Hello,

     I am looking for a game with more to it. I am playing WoW right now. Love the game, but there is alot of it I dont like too. I played Vangaurd beta and at first release. But finally left because of all the bugs and lack of stuff. I am now wanting to find a game that has something more then WoW. I love to craft. I loved the crafting in this game. But my main questions, has it got better? Has it got enough people in it to have something to do? How is the economy? Can you make the money needed to buy and live?

 I love WoW because there is ton of people on and can find something to do. Hate the childish attend alot of those people have. And if I am going to be on a server by myself or only see someone once in a great great while then I might as well be playing Oblivion.

So should I come back or look at something like EQ2?

you arent gonna find a "ton of people" playing Vanguard or Everquest 2. yes you will more than likely go long stretches in EITHER game when you only see 1 or 2 other people (depending on what part of the world you're in).

Computer specs and Bugs.

I have two computers with Vanguard loaded on them. 

My home PC is loaded Windows 32 bit, dual core processor, 2 gigs of ram and a nevida 880gtx graphics card. 

My laptop is a off the shelf Windows 64 bit, dual core processor, 4 gigs of ram, and a gaming graphics card  (can't remember, what one ) never the less I payed $800 for it.

Both computers run Vanguard equally the same, No difference at all.  Some hitching in larger cities, and some hitching when I rift to a different zone.  Often I see monsters stuck in rocks and trees. Kind of like WoW on occasion but Vanguard more often than WoW.  Some times after loading the game I have to re-arrange my action bar, map, and chat box. This type of stuff is the same on both computers. Now just yesterday all my mouse related functions went hay wire, and had to uninstall, and re-download the game on my home computer.  By now your thinking all this stuff is nasty, right ?.......Well its not bad at all, Other than the mouse problem it really really is not that bad at all. I'm just really digging deep to tell you the bad parts. Just picking.

Fun

Yes fun, I played all mmo's and Vanguard is deeper than anyone I had played.

Population

The Trial Island is packed with people.  After that the lower level areas are packed also, around level 15 it drops a lot. i was thinking just yesterday about not re-subing because of the lower population, but people on MMORPG.COM told me about a Guild on Shardon called " nooberific " that has a lot of new players in it.  Well yes, this guild is packed with most all the new players, and were having fun, so yes I'll re-sub.

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

 

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

Or maybe they did know something about what they had planned for MxO when they decided (apperantly) to not implement Livegamer into MxO.

As the opposite was made for Vanguard, what did SOE know that we don't? What you are trying to say could aswell mean that Vanguard is way better of then what MxO is and was.

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If the OP played VG at release chances are the he still have 10 days left of the account reactivation.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

 

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

 

Or maybe they did know something about what they had planned for MxO when they decided (apperantly) to not implement Livegamer into MxO.

As the opposite was made for Vanguard, what did SOE know that we don't? What you are trying to say could aswell mean that Vanguard is way better of then what MxO is and was.

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If the OP played VG at release chances are the he still have 10 days left of the account reactivation.

I cant argue with you on that Orphes , my friend. Vanguard IS way better than MxO. its like winning a gold medal in the special Olympics you may have won but you're still a retard.

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

 

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

 

Or maybe they did know something about what they had planned for MxO when they decided (apperantly) to not implement Livegamer into MxO.

As the opposite was made for Vanguard, what did SOE know that we don't? What you are trying to say could aswell mean that Vanguard is way better of then what MxO is and was.

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If the OP played VG at release chances are the he still have 10 days left of the account reactivation.

 

I cant argue with you on that Orphes , my friend. Vanguard IS way better than MxO. its like winning a gold medal in the special Olympics you may have won but you're still a retard.

Yeah, original. Come up with something witty and smart instead.

I am stuck at work (lol ) I cant play at the moment and YES i am plugging this game.. I wish people would try the new ISLE in vanguard... start fresh and get a new point of view.... I wish that THIS was the GRAND opening for this game and people would give it a go like they pushed AoC on us (waste of money)

TRY Vanguard out with fresh eyes... even at its lowest setting this game LOOKS great!!!  it plays great.. it has depth!!

you CANT lvl to max in a month or even 2 months  etc etc etc...  you will NEVER run out of things to do.. crafting and diplomacy are like total huge games by themselves... 

I wish THIS was the day this game came out and you ALL got a chance to try it..   I know it has high standards for graphics.. but its the most VAST mmo world you have EVER seen...   this wont appeal to everyone for they like easier games..    and a game doesnt have to have millions of people to make it the BEST so called MMo..   try the isle of dawn   i beleive its free to try.. what ahve you got to lose..   Kwosh

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

 

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

Hahaha... you can keep telling yourself that, but it doesn't make it any less absurd.  It's no wonder why a ton of people who play MMORPG's hate $OE.  First the fubar with NGE on SWG (Lucas Arts had their hands in that as well), then attempting to put RMT (Livegamer) on ALL servers on EQ2 but going back on it after an outcry from their customer base.  And, finally, adding Livegamer to ALL of VG's servers WITHOUT asking their customer base before hand.  They did this cause they knew there would be an outcry just like with EQ2.  They learned a lesson.... just the completely wrong one. 

RMT equals the death of MMORPG's when it's included with a subscription plan and has items for sale that affect gameplay.  It ruins any games' economy when implemented due to that.  Especially with VG's system... yay, buying player-made or dropped gear for real money.  Or, selling in-game plat for real money.  Yep, adding an outgame source of transactions into an ingame economy = bye bye ingame economy.  And, if you believe otherwise, you really need to go take a couple of economics courses.

The outcry on this forum, vnboards, and VG's official forums due to implementing LiveGamer was astronomical.  Of course, you can't see majority of them on VG's official forums as they were "silenced".  So, just keep on telling yourself that "LiveGamer helped Vanguard"... and live in your land of non-reality.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Was in the same boat, beginning to wonder if they still made MMOs with depth to them.  All the new games seem to get simpler and simpler.  VG has the deepest game play of any mmo I have tried and I have played a lot of them.

Regarding pop...obviously it is small.  That being said, I have had no problems finding groups do to stuff up to level 28.  An advantage to a smaller community is that people seem a lot nicer and and willing to help.  Best community I have been a part of in a long time.

 

The pop would've been a bit bigger if $OE didn't lie to their own playerbase and implement RMT on all of the Vanguard servers via LiveGamer.  They stated they weren't going to do RMT on Vanguard at all, then turn around and do it on all of the servers without asking the playerbase about it before.  But, all $OE cares about is the almighty $ rather than their own customer satisfaction.

 

RMT is the only reason Vanguard didnt follow MxO out the door.

Hahaha... you can keep telling yourself that, but it doesn't make it any less absurd.  It's no wonder why a ton of people who play MMORPG's hate $OE.  First the fubar with NGE on SWG (Lucas Arts had their hands in that as well), then attempting to put RMT (Livegamer) on ALL servers on EQ2 but going back on it after an outcry from their customer base.  And, finally, adding Livegamer to ALL of VG's servers WITHOUT asking their customer base before hand.  They did this cause they knew there would be an outcry just like with EQ2.  They learned a lesson.... just the completely wrong one. 

RMT equals the death of MMORPG's when it's included with a subscription plan and has items for sale that affect gameplay.  It ruins any games' economy when implemented due to that.  Especially with VG's system... yay, buying player-made or dropped gear for real money.  Or, selling in-game plat for real money.  Yep, adding an outgame source of transactions into an ingame economy = bye bye ingame economy.  And, if you believe otherwise, you really need to go take a couple of economics courses.

The outcry on this forum, vnboards, and VG's official forums due to implementing LiveGamer was astronomical.  Of course, you can't see majority of them on VG's official forums as they were "silenced".  So, just keep on telling yourself that "LiveGamer helped Vanguard"... and live in your land of non-reality.

I don't think it helped vanguard and I'm sure it hurt the game some.  I know people that left the game because of it.  However it didn't have any impact on the game or the game economy so people that got all twisted up about it and left really had nothing to worry about.  Fact is live gamer made no difference at all other then perhaps giving VG a small additional source of revenue.

I'm thinking however that this kinda stuff is gonna become the norm in games as enforcing a policy to prevent this is costly and doesn't prevent it but creates a lot of support costs.  Supporting it removes fraud and support costs and provides some revenue.  This and cash shops are probably gonna be the future of MMO games...

Guess I'll chime in here a little bit. VG has the idea of being a deep MMO, and it does up until level 45. After that it loses its creativity and drops the grind bomb on every piece of content it touches. So far most people who enjoy the game are up until the SoD, BoD, PotA content.

So if you enjoy the game now and you're in your low-mid levels, you're at the juicy point of the game. But just forewarning you now that once you get higher level, sometimes you'll wish you didn't.

Actually I know a lot of endgame content that is really good, too.

The raiddungeon APW is certainly a full success for me. Challenging, but rewarding.

The Griffon questline is very challenging ... and a bit overdone, IMHO. Seriously, if you need a full raid force for buffs to stand a chance it starts getting annoying. If you can spend weeks with killing a single mob that you have to spawn first too its no fun either.

The overland bosses are not as awful as Griffons, though you of course need best gear for them first.

I dont know about PotA yet ... I simply didnt found the time for it. So far it sounds like a challenge too.

My rating of SoD went up drastically recently. You get the (&"&!! IoD charm now with 500 faction, which is like 3 days or so of doing the quests, and after that you can either do it or not, its pretty much free choice.

Originally posted by Adamantine

Actually I know a lot of endgame content that is really good, too.

The raiddungeon APW is certainly a full success for me. Challenging, but rewarding.

The Griffon questline is very challenging ... and a bit overdone, IMHO. Seriously, if you need a full raid force for buffs to stand a chance it starts getting annoying. If you can spend weeks with killing a single mob that you have to spawn first too its no fun either.

The overland bosses are not as awful as Griffons, though you of course need best gear for them first.

I dont know about PotA yet ... I simply didnt found the time for it. So far it sounds like a challenge too.

My rating of SoD went up drastically recently. You get the (&"&!! IoD charm now with 500 faction, which is like 3 days or so of doing the quests, and after that you can either do it or not, its pretty much free choice.

 

APW was a success. But news flash, one raid dungeon does not equate to 2 years worth of content. We are coming up on 2 years and only one raid dungeon. Even on a casual basis that's unacceptable for a game with so much "potential". I don't believe anyone counted APW to be bad content. It took 8 months of testing, it better be good. The griffon questline was the LAST bit of good content that the game has recieve. Unique quests, fights, the whole nine, the questline had it, and best of all, a good reward in the end.

The overland bosses Jagund, Prime, Nerksawl are all cookie cutter but nonetheless they are available. Dresla is a test of your dps (ala Exalted). Fengrot is the stepping stone for guilds who think they want to go "big-time" only to get crushed by the 24 man content.

SoD rating goes up? Man you need to log in and get a whiff of air that VG has atm surroudning SoD. The content there is bad. I'm sorry but this is 2009 ladies and gentlemen, faction grinding for weeks and weeks on end is NOT GOOD CONTENT. This may have been acceptable 10 years ago but now, its not. Now having a good time with your guildies is one thing, I never count that out. But killing the same mobs over and over and over (rinse and repeat x1000 times) is not fun in my book atleast.

And you get the charm yes at 500 faction but its weak as anything. And mind you it took them almost a year to change with the boards bursting in flames about it. And also the first 3 people who completed it don't even play the game anymore because it was an underwhelming reward for the work.

This is not a flame, this is just saying the content VG is releasing is the level of a F2P MMO. It sucks they are covering good content (lvl 1 - 45) with such garbage now. PotA? Don't get me started, as one of the first folks on Tier 3, you aren't missing anything at all...at all.