyone has one

SWTOR - Will end up as an in detail single player game.  Sorry too many cut scenes, too much story lines.  If your a Star Wars fan you will love it, but it will end up NOT being a fun mmorpg.

GW2- Again just a guess. The original release will be disappointingly short, and the next expansion will be released within weeks waiting for you to pay top dollar.

Than as always, everyone will be scrambling for an mmo to play all over again.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Players need to divorce themselves of the idea that just because one game, a new game comes out, that everything else will take a hit. Some games my temporarily take a hit if they share the same type demographic of players but we need to look at the larger picture.

The people who are playing Vanguard are playing vanguard because it's "Vangaurd".

this doesn't mitigate the idea that they might play other games but vanguard is what it is and offers something different than all the new games coming out.

Secondly, this game is not being kept alive to compete wiht other games per se. It's being kept alive to enrich the offerings of Sony's station pass.

It's part of a larger whole. Once Sony has no more use for it or wants to discontinue any support then they will cancel it.

regardless of what games are on the horizon.

I highly doubt it.

It might survive, but frankly it would just be prolonging the inevitable. The game has 500 players at most, it has been on it's last legs for quite some time (imho).

Well, I am definitely going to play SW:TOR.

If for nothing else, simply to see the possibly last true Bioware game ever made. ME2 and DA2 already have been messengers of things to come.

So, before EA finally converts Bioware to a trash game generator, I want to see the legend one last time.

A betatester already spoilert me that SW:TOR is little much else than a WoW in space, and thats bad. But it will have Bioware quality storytelling, and thats always a great thing to have.

Originally posted by Kost

I highly doubt it.

It might survive, but frankly it would just be prolonging the inevitable. The game has 500 players at most, it has been on it's last legs for quite some time (imho).

I havnt seen 500 on in a LONG time.. thats why im worried when other hard core players are talking about trying these other games, should they not come back it would be a huge hit.

I'm still completely confused as to why this game hasn't gone freemium. People seem to be falling for the BS concept, so maybe that would save this game a lot of people have forgotten/don't remember.

We need to band together and get Smedley to do something with Vanguard. Go on the Vanguard facebook page and post his email and lets take a stand about getting more devs and content and maybe even F2P.

His email is here jsmedley@soe.sony.com  

Email him all you Vanguard fans. Let's take a stand. Get this email out on the Vanguard/soe Facebook page for all those to see and tell them to start the resistance!

even though a huge fan, sad truth is that it doesn't deserve to survive..

I used to claim they should be marketing it more, that somehow this was one out of many factors leading to the continuation of its sad state..it is not i have come to think..this is a complex, group oriented, immensely huge yet non hand holding MMO..in an era of Rift, post cata WoW, etc..am using themeparks on purpose, as it doesn't offer PvP..So when by now, sadly or happily, that's opinion, we have come to those being the norm, you make a choice..either you keep Vanguard as it was and watch it fall, or change it..reduce the difficulty of mobs, so its no longer group oriented..find ways to delude players into a feeling of having your hands held..design a couple of quests per region that allow npcs to teleport you (and back) to areas within the same map yet off the trail to show you why huge can be nice..and so on..and most of all, and this is a whole chapter onto its own, fix that damn UI..a customer 'may' download addons, but a customer sure retains that negative first look from a huge UI with minimal functionality and almost zero customisation..a bad start right there..first impressions are that for a reason.

Again, you or i may love it as it is..or not..thats opinion..but games are business and businesses run on target groups..current target group, the MMO one, sees more reasons to shy away from this one than stay. And even if you agree with me, even though your opinion may differ on a personal level, do you know why this cannot be? Because just like SWG, we are gonna have everybody, including those that never played it, whining about post NGE equivalents, and Der Smed (whom i detest) ruining their game..as if right now they are playing it..which they are not..human nature at its finest. And this DOES go into consideration..they don't dare do an "NGE" equivalent in Vanguard, precisely because people will whine..so it will stay like that, until..well..  :)

And if you think i am wrong,or too harsh, just pay attention to all the whining going on here,for games people play,and just as much for games they don't, and as such have no right posting on..if this site is a good indicator of the average gamer..i find myself justified..SOE may have started their vicious circle all on their own, but this one is on the customer base as much as on them.

I dont think its just Vanguard, but the whole of SOE.

SWG is closing, DCUO didnt work and is going F2P. SOE need to do something cos they cant be making much money from the die hard EQ/EQ2/Vanguard players.....will SOE survive?

Originally posted by stragen001

I dont think its just Vanguard, but the whole of SOE.

 

SWG is closing, DCUO didnt work and is going F2P. SOE need to do something cos they cant be making much money from the die hard EQ/EQ2/Vanguard players.....will SOE survive?

I have no doubt they will but SoE's reputation, earned or not, is making it harder on them right now.  You did forget Planet Side 2 though it too will be F2P/cash shop.  SoE's major ace is Everquest Next.  Say what you want about SoE but they currently have more innovation in one title than other games do combined.  I have doubt all these features will be in EQN.

THere is nothing like vanguard out there today other than eq ( maybe eq2 ) and nothing coming out anytime soon. The only thing that may be in Vanguards niche would be 38 studios MMO, but I seriously doubt it, it will be more aimed to the mainstream MMO audience ( like tor and gw2 ).

I hold high hopes for 38 studio's, because of who's behind it. Started by a fan who wanted to make the game of his dreams.

 A labour of love I'm hoping

Originally posted by laserit

I hold high hopes for 38 studio's, because of who's behind it. Started by a fan who wanted to make the game of his dreams.

 

 A labour of love I'm hoping

Sounds a lot like MO.....and we all know how that turned out!