I never understood why fellow europeans changed to Telon.

Yeah OK - more people.

But also: BAD PING, for heavens sake.

And bad ping is just not acceptable for a game like Vanguard. For raiding, you just cant have a 0.5s ping delay. Thats a massive drop in dps and reaction time for the healers.

Well, i assume endgame and raiding do not matter much when you get bored half the way because you are playing a "solo game". Playing a mmo alone is boring and thus people flock to the most populated server, especially in a game with known population issues.

Err, as I said - people are moving back from Telon to Halgar, because of the ping issue. SOE allowed it, and thats great. We definitely see a population increase here and we heard a full raiding guild wants to move back to Halgar. That would already make two raiding guilds back on the european server.

I got 4 different groups this weekend on Halgar and ran into three different players at random. The later had not happened to me at all when I came back to Vanguard. Naturally I also did some solo stuff, theres always projects like that. Ok, granted - 2 of these groups have been with my guild.

Personally I dont see why I wouldnt raid in a game that has such great raiding. And of course the ping issue doesnt only make raiding impossible. It also is a big issue with normal adventuring, and its really hella annoying with crafting.

I transfered to Telon and my ping is between 150-250, not bad at all, afterall we are not playing a FPS game here.

Then you have a better ISP than some, because others have pings like 500 to Telon and thats frankly not tolerable any more.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Then you have a better ISP than some, because others have pings like 500 to Telon and thats frankly not tolerable any more.

in the UK here and my ping to Telon is 240ms usually most the time .... its fine. anything above 280 ms though i find in a mmo is not really viable..

Well - Vanguard is a very ping dependent game. So - you want to be top dps ? Then either play a DoT class like Necromancer, or have a good ping. Also, crafting at 500 ms is anything but fun, that will substantly slow you down.

Someone get me some playtime pls. :(

Originally posted by Torgrim

I transfered to Telon and my ping is between 150-250, not bad at all, afterall we are not playing a FPS game here.

 Yeah me too. I play from Norway (Northern Europe) and have about the same. No bad pings at all.

In Everquest II I play on the US server Antonia Bayle with an average ping of 200-350 and still I don't notice any negative effects.

Granted, when it goes beyond 500-600, then it becomes sertaintly noticable and game affecting. But not until then.

I already wrote everything to be said about this ... so yeah, if you just like to ignore my arguments, so be it.

What's it up to now? 4 people?. Last I checked there were two people on.... two..

one was me.

I'm not exaggerating ...two

22 people online on Halgar right now, so basicly just like playing a solo game and im not sure how long im going to stick it out. Im using my 45 free days now before they run out, but not sure if im going to play for the full 45 days if theres nobody else around. 22 players spread over a huge world like this makes it a single player game basicly.

Why should we hamstring our enjoyment of the game by playing on a dead server just for an extra 50ms? Seriously? We want to see an increase in the European playerbase as the game seems to slowly be finding its feet again with the recent Dev interest but you're going to tell new Euros to go and play on their own just so they won't get lag when they are eventually allowed to raid?

I'd like to see Halgar reborn but players need to enjoy the game not be bored to death.

Last weekend saw no further population increase, rather a decrease.

I didnt had much time to check, though.

Vanguard is made for high population. Maybe it's time for SoE to fix Vanguard after all these years?

LOL, what do you need fixed ? Vanguard is perfectly playable since end of 2007. Yeah sure there are a few errors here and there, but nothing gamebreaking.

Anyone crashing when creating new char on Telon (US)?

I tried creating a char at Halgar and the game client crashes when i try to log with that. If i log with an already created toon at HALGAR i have no problem.Same with creating and logging a new toon at  HALGAR (eu)

Anyone else have a clue?