Originally posted by allegria

If anyone is considering vanguard, try it for yourself. Get to level 15 with one of the signature classes ( bloodmage / bard / psionist / disciple or others ) and see what you think.

It is amazing the crap that is said on the internet and the way it effects our own reality. The Reality of recent game launches when compared to the Reality of vanguard... vanguard wins hands down.

 

graphics are nothing short of breathtaking.

Classes are fantastic and well designed

Crafting is a ton of fun, best crafting other than swg imo i have ever seen

Harvesting is even fun ( never thought i would say that )

Diplomacy is something i will be trying very soon as many say its fantastic.

 

Looking back, if you compare the Reality of vanguard to the Promise/Marketing of many recent launches ( aoc, war, aion, rift ), vanguard would be pushed aside. Well all those games are out, most of us have tried them and most of us have moved on. Coupled with a constant dumbing-down approach to the mmo-RPG space, Vanguard is now standing out like a gem.

Your right, both sides will lie or hide the true to make their opinion. Like the graphics. Sure, the world itself is stunning and most of the creatures you fight in it are interesting. But the player characters and the armor and weapons you equip look no better than decent, OK,or fair and thats being very generous. There is nothing beautiful or breathtaking about it.

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by allegria

If anyone is considering vanguard, try it for yourself. Get to level 15 with one of the signature classes ( bloodmage / bard / psionist / disciple or others ) and see what you think.

It is amazing the crap that is said on the internet and the way it effects our own reality. The Reality of recent game launches when compared to the Reality of vanguard... vanguard wins hands down.

 

graphics are nothing short of breathtaking.

Classes are fantastic and well designed

Crafting is a ton of fun, best crafting other than swg imo i have ever seen

Harvesting is even fun ( never thought i would say that )

Diplomacy is something i will be trying very soon as many say its fantastic.

 

Looking back, if you compare the Reality of vanguard to the Promise/Marketing of many recent launches ( aoc, war, aion, rift ), vanguard would be pushed aside. Well all those games are out, most of us have tried them and most of us have moved on. Coupled with a constant dumbing-down approach to the mmo-RPG space, Vanguard is now standing out like a gem.

Your right, both sides will lie or hide the true to make their opinion. Like the graphics. Sure, the world itself is stunning and most of the creatures you fight in it are interesting. But the player characters and the armor and weapons you equip look no better than decent, OK,or fair and thats being very generous. There is nothing beautiful or breathtaking about it.

It is not lying, it's called an opinion. Graphics are very user subjective. Some people will like a particular games gaphics and some won't. As far as VG, finding the "truth" is easy: play the free trial. 

First time I saw  Khal from that village you start in as I came down it was absolutely breathtaking.

If its really tru that Vanguard is getting more people then thats great, I really used to liked this game... just couldn't bring myself to give Smedley any money.

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by allegria

If anyone is considering vanguard, try it for yourself. Get to level 15 with one of the signature classes ( bloodmage / bard / psionist / disciple or others ) and see what you think.

It is amazing the crap that is said on the internet and the way it effects our own reality. The Reality of recent game launches when compared to the Reality of vanguard... vanguard wins hands down.

 

graphics are nothing short of breathtaking.

Classes are fantastic and well designed

Crafting is a ton of fun, best crafting other than swg imo i have ever seen

Harvesting is even fun ( never thought i would say that )

Diplomacy is something i will be trying very soon as many say its fantastic.

 

Looking back, if you compare the Reality of vanguard to the Promise/Marketing of many recent launches ( aoc, war, aion, rift ), vanguard would be pushed aside. Well all those games are out, most of us have tried them and most of us have moved on. Coupled with a constant dumbing-down approach to the mmo-RPG space, Vanguard is now standing out like a gem.

Your right, both sides will lie or hide the true to make their opinion. Like the graphics. Sure, the world itself is stunning and most of the creatures you fight in it are interesting. But the player characters and the armor and weapons you equip look no better than decent, OK,or fair and thats being very generous. There is nothing beautiful or breathtaking about it.

It is not lying, it's called an opinion. Graphics are very user subjective. Some people will like a particular games gaphics and some won't. As far as VG, finding the "truth" is easy: play the free trial. 

It is subjective... However, i happen to think Vanguards armor/weapon models are better than ANYTHING out there... The weak area is the character animations and physics.. but its really not that type of game ( RIFT - action MMO bs ). As far as landscape and world goes, I think that Vanguard is the undisputed winner there however, nothing really compares. 

Of course, Vanguard has a style, but to say the graphics are dated or not good is not accurate, its the more realistic style like eq/eq2/rift, not stylized like wow/tor etc.

Originally posted by allegria

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by allegria

If anyone is considering vanguard, try it for yourself. Get to level 15 with one of the signature classes ( bloodmage / bard / psionist / disciple or others ) and see what you think.

It is amazing the crap that is said on the internet and the way it effects our own reality. The Reality of recent game launches when compared to the Reality of vanguard... vanguard wins hands down.

 

graphics are nothing short of breathtaking.

Classes are fantastic and well designed

Crafting is a ton of fun, best crafting other than swg imo i have ever seen

Harvesting is even fun ( never thought i would say that )

Diplomacy is something i will be trying very soon as many say its fantastic.

 

Looking back, if you compare the Reality of vanguard to the Promise/Marketing of many recent launches ( aoc, war, aion, rift ), vanguard would be pushed aside. Well all those games are out, most of us have tried them and most of us have moved on. Coupled with a constant dumbing-down approach to the mmo-RPG space, Vanguard is now standing out like a gem.

Your right, both sides will lie or hide the true to make their opinion. Like the graphics. Sure, the world itself is stunning and most of the creatures you fight in it are interesting. But the player characters and the armor and weapons you equip look no better than decent, OK,or fair and thats being very generous. There is nothing beautiful or breathtaking about it.

It is not lying, it's called an opinion. Graphics are very user subjective. Some people will like a particular games gaphics and some won't. As far as VG, finding the "truth" is easy: play the free trial. 

It is subjective... However, i happen to think Vanguards armor/weapon models are better than ANYTHING out there... The weak area is the character animations and physics.. but its really not that type of game ( RIFT - action MMO bs ). As far as landscape and world goes, I think that Vanguard is the undisputed winner there however, nothing really compares. 

Of course, Vanguard has a style, but to say the graphics are dated or not good is not accurate, its the more realistic style like eq/eq2/rift, not stylized like wow/tor etc.

I happen to agree with you. However, I realize some people may find the graphics "dated" or "lacking". To each their own. 

Vanguard was so far ahead of its time in graphics that it is only now, almost 5 years on, starting to look dated compared to games like Rift or Aion or the games yet to be released. The physics and animations, as mentioned, are a bit disappointing but not bad. What is most impressive is the world. How it is laid out, how vast it is, how "real" it seems inspite of the simpler textures and fewer polygons on some items. Vanguard does a much better job, with a lot less in graphics power, creating a "real" world in its scope.

Do I want better graphics in Vanguard. Oh yes, please. But, in the end, if I have to choose between invisible walls and constricting terrain that funnels you to the next quest hub but with great graphical detail or a world of wide open spaces, huge cities and traversable mountains but less graphical detail when you get close, well. I choose the later. The imagination is much better at filling in gaps than it is filling in missing world.

Originally posted by VikingGamer

Vanguard was so far ahead of its time in graphics that it is only now, almost 5 years on, starting to look dated compared to games like Rift or Aion or the games yet to be released. The physics and animations, as mentioned, are a bit disappointing but not bad. What is most impressive is the world. How it is laid out, how vast it is, how "real" it seems inspite of the simpler textures and fewer polygons on some items. Vanguard does a much better job, with a lot less in graphics power, creating a "real" world in its scope.

Do I want better graphics in Vanguard. Oh yes, please. But, in the end, if I have to choose between invisible walls and constricting terrain that funnels you to the next quest hub but with great graphical detail or a world of wide open spaces, huge cities and traversable mountains but less graphical detail when you get close, well. I choose the later. The imagination is much better at filling in gaps than it is filling in missing world.

agree. The world takes the cake for sure and its not just "a pretty picture" even the towns/cities are designed so well i appreciate them quite a bit. ( as i did ironforge / stormwind /org all those years ago ).

The one thing vanguard needs the most ( techincally ) is the physics/animations.... It really feels "old" there.

Unlike EQ2 where this is kept on the 2 exchange servers here is the problem with Vanguard.

I liked it at one time as well until this hit. If it was on one server only or they had a special server for it then fine but as it stands now no thanks! I know people buy the exact same things from third party websites but most end up getting hacked anyway .

Having it available with no consequence or making it easier to allow others to do it

/Fail

Might as well allow or create bot programs for download on the vanguard website.

I play eq2 as of now and they have it for that game as well but limited to the real money servers.

Big difference.

My 2 cents.

https://exchange.livegamer.com/vanguard/

If I see SOE cares about it, I'll return, but first, I'll check what they are really doing, not what they are promising, becouse I don't trust SOE

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by allegria

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by allegria

If anyone is considering vanguard, try it for yourself. Get to level 15 with one of the signature classes ( bloodmage / bard / psionist / disciple or others ) and see what you think.

It is amazing the crap that is said on the internet and the way it effects our own reality. The Reality of recent game launches when compared to the Reality of vanguard... vanguard wins hands down.

 

graphics are nothing short of breathtaking.

Classes are fantastic and well designed

Crafting is a ton of fun, best crafting other than swg imo i have ever seen

Harvesting is even fun ( never thought i would say that )

Diplomacy is something i will be trying very soon as many say its fantastic.

 

Looking back, if you compare the Reality of vanguard to the Promise/Marketing of many recent launches ( aoc, war, aion, rift ), vanguard would be pushed aside. Well all those games are out, most of us have tried them and most of us have moved on. Coupled with a constant dumbing-down approach to the mmo-RPG space, Vanguard is now standing out like a gem.

Your right, both sides will lie or hide the true to make their opinion. Like the graphics. Sure, the world itself is stunning and most of the creatures you fight in it are interesting. But the player characters and the armor and weapons you equip look no better than decent, OK,or fair and thats being very generous. There is nothing beautiful or breathtaking about it.

It is not lying, it's called an opinion. Graphics are very user subjective. Some people will like a particular games gaphics and some won't. As far as VG, finding the "truth" is easy: play the free trial. 

It is subjective... However, i happen to think Vanguards armor/weapon models are better than ANYTHING out there... The weak area is the character animations and physics.. but its really not that type of game ( RIFT - action MMO bs ). As far as landscape and world goes, I think that Vanguard is the undisputed winner there however, nothing really compares. 

Of course, Vanguard has a style, but to say the graphics are dated or not good is not accurate, its the more realistic style like eq/eq2/rift, not stylized like wow/tor etc.

I happen to agree with you. However, I realize some people may find the graphics "dated" or "lacking". To each their own. 

Sure they say the graphics are outdated but how many recently games with one open world and no instances has better graphics?

I understand how they think but thier thoughts is somewhat missplaced.

Risen from the dead?

One patch and Vanguard is suddenly healthy population wise? 

I don't think so.

200 people on a server during peak times isnt a healthy population, you know it and I know it.

I get that you guys like this game but seriously a handful of new players and a few returned vets wanting to see a bug fix patch doesnt make the game suddenly alive and kicking...

This is like me jumping up and down over ryzom getting a patch and suddenly seeing ten dudes in the starting area...

It ultimately means nothing.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Honestly... Right this moment, as I type this.. I am tempted to re-up my account and start playing again.

I love Vanguard.

However... I don't trust SOE/Smedley.

Anything they do, they do because they see $$$$$ at the end of it. They don't things "for the players", they do it for their own wallets. They'll screw over their loyal players in a heartbeat if they think it'll make them more money.

That's not me "bashing on SOE". It's me stating a fact of history with that company. They've set that precedent.

So, in my mind.. I see them basically giving the game more attention, getting people interested and seeing how it pans out. Then, when they get enough people that it might actually stand on its own as a full sub-based MMO, they announce that VG is going F2P with a cash shop.

This sudden "interest in VG" they're displaying, after treating it like a red-headed stepchild for so long - seems a bit too conveniently timed with the announcement of SWG going offline.

They've got something up their sleeves. Smed's got $$$$ in his eyes with VG, and that's all they're looking at. Guaranteed.

That's the only thing keeping me from re-subbing. I don't want to invest my time into a game, just to have the rug pulled out and have it placed in a cash shop.

That said... I'd sincerely love to be proven wrong.

I got news for ya, ALL companies do it for this reason, it's why they exist.  I'm not picking up for SOE, we all know their past, but I sincerely doubt there are companies doing it for the Lulz.

Originally posted by Loke666

I think it is because SOE said that they actually are working on a new patch, that was a few weeks ago but it did give some people hope.

My SOE account is still screwed (no payment required and I can play all games for free), and after the SOE-hack incident I swore never to play a SOE game again. But if VG might be 'under construction' I might as well consider to make my return there. That is if Goddess of Destruction won't keep my interrest ;)

I'll keep an eye on the VG site for sure now! 

Originally posted by Z3R01

Risen from the dead?

One patch and Vanguard is suddenly healthy population wise? 

I don't think so.

200 people on a server during peak times isnt a healthy population, you know it and I know it.

I get that you guys like this game but seriously a handful of new players and a few returned vets wanting to see a bug fix patch doesnt make the game suddenly alive and kicking...

This is like me jumping up and down over ryzom getting a patch and suddenly seeing ten dudes in the starting area...

It ultimately means nothing.

I see people all over the starter area. I see people in quest hubs. I joined an active guild that consistently has 20-40 people on in the evening. I know that Vanguard has a small population but considering how other games push you into solo quest grinding to max level anyway, my experience here has not really been much different. So I can play a game that encourages grouping with a small population or I can play a game that essentially discourages grouping with a huge population. The results are really very similar in the end.

I am just not seeing the advantage to playing a game with a "healthy" population, if the game design tends to isolate you anyway.

Originally posted by Mardukk

I'm loving the $19.99 Station Pass.  I'm finding that the only games I still enjoy are EQ and VG.  And I'm also finding that Pirates of the Burning Sea is something quite different and interesting.

you just mentioned the three best games on the pass IMHO as well :)

Originally posted by VikingGamer

Originally posted by Z3R01

Risen from the dead?

One patch and Vanguard is suddenly healthy population wise? 

I don't think so.

200 people on a server during peak times isnt a healthy population, you know it and I know it.

I get that you guys like this game but seriously a handful of new players and a few returned vets wanting to see a bug fix patch doesnt make the game suddenly alive and kicking...

This is like me jumping up and down over ryzom getting a patch and suddenly seeing ten dudes in the starting area...

It ultimately means nothing.

I see people all over the starter area. I see people in quest hubs. I joined an active guild that consistently has 20-40 people on in the evening. I know that Vanguard has a small population but considering how other games push you into solo quest grinding to max level anyway, my experience here has not really been much different. So I can play a game that encourages grouping with a small population or I can play a game that essentially discourages grouping with a huge population. The results are really very similar in the end.

I am just not seeing the advantage to playing a game with a "healthy" population, if the game design tends to isolate you anyway.

QFT.

It is funny that for some of us including me playing all the new releases they all lack something and in many situations, it is lack of content ( especially concerning RIFT which i did like quite a bit ). Not sure why but many game these days are all about gear grind and they even shorten leveling to get you to that hampster wheel. I do not have a max character in vg, i have many highest being 48 and there is so much content I never even gave it a thought.

I have only seen probably 50% of the game ( adventuring areas ) thus far and I have come back go vg often. I expect to be gone for TOR for a while of course, only to retun again to the only game with enough content to warrant a return.

see you all in telon !

Originally posted by ActionMMORPG

Wise move.  It might pick up some of the SWG people.

Especially the SWG Customers with Staion Pass...They should try Vanguard out now before they decide to cancel...Even though I don't play it anymore, it is a great Game...And I would recommend it to anyone...